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One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
Some people just can't admit Einstein has made poor trades in his time with the Cubs. Or bad signings.
LaStella might prove to be another blunder. He was a give away with nothing in return.
Davish
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I’ve watched that a few times. I’m not sure I’ve seen a harder hit ball at Wrigley. Hill obviously going on top of the rooftop, Will Clark grand slam off Maddux in the 89 NLCS, many others in there too(Sosa, Dawson, etc....) Man did Rizzo destroy that ball
Under the circumstances, yes. The goal was to win immediately and the Cubs knew they needed a closer to win it all. Look how good they’ve been the last few years and came up short. Looking back, Im glad they made the trade because without Chapman, we’re talking about the 110 year curse. It may only be 1 ring but there’s no guarantee they’ll win another one anytime soon. I believe they will, but baseball is a game of inches with lots of strange bounces.One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
Some people just can't admit Einstein has made poor trades in his time with the Cubs. Or bad signings.
LaStella might prove to be another blunder. He was a give away with nothing in return.
Davish
Glayber is batting .250 with 2 HRs/11 RBIs vs teams not named the Orioles this year. Let's slow down on the better than Baez (2nd in MVP voting last year) a bit.
And yes, you make that trade every day of the week (twice on Sundays).
I guess I'm not surprised that a franchise starved for titles would take that view.
Many organizations wouldn't take that approach, imo. Boston/LAD/Yanks wouldn't. For the Cubs, that approach tells me they don't expect to keep their core group.. Bryant/RizzoBaez together.
So enjoy your limited time in the spotlight.
Last year, the Dodgers traded 5 players for Machado. They traded 3 more players for Brian Dozier. Got them back to the World Series, but didn't get them the victory.
The Yankees traded 3 players for Zach Britton last year. They traded 2 players for Lance Lynn.
In 2016, the Red Sox traded 4 players for Craig Kimbrel.
One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
Some people just can't admit Einstein has made poor trades in his time with the Cubs. Or bad signings.
LaStella might prove to be another blunder. He was a give away with nothing in return.
Davish
Theo has made several horrible decisions but the Chapman/Torres deal isn’t one of them. I have yet to meet a Cubs fan who is against it. They don’t win a WS without Chapman. The price was high but it was necessary.
Now, looking back, it probably would have been better to send Schwarber instead of Torres but whatever. The deal still resulted in a championship and that’s all I care about.
Also. Baez > Torres.
What position would you be penciling in Torres for on the Cubs today if you were the manager? A deal was made in 2016 with an infield fully under control for several years. The Cubs have a supremely talented middle infielder in Nico Hoerner at AA (Unfortunately rehabbing from an injury), but he will be ready in a year or two when a spot opens up.One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
Some people just can't admit Einstein has made poor trades in his time with the Cubs. Or bad signings.
LaStella might prove to be another blunder. He was a give away with nothing in return.
Davish
Nobody knew how things would shake out with Russell, but Epstein made an easy trade in moving Torres when he had an infield of Bryant, Baez, Russell, and Rizzo to send out for five years.
One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good, or better than Baez over his career?
Sure, you would.
Some people just can't admit Einstein has made poor trades in his time with the Cubs. Or bad signings.
LaStella might prove to be another blunder. He was a give away with nothing in return.
Davish
One ring in exchange for a guy that is 22 with the strong chance he's as good or better than Baez over his career? Yes, yes I would.
The Cubs have had a lot of HOFers who never won a ring. I've seen great players come through Chicago. What I hadn't seen was a ring. And you're trolling with the Baez comments right now. He has a ton of potential, but at some point he's going to have to produce against someone other than the Orioles (see tweet above about his splits) before we put him on that level. In any case, if Baez continues current trajectory, any delta between him and a Torres who reaches full potential is still worth winning in 2016.
Epstein isn't without his warts, but I really would make that Torres deal again. I'm not that concerned about the La Stella thing, either. Good for Tommy that he's had a chance to play more and has produced. We'll see if he can keep this up.....but La Stella was not a guy you were going to get much of anything for in the offseason and I still contend that Descalso made more sense for the team than La Stella did given the continued presence of Russell and his suspension plus Zobrist's age.
The reality is that both because of and in spite of Epsteins moves and non-moves, this is a really good baseball team.
In retrospect, maybe, but I could also argue that Schwarber was pretty important in that WS run, too....and who knows if the Yanks would have taken Schwarber mid-season while rehabbing a torn ACL.
Not really. In all three of your examples... those three teams did not trade anyone of relevance and certainly no one the caliber of Gleyber.
Someone got owned, but it sure as hell wasn't me.
Try again.
Yikes. There is no way in hell the Yanks would take someone as limited as KS. They have a team full of DHs right now.
The biggest reason Einstein has made these poor trades/signings is that the cupboard is bare in the farm system(per fans on this thread) and he's got such a small window of success with the three big guns reaching free agency at about the same time. If he signs all three... hands will be tied for years to come.
Theo has a much bigger problem. Lester has a year or two left. Hamels is 35/36. Quintana is average. That leaves Hendricks. Darvish? LOL
Cubs don't have the bright future some here hope or expect for.
Dream on ladies until the farm system reloads.
I have no idea who was interested. You're missing the point.
Einstein pretty much gave TLS away for free. It will be funny as hell if TLS makes the All Star game and Russell is trade bait in July.
Wow you are wrong again!
For Kimbrel, Manual Margot was the 25th ranked prospect in baseball. They also gave up Javy Guerra who was 76th in the top 100 at the time of trade. Funny, that Logan Allen will probably have the best MLB career of either and he was the throw in.
Torres was the 29 ranked prospect.
Link: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015\
Would you rather discuss how Boston traded Anderson Espinoza, the 13th best prospect in baseball at the time, for Drew freaking Pomeranz?
You are evading the point. Nobody was giving up anything for TLS. That is why you can't offer up any names or teams who might have given Theo a nice lock down closer in exchange for a journeyman utility guy who only played one position passably.
He had a 1.16 ERA going into his last start vs Wash. That wasn't going to last. Regression to the mean.
Yup he will end the year with a 3.00 and 15 wins
the cubs have almost 80 million in salary coming off the books after this year, im thinking they can sign a pitcher or two.
"Fun" fact about J.T. Realmuto that not every one knows. He comes from the Smith wrestling family of Oklahoma. John Smith is his uncle, and former Hawkeye wrestler Mark Perry is his first cousin.
The Phillies are leaving ... to Milwaukee. The Cubs are staying ... to play Cincinnati.
You know Theo traded Daniel Vogelbach (14 HRs this year) too. Why do you think he did that?
The Phillies are leaving ... to Milwaukee. The Cubs are staying ... to play Cincinnati.
Thats why i put it in quotes. Its a phrased used to describe games like this. Doesnt mean literally they are getting out of town. Last game of the series, day game, one team/ umpires trying to get out of town, etc
Only so much you can do when your infield is throwing the ball around. Only 4 earned runs
He gets to use full hindsight to prove that he's smarter than Theo was in the moment. At the point of the deal in 2016, Torres was highly regarded but was in low minors and looking potentially blocked by Russell and Baez. We had no idea of Russell's issues to come. We had no idea whether Torres would pan out. Look at any snapshot in time top 50 prospects and most of the time 35 of them won't become all-stars and a solid 10+ will never stick in the bigs. There was no way of knowing whether Torres would be a star or the next Corey Patterson/Felix Pie. All Theo knew was that he needed a closer and Chapman was the best one on the market.
With TLS, Mitch gets to point to current stats and say the Cubs got fleeced. There's literally nothing about La Stella's career that pointed to this power surge. The Cubs were going to get nothing for La Stella. It also wouldn't surprise me at all to see La Stella have this start and finish with only 16-17 HRs for the season.
Theo actually has a pretty good trade history. They haven't all worked out perfectly (what GM can say his has), but many of them have. Rizzo, Chapman, Hendricks, Montero, Fowler, La Stella, Russell, Edwards, Strop, Arrieta, Wade Davis and Montgomery were all acquired via trade since Theo came on. Looking back, there haven't been many bad trades.....though like every team, a lot of irrelevant ones. I would say the worst trade so far has been DJ LeMahieu for Ian Stewart. My god what a terrible deal that has turned out to be. After that, I'll probably go with Eloy & Cease for Quintana. The problem here is really more that the Cubs A) overpaid to some extent and B) that the Cubs were forced into the deal because of their complete inability to develop young pitching. Quintana has been fine overall. Not a star, not an ace, but he's been a constant presence in the Cub rotation and has had stretches that were really good and he's having a good season so far this year.....but Eloy looks every bit the future superstar the Cubs thought he was and Cease is probably the best young pitcher Theo has had here in Chicago.
Or sometimes you have a bad day. Or sometimes the other team gets paid to play, too. Maybe they'll battle back in this one, maybe they won't, but they are currently 14-6 in May. I'm not going to freak out.
They may have started too late, but dam if this lineup doesn't just keep coming at you.
