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bagdropper said:
All one has to do is look what's happened to St. Louis since he left and what's happened to Houston since he arrived.

St. Louis actually drafts and develops reasonably well - they're still good at developing "major league players". They simply do not draft enough high end stars.

Of course, perpetually drafting roughly 18 and below doesn't help. That's the ultimate test...can you keep the pipeline full drafting at the bottom of the order always.

Luhnow...it will be interesting to see the Astros say 5 years from now. They'll probably still be a good to great team all those years...let's see what happens when he's drafting 25-30 long term to see how good he really is.
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Don't the turds get more money for int't draft and what not too? That is based only on market size isn't it? And how do those clowns spend top 5/10 money and still get extra draft picks? That is nuts!


All I know if that theo sure looks like less of a god each of the past 3 years :(
 
HawkAttackDial911 said:
Yikes, some of you forget how mediocre Kimbrel was the second half of last year. The Cubs could be jumping into a Morrow situation or just plain getting a mediocre pitcher who blows quite a few saves.
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Mediocre Kimbrel is better than what we have now. We need at least two, maybe even three, solid arms to add to this pen. Dream scenario would be to get Strop and Morrow back healthy. Add Kimbrel and add another stud via trade.
 
MuscoHawk said:
Mediocre Kimbrel is better than what we have now. We need at least two, maybe even three, solid arms to add to this pen. Dream scenario would be to get Strop and Morrow back healthy. Add Kimbrel and add another stud via trade.
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OMG! Strop and Morrow when healthy are average, at the absolute best. I'm amazed how little Cubs fans know about what a top shelf closer looks like.

Low expectations, I guess.

BTW: Hope the Cubs have the lead late in this game. It'll be entertaining what garbage Brainiac Maddon trots out there to close this one out.

Maybe Caratini? Theo should have kept Wade Davis, regardless of any issues.
 
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hawkifann said:
You have a really bizarre setting for what "average" is in baseball.
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I've been watching MLB for 50+ years. I don't need "analytics" to see the difference between mediocre and above average. It's part of the reason why mediocre players can sign an unreasonably, huge contract for multiple years after they have one or two really good seasons. Then... when they sink back to normal... you see contracts like Hayward and Yu.

Theo isn't the only fool. Hell, Cashman signed Jacoby Freaking Ellsbury the same way.

Some clown recently proclaimed what A-Rod said... the PED using/drug abusing POS, as a source to puff up Contreras. Contreras may very well be the best catcher in MLB right now. But, as a group, catcher is the worst position group in MLB... and it's not even close. So being the AStar catcher needs a huge asterisk. Contreras is the very definition of average. Most others are "serviceable" at his position.
 
MitchLL said:
OMG! Strop and Morrow when healthy are average, at the absolute best. I'm amazed how little Cubs fans know about what a top shelf closer looks like.
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You serious?

Strop is one of the best relievers in Cubs history.

Morrow had a 1.47 ERA and was 22/24 SV/SVO before the injury in 2018.
 
MuscoHawk said:
You serious?

Strop is one of the best relievers in Cubs history.

Morrow had a 1.47 ERA and was 22/24 SV/SVO before the injury in 2018.
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Morrow... 3.96 career ERA. No thanks. That's horrible for a closer.

Try again and put a little effort in your next response.
 
MitchLL said:
Some clown recently proclaimed what A-Rod said... the PED using/drug abusing POS, as a source to puff up Contreras. Contreras may very well be the best catcher in MLB right now.
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The clown was me, and ARod is right. Contreras has the highest average, OBP, slug, OPS, most HR and RBI amongst catchers this season.

Let me guess... he’s average?
 
MuscoHawk said:
Try to address what I actually said.
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You pick out a selective time frame to make a very weak point. LOfreakingL.

One year doesn't mean anything to baseball executives and knowledgeable fans. I wouldn't want either Strop or Morrow anywhere near a Yankee bullpen.

I'm asking you nicely... try again?
 
MitchLL said:
You pick out a selective time frame to make a very weak point. LOfreakingL.

One year doesn't mean anything to baseball executives and knowledgeable fans. I wouldn't want either Strop or Morrow anywhere near a Yankee bullpen.

I'm asking you nicely... try again?
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Strop’s track record as a Cub speaks for itself. It’s not arguable—he’s one of the best relievers in franchise history.

Morrow has only been healthy as a Cub for a half season but during that time he was nails.

If these two come back healthy, and Theo can land 2 more arms, the bullpen should be fine.
 
MuscoHawk said:
The clown was me, and ARod is right. Contreras has the highest average, OBP, slug, OPS, most HR and RBI amongst catchers this season.

Let me guess... he’s average?
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I'll give you free advice and info about stats for most catchers 60 games into a season... when the heat of summer and the wear of a season gets to them... those stat averages will take a severe hit.

Reread post #2372. Catcher is the worst position group in MLB.
 
MitchLL said:
I'll give you free advice and info about stats for most catchers 60 games into a season... when the heat of summer and the wear of a season gets to them... those stat averages will take a severe hit.

Reread post #2372. Catcher is the worst position group in MLB.
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So, therefore there are no good catchers? Only average players? Good to know.
 
MitchLL said:
Morrow... 3.96 career ERA. No thanks. That's horrible for a closer.

Try again and put a little effort in your next response.
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How is his career ERA, which mostly is a result of his innings as a starter, relevant to his ability to close?

I would hope a guy who’s watched baseball for 50 years would understand the vast majority of closers are failed starting pitchers.
 
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claykenny said:
@MitchLL is either an idiot or a troll. He’s put himself in the 50+ age group, so I’m going to lean toward idiot.
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I've probably forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know.
claykenny said:
How is his career ERA, which mostly is a result of his innings as a starter, relevant to his ability to close?

I would hope a guy who’s watched baseball for 50 years would understand the vast majority of closers are failed starting pitchers.
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Link that says the vast majority of closers are failed starting pitchers?

I'll hang up and listen. Stop pulling stupid shit out of your ass.

BTW: Cubs win one of three vs Astros. Congrats, I guess.
 
MitchLL said:
I've probably forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know.

Link that says the vast majority of closers are failed starting pitchers?

I'll hang up and listen. Stop pulling stupid shit out of your ass.

BTW: Cubs win one of three vs Astros. Congrats, I guess.
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Did you know Mariano Rivera started 10 games in 1995. He had a 5.51 ERA. He never started another game again. :)
 
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HawkRugged17 said:
Here you go ... :) And for Mitch, also include Wade Davis as a failed starter. And Dellin Betances and Zach Britton.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1650473-10-best-failed-starters-in-mlb-history#slide10
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That's an impressive list. But like so many of the Cub's fans posting here... it's a futile effort of "cherry picking".

His statement/claim was that the "vast majority" of closers were failed starting pitchers. That list doesn't even remotely back that claim.

While his claim hasn't been proven correct, neither can I prove it's incorrect. So we might agree to disagree.

I get it. Cub's fans have a hard time blaming Einstein for the bullpen failures. He's gotten a pass because the Cubs won the 2016 WS.

The excuses never end. Bad luck and injuries are a part of baseball. But failing to fix the problem because it might prove you can't develop pitching or you drained the farm system isn't the solution. Theo doesn't have the trade pieces to get someone. Sign CK and put the other guys in setup roles where they can be successful. Screw around too long and teams like Philly/Atl/TB will beat you to the punch.
 
MitchLL said:
That's an impressive list. But like so many of the Cub's fans posting here... it's a futile effort of "cherry picking".

His statement/claim was that the "vast majority" of closers were failed starting pitchers. That list doesn't even remotely back that claim.

While his claim hasn't been proven correct, neither can I prove it's incorrect. So we might agree to disagree.

I get it. Cub's fans have a hard time blaming Einstein for the bullpen failures. He's gotten a pass because the Cubs won the 2016 WS.

The excuses never end. Bad luck and injuries are a part of baseball. But failing to fix the problem because it might prove you can't develop pitching or you drained the farm system isn't the solution. Theo doesn't have the trade pieces to get someone. Sign CK and put the other guys in setup roles where they can be successful. Screw around too long and teams like Philly/Atl/TB will beat you to the punch.
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When is the cut off for determining ‘failed starter’? A? AA? College? It would help clarify the situation. It was interesting to listen to the national broadcasters take shots at the overall quality of the American League last night.
 
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