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*****Official Cubs 2023 thread*****

Wow, Correa to the Mets.

I’d call the Mets first thing in the morning and say they would take McCann’s contract if the Mets added Baty to the deal. Baty’s path is now blocked.
Cohen might be a crazy rich dude who desperately wants a WS ring, but even he needs to think about the luxury tax. The Cubs could really help him out. However, he is the guy who wouldn't deal for Willson Contreras because he was butt hurt over losing PCA in the Baez deal.
 
I guess you could say his time in SF was a short-stop.

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Wow, Correa to the Mets.

I’d call the Mets first thing in the morning and say they would take McCann’s contract if the Mets added Baty to the deal. Baty’s path is now blocked.
I would be surprised if the Mets do anything with the Cubs anytime soon after the Baez/PCA trade.
 
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They don’t need McCann, they need his salary off the books. The Cubs can absorb his salary and they need a catcher. Baty has zero future, unless there is an injury, with the Mets. In this case, I think the PCA deal would quickly be forgotten if the Cubs take McCann.
 
I would be surprised if the Mets do anything with the Cubs anytime soon after the Baez/PCA trade.
That just seems dumb. It’s not like the Cubs did anything unethical. Hell, PCA hasn’t even seen a pitch at AA yet. At the time of the deal, PCA was a guy in his first year of pro ball and only played a short stretch before getting hurt for the year. He broke out last year, but that wasn’t some guarantee. When you deal prospects, sometimes they hit and sometimes they don’t.
 
That just seems dumb. It’s not like the Cubs did anything unethical. Hell, PCA hasn’t even seen a pitch at AA yet. At the time of the deal, PCA was a guy in his first year of pro ball and only played a short stretch before getting hurt for the year. He broke out last year, but that wasn’t some guarantee. When you deal prospects, sometimes they hit and sometimes they don’t.
He was injured, too.
 
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As a Cubs fan...why?

Two of them guarantee the Cubs never finish lower than third.
They are not putting out a MLB product, and they are taking revenue sharing from the other clubs. The Rays have a tiny payroll but try, and succeed. The other clubs are not trying. Force the owners to sell. Move the clubs. F the owner of the A’s. He is brutally tanking and trying to get a publicly financed stadium in Oakland, or a new city.
 
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Cohen might be a crazy rich dude who desperately wants a WS ring, but even he needs to think about the luxury tax. The Cubs could really help him out. However, he is the guy who wouldn't deal for Willson Contreras because he was butt hurt over losing PCA in the Baez deal.
Why? I posted in another thread maybe he just said F it, 100MM is chump change. Look around the league, especially at the 6 big market teams. Who's spending...the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees, and to a lesser extent the Angels. Who's not spending? The Cubs and the worthless southsiders. The luxury tax is supposed to be a deterrent to these teams but it isn't. Unless you are the Cubs.
 
Why? I posted in another thread maybe he just said F it, 100MM is chump change. Look around the league, especially at the 6 big market teams. Who's spending...the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees, and to a lesser extent the Angels. Who's not spending? The Cubs and the worthless southsiders. The luxury tax is supposed to be a deterrent to these teams but it isn't. Unless you are the Cubs.
There are escalators in the tax. It gets worse the more you go over the top mark. 100 percent I’m not on all the details, but paring of $20-30 million helps the Mets out a lot.
 
There are escalators in the tax. It gets worse the more you go over the top mark. 100 percent I’m not on all the details, but paring of $20-30 million helps the Mets out a lot.
I guess my point is that the Mets said **** the luxury tax, we're all in. Cubs should learn this but they have the cheap ass Ricketts who are stealing money from blind Cubs fans.
 
I guess my point is that the Mets said **** the luxury tax, we're all in. Cubs should learn this but they have the cheap ass Ricketts who are stealing money from blind Cubs fans.
Well, in fairness, whether it’s believable or not, there have been stories out there that the Mets are going to operate at a multi-hundred million dollar loss this year. Cohen doesn’t care because he’s a many-time bajillionaire, but I’m not going to set the expectation that the baseball side should be obligated to operate at a hundred million dollar loss.

Cubs have gone cheap in 2021 and 2022. They were the #2/#3 payroll in baseball in 2019 (depending on whether you use true spend or the CBT calculation) The Cubs have been over the CBT several times under Ricketts, so to just say they’re cheap-ass and never spend is simply false.
 
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I guess my point is that the Mets said **** the luxury tax, we're all in. Cubs should learn this but they have the cheap ass Ricketts who are stealing money from blind Cubs fans.
I get some of the sentiment, but some of the contracts being signed are stupid bad, and will hamstring teams for years to come.
 
I get some of the sentiment, but some of the contracts being signed are stupid bad, and will hamstring teams for years to come.
If you’re owned by a billionaire who sees the team as a toy (Cuban, George Steinbrenner), then maybe it doesn’t matter. He might just be willing to eat losses and spend past. That’s just not going to be a realistic expectation for most teams. I don’t expect owners to do that, I just expect them to compete. About 8-10 owners aren’t even trying. The top half+ of baseball is competing.
 
If you’re owned by a billionaire who sees the team as a toy (Cuban, George Steinbrenner), then maybe it doesn’t matter. He might just be willing to eat losses and spend past. That’s just not going to be a realistic expectation for most teams. I don’t expect owners to do that, I just expect them to compete. About 8-10 owners aren’t even trying. The top half+ of baseball is competing.
The Angels are a good example of an owner who spent stupidly, won nothing, wasted a once in a generation player, and now has an organization in shambles.
 
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The Angels are a good example of an owner who spent stupidly, won nothing, wasted a once in a generation player, and now have an organization in shambles.
Wasting 2 generational talents, though one won't be there much longer.
 
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That just seems dumb. It’s not like the Cubs did anything unethical. Hell, PCA hasn’t even seen a pitch at AA yet. At the time of the deal, PCA was a guy in his first year of pro ball and only played a short stretch before getting hurt for the year. He broke out last year, but that wasn’t some guarantee. When you deal prospects, sometimes they hit and sometimes they don’t.
I agree that it's dumb, I have just heard that Cohen and other Mets brass were upset with how things turned out in the deal. Cohen has bigger issues right now hoping that all his signings pan out and brings a few rings to the Mets. Otherwise he is toast.
 
Shohei to the Cubs!

Would love it, but the Dodgers are the ones getting ready for Ohtani. Most of their signings (like JD Martinez) are one year deals and they are letting guys like Bellinger and Turner go. They are clearing the decks for a big move ...

 
It’s been talked about at several places that he will get $50+/year. I will just say it now, the Cubs have less than a 1% chance to get him.
 
Looks like the Cubs are signing Tucker Barnhart as their other catcher. Didn't have a great year last year but was pretty decent with the Reds before that. I'm guessing we like the way he calls games, works with the pitchers, etc, and can hopefully get back to a league average bat (for a catcher).
 
It’s been talked about at several places that he will get $50+/year. I will just say it now, the Cubs have less than a 1% chance to get him.
I don‘t really get the “less than a 1% chance“ thing. If they’re willing to play in that contract space, they’ll have a chance. We just heard Swanson talk about the pitch the Cubs made to show him that they’re serious about winning. We’ve heard that before when the Cubs are seriously after a guy. The Cubs were a team Shohei liked the first time around.

If the Cubs are serious about building this thing and they’re serious about making a real play for Shohei (10/$500M or more would not surprise me at all and he’d be absolutely worth it at that price), they’ll have the money for it. Cubs have a lot of money coming off the books this year and if they’re willing to go for that contract, that means they’re willing to spend.

So they’re either out because the choose to be or they certainly have way more than a 1% chance.
 
Looks like the Cubs are signing Tucker Barnhart as their other catcher. Didn't have a great year last year but was pretty decent with the Reds before that. I'm guessing we like the way he calls games, works with the pitchers, etc, and can hopefully get back to a league average bat (for a catcher).
Ugh

Barnhart, 31, is an excellent defensive catcher, but he slashed just .221 with one home run and 16 RBI across 94 games (308 plate appearances) with the Tigers in 2022.
 
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Barnhart, 31, is an excellent defensive catcher, but he slashed just .221 with one home run and 16 RBI across 94 games (308 plate appearances) with the Tigers in 2022.
I don't follow the Tigers but I'm pretty sure they all sucked last year. I don't have a problem with TB as a backup catcher.
 
I don‘t really get the “less than a 1% chance“ thing. If they’re willing to play in that contract space, they’ll have a chance. We just heard Swanson talk about the pitch the Cubs made to show him that they’re serious about winning. We’ve heard that before when the Cubs are seriously after a guy. The Cubs were a team Shohei liked the first time around.

If the Cubs are serious about building this thing and they’re serious about making a real play for Shohei (10/$500M or more would not surprise me at all and he’d be absolutely worth it at that price), they’ll have the money for it. Cubs have a lot of money coming off the books this year and if they’re willing to go for that contract, that means they’re willing to spend.

So they’re either out because the choose to be or they certainly have way more than a 1% chance.
From what I’ve heard/read, he likes the west coast and I’ve seen several places that he isn’t leaving California because the two teams that will be the most serious bidders will be the Dodgers and Angels. I think if the Cubs have a chance, they’ll have to not only make the playoffs, they’ll have to make a deep run. Playing with Dansby Swanson isn’t a big enough lure, so there has to be team success. And I think there will be several teams willing to meet the price, like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets. Surprise team could be Seattle.
 
Smyly deal is done - 2 years $19m guaranteed. Like the move

Also saw Red Sox released Hosmer after he cleared. Wondering if the Cubs will kick the tires there. May be a cheap platoon 1b if he is healthy.
 
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I don‘t really get the “less than a 1% chance“ thing. If they’re willing to play in that contract space, they’ll have a chance. We just heard Swanson talk about the pitch the Cubs made to show him that they’re serious about winning. We’ve heard that before when the Cubs are seriously after a guy. The Cubs were a team Shohei liked the first time around.

If the Cubs are serious about building this thing and they’re serious about making a real play for Shohei (10/$500M or more would not surprise me at all and he’d be absolutely worth it at that price), they’ll have the money for it. Cubs have a lot of money coming off the books this year and if they’re willing to go for that contract, that means they’re willing to spend.

So they’re either out because the choose to be or they certainly have way more than a 1% chance.
Plus it’s two roster positions
 
From what I’ve heard/read, he likes the west coast and I’ve seen several places that he isn’t leaving California because the two teams that will be the most serious bidders will be the Dodgers and Angels. I think if the Cubs have a chance, they’ll have to not only make the playoffs, they’ll have to make a deep run. Playing with Dansby Swanson isn’t a big enough lure, so there has to be team success. And I think there will be several teams willing to meet the price, like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets. Surprise team could be Seattle.
If he’s locked on LA, then so be it, but if he’s open to the market, the Cubs will have the chance to make a pitch. I’d still put their odds higher than “less than 1 percent”.
 
If he’s locked on LA, then so be it, but if he’s open to the market, the Cubs will have the chance to make a pitch. I’d still put their odds higher than “less than 1 percent”.
Ok, I’m a horrible negotiator…the highest I’ll go is 15%. And I hope I’m wrong because I would love to see what he could do playing half of his games at Wrigley!
 
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If the angels are not in the playoff hunt they will get crazy offers that I don't think they will be able to justify keeping him
 
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