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*****Official Cubs 2023 thread*****

No on both. Chapman has checked out. Kimbrel might have some innings left in him, but it’s worth nothing more than a non-roster invite for ST to find out.
I tend to agree, especially on Chapman. He has previously worn out his welcome.

If the Cubs were still in rebuilding mode next year, though, both might be rehabilitation projects, especially to be used for trade chips, although they would take up roster spots that other young pitchers could be used for developmental spots on the roster.

Let the past ride off into the sunset and let others (i.e., Pirates, Reds, et. al.) take those risks at this point in time.
 
No on both. Chapman has checked out. Kimbrel might have some innings left in him, but it’s worth nothing more than a non-roster invite for ST to find out.
I’m with Lucas. no thanks to both. I’d definitely go Kimbrel before Chapman, but I’d take Robertson back over both if we’re talking about re-runs. There are plenty of arms out there that could fill the bill.
 
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I’m with Lucas. no thanks to both. I’d definitely go Kimbrel before Chapman, but I’d take Robertson back over both if we’re talking about re-runs. There are plenty of arms out there that could fill the bill.
Robertson who is off the playoff roster for a celebration injury? I’d kick the tires.
 
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Devers needs to be protected in Rule 5.
He never got above South Bend. That’s going to be one of the tough calls. Has MLB cracked down on teams that claim and stash prospects? I know the Cubs did it a few years ago. Claim a guy then hide him with an injury for awhile.
 
He never got above South Bend. That’s going to be one of the tough calls. Has MLB cracked down on teams that claim and stash prospects? I know the Cubs did it a few years ago. Claim a guy then hide him with an injury for awhile.
He’s definitely in the margins, but I think he’sa guy someone would stash, to whatever extent they can get away with it.
 
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He’s definitely in the margins, but I think he’sa guy someone would stash, to whatever extent they can get away with it.
We can quibble on this one, but the overall reality is that the organization actually has lots of tough decisions to make regarding the 40 man roster, and will lose some decent guys this year.
 
We can quibble on this one, but the overall reality is that the organization actually has lots of tough decisions to make regarding the 40 man roster, and will lose some decent guys this year.
That’s very true. Davis, Alcantara and Brown are non-negotiable to me. After that it gets tough when you figure guys on the 40-man that might have to go to make space.
 
That’s very true. Davis, Alcantara and Brown are non-negotiable to me. After that it gets tough when you figure guys on the 40-man that might have to go to make space.
Where does Miguel Amaya fit in, now?
 
Where does Miguel Amaya fit in, now?
I think he’ll make it through the roster crunch. There are other guys I’d lose first. As it stands now, the Cubs have 47 guys on the 40-man. Miley and Contreras go away once the WS is over (unless Willson accepts the QO). Heyward goes away. I’m sure Alexander Vizcaino goes away since he never reported. I think Brault, Mills, Weick, Quiroz, Ortega get DFA/non-tendered. That’s 9 and there could be more. I think Weick would likely make it through waivers and the Cubs could sign him back and they might even try the same with Marquez. If they do that with Marquez, that’s 10 and they’re down to 37. I don’t think David Bote is safe and someone from Espinoza, Leiter, Uelmen go. Not sure if they’ve decided on Franmil, either. Rivas is at risk.

I think they’ll need to get down to 35 to protect 4 plus have an open spot to make a claim….then they’ll have to decide whether it’s better to keep a guy who could contribute in the bigs vs. a kid who is still a year or two away, knowing that every one of your own guys you stash is one less 40-man spot you’ll have to play with/shuttle guys next year.
 
Fangraphs has 6 Cubs prospects in their top 100 list. I am a little surprised to see James Triantos make the list. 1. He is one year removed from high school. 2. He’s bay heavy with no firm MLB position.
As mentioned in the article, the pitching is t quite there.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...six-top-100-prospects-according-to-fangraphs/
Triantos has apparently made big impressions with his bat, which is great.

I’m not super worried about the pitching ratings. We’ve seen some impressive things from Estrada, Wesneski and others who are not top 100. I wouldn’t be surprised to see someone from the Wicks, Herz, Brown, Horton, Kilian group hit top 100 next year. Wesneski may never get there because he may graduate from the list before he gets rated that high.
 
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They will not keep Franmil Reyes at his projected $6 million price tag. Nice story, and good guy, but he wasn’t $6 million good.
 
They will not keep Franmil Reyes at his projected $6 million price tag. Nice story, and good guy, but he wasn’t $6 million good.
I think that’s correct, but the two sides could agree to a lower contract or the Cubs could non-tender him and then also re-sign him as a FA for a smaller contract full of incentives/option targets after the Rule 5.
 
He never got above South Bend. That’s going to be one of the tough calls. Has MLB cracked down on teams that claim and stash prospects? I know the Cubs did it a few years ago. Claim a guy then hide him with an injury for awhile.
He’s definitely in the margins, but I think he’sa guy someone would stash, to whatever extent they can get away with it.
Not sure what "crack down" means, unless MLB has not been enforcing its own rules. A player taken in the R5D needs to be on the active roster the entire season following the draft (i.e. cannot be optioned or outrighted). If he ends up on the IL, the team can only keep him if he is active for 90 days, which can spill over into the next season.

Putting a player you're trying to develop on the IL when he's not injured, where he won't be able to compete, so that you protect his roster status, doesn't seem practical, and his agent probably would be interfering with that plan. What is more common is teams taking someone with enormous potential who is not ready for the Majors, let him suck that whole first year, then option him to the minors to finish his development. Again, doesn't seem like the best idea when trying to develop raw talent properly, but that's what happened with Santana and others.

I agree with everyone that the Cubs have some really difficult decisions to make in the next month regarding the 40-man, and no matter what they do, we're going to have to be prepared to lose both active players and prospects that we don't want to lose.
 
Not sure what "crack down" means, unless MLB has not been enforcing its own rules. A player taken in the R5D needs to be on the active roster the entire season following the draft (i.e. cannot be optioned or outrighted). If he ends up on the IL, the team can only keep him if he is active for 90 days, which can spill over into the next season.

Putting a player you're trying to develop on the IL when he's not injured, where he won't be able to compete, so that you protect his roster status, doesn't seem practical, and his agent probably would be interfering with that plan. What is more common is teams taking someone with enormous potential who is not ready for the Majors, let him suck that whole first year, then option him to the minors to finish his development. Again, doesn't seem like the best idea when trying to develop raw talent properly, but that's what happened with Santana and others.

I agree with everyone that the Cubs have some really difficult decisions to make in the next month regarding the 40-man, and no matter what they do, we're going to have to be prepared to lose both active players and prospects that we don't want to lose.
I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong lots. I doubt it happens much. But, I seem to recall the Cubs claiming someone and stashing him during the 2012-2014 period. Pretty sure he spent awhile on the IL and everyone knew it was a sham. They had him working on stuff in Arizona, and he would up pitching pretty well in the majors. Not every player has a powerful agent. Not every player is a huge prospect. This may have been seen as a quicker pathway to the majors versus being in an organization where he was blocked. I want to say it was Hector Rondon?
 
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I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong lots. I doubt it happens much. But, I seem to recall the Cubs claiming someone and stashing him during the 2012-2014 period. Pretty sure he spent awhile on the IL and everyone knew it was a sham. They had him working on stuff in Arizona, and he would up pitching pretty well in the majors. Not every player has a powerful agent. Not every player is a huge prospect. This may have been seen as a quicker pathway to the majors versus being in an organization where he was blocked. I want to say it was Hector Rondon?
I think it was Hector Rondon.

I also think it comes down to representation. That stuff simply isn’t going to happen to a Scott Boras client.

That said, there’s a lot to do in the margins with these guys, especially pitchers. Take a guy in the draft, have him on the opening day roster. Use him sparingly trying to stretch him out. If/when he has a rough stretch, hit the IL. Let him linger there for a few weeks, then assign him to the minors for a rehab assignment. Keep him there for the max amount of time. Bring him up, use him sparingly, rinse and repeat.
 
I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong lots. I doubt it happens much. But, I seem to recall the Cubs claiming someone and stashing him during the 2012-2014 period. Pretty sure he spent awhile on the IL and everyone knew it was a sham. They had him working on stuff in Arizona, and he would up pitching pretty well in the majors. Not every player has a powerful agent. Not every player is a huge prospect. This may have been seen as a quicker pathway to the majors versus being in an organization where he was blocked. I want to say it was Hector Rondon?
I don't think Rondon spent any time on the IL in 2013 after getting taken by the Cubs in Nov 2012. He was used sparingly with rather poor results, then spent the next offseason in Winter Ball, after which he became much more effective. Wasn't a bad deal for him or the Cubs (not so great for Cleveland :) ).

I think it was Hector Rondon.

I also think it comes down to representation. That stuff simply isn’t going to happen to a Scott Boras client.

That said, there’s a lot to do in the margins with these guys, especially pitchers. Take a guy in the draft, have him on the opening day roster. Use him sparingly trying to stretch him out. If/when he has a rough stretch, hit the IL. Let him linger there for a few weeks, then assign him to the minors for a rehab assignment. Keep him there for the max amount of time. Bring him up, use him sparingly, rinse and repeat.
This sounds like more of a typical "sham" that we've seen. I guess nothing wrong with collecting a Major League salary despite spending most of your time on rehab assignment. I suppose teams can get away with it as long as the player's agent and the team that lost the prospect allows them to.
 
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RIP to a great.
It was one of the first few games he pitched for the Cubs after a May call up in 1976, he was called in to save a 1 run lead at Pittsburgh one night. Pittsburgh had some great hitters at the time in Al Oliver, Willie Stargell, Richie Hebner, Manny Sanguillen, Richie Zisk, and many others. My dad and I were watching the game and Bruce gave up 3 long, warning track fly balls to retire the side in order in the 9th for his first save. I sarcastically said to my dad that, "Well, we have found our closer," more so in a relieved way that none of the balls left the park. Little did I know he was going to turn out like he did.

He was fun to watch. I think it was Johnny Bench who would try to bunt off him because he said you couldn't hit him in his prime.

IIRC, Bruce was a carpenter in the off season. He swung a hammer. Different times for sure.
 
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I read on Bleacher Nation that Wilson's qualifying offer will be $19.65 million.
 
I read on Bleacher Nation that Wilson's qualifying offer will be $19.65 million.
Yes, I think that's what them be this year. The Qualifying offer each year is determined by averaging the top 125 salaries in baseball.
 
Mervis had an amazing season, and the work in the AFL has been stellar, but he still seems like a guy who needs ABs at Iowa next season. At least to start the season, anyway.
 
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Mervis had an amazing season, and the work in the AFL has been stellar, but he still seems like a guy who needs ABs at Iowa next season. At least to start the season, anyway.
I would judge based on spring training, but I would also build the roster in such a way that Mervis playing 1B isn’t critical. Give him space to fail and still recover. If he tears up spring training, maybe he does start in Chicago, but if he’s hitting a buck forty five in May, let him go back down and make the necessary adjustments…..and if he doesn’t kill it in spring training, don’t force it and let him start in AAA.
 
As mentioned in the 2022 thread, Japanese pitcher Kodai Senga is coming to the US next season. There will not be a posting fee, he will be a free agent. He would be a very good middle of the rotation guy, and the Cubs are legitimately rumored to be in on him. As mentioned in the article he's a good baseball fit, but there are a lot of marketing synergies for a team like the Cubs.
https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...-of-his-deal-so-he-can-enter-mlb-free-agency/
 
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