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*****Official Cubs 2023 thread*****

I have no idea if the 3-player "taxi squad" rule that was established in 2020 still applies (or even what the rules were before then).
I think it’s less that the formal taxi squad is established and more that I think teams started sometimes taking a couple guys with them on longer trips if they anticipate needing a guy. I just remember hearing Zach talk about traveling with the Tigers waiting to be “called up” last year at some point on The Compound podcast.
 
Next extension target - no doubt; but not yet.

I love how JS has emerged from Tommy John surgery and being lost among pitching prospects (with D Underwood, J Stinnett, O de la Cruz, T Hatch, R Zastrynzy, etc.) to a guy that could be our #1 real soon. A contract like that would work out great for the Cubs if JS kept getting better and better. But like you said, they've got some time to see if he looks the part, and there are several areas of caution:

1) JS still hasn't completed a full MLB season. His 119 IP last season was by far the most of his career (and most since his previous career high of 98 in '17 at Myrtle Beach), and it's still not clear why he had to be shut down before Labor Day. If he can go 150+ IP this season (and still look good in the postseason :D ), I'm sure the Cubs front office will be thinking about this seriously.

2) The Cubs are already among the top teams in MLB with future $ committed. MLB.com showed that after the Happ deal, the Cubs are already 5th in MLB in payroll commitment for 2026, with the top 4 already being expected present-day contenders (Yankees, Padres, Braves, Mets). Obviously, only time will tell if this is a good or bad thing,

3) I believe the last player the Cubs "locked up" this early in the contract process was D Bote....

I'm thinking that, if things go as planned for the Cubs, they'll be looking to extend JS like they did NH, after his ARB1 year. If he has a super solid '23 season, he might make $2.5-3M in '24. He'd have to win the Cy Young for the Cubs to be looking at ARB2-4 being potentially more expensive than the contract you described.

So, I think that if the Cubs want him long term, they'll get him, and for a fair price.
Fair points on Steele. I don’t really think he’ll get extended this season, but threw out a “now” number just to walk it through. My number was also probably close to highest possible line for Steele. Justin doesn’t have much leverage here, other than to let things play out and bet on himself, so there’s almost certainly a number lower than that that he’d accept. Next year is his ARB1 season, so we’ll see how he does in 2023 and then there will be some projections after the season. If he pitches like a real #1/#2 this season, he’ll get good money in arb. Hendricks isn’t a perfect comp because, as you point out, Steele doesn‘t have multiple high-level full seasons behind him, but Hendricks jumped to $4.1M in his arb1 year 5 years ago. With really good season, I could see Steele getting to $5-6M given baseball inflation, but that’s probably it unless he’s literally in the Cy Young race.

The point of extending Steele would be to lock in a price and not play arb roulette year after year. The Cubs are currently in a good situation money-wise heading into next year, regardless of where they currently rank in commitments. The Cubs are currently projected to have $68M to spend to the CBT, which probably means $55-ish million in new spending (and obviously they can go over that). Additionally, there are a number of options in play that could bring down the commitments (though in the case of Stroman, if the Cubs re-worked his deal, his price would go up).

The Cubs will hopefully be heading into a window of time when they’ll have a couple regulars and a good number of pitchers playing on pre-arb deals, which will give them max flexibility.
 
I think it’s less that the formal taxi squad is established and more that I think teams started sometimes taking a couple guys with them on longer trips if they anticipate needing a guy. I just remember hearing Zach talk about traveling with the Tigers waiting to be “called up” last year at some point on The Compound podcast.
The activated Hughes, and optioned Velasquez today, although I doubt he's on a plane to Des Moines tonight. They've probably got NV and Estrada rooming together to save a few $$
 
Belli robes a Homerun!
That was a phenomenal play. No ill will towards Heyward, but the play he made earlier looked outstanding because he’s lost a few steps, and he looked to be going all out to get to that ball.
 
I was hoping that, if we were gonna lose, Heyward would have gotten the game-winning hit. At least then it would have been funny.
 
Holy s*** this ump sucks.
Boxberger doing everything he could to walk a .190 hitter.
 
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Cubs pretty much shutdown Betts and Freeman in the series. Betts was "credited" with 3 hits today, his only hits of the series, but a couple of them were fielding gifts.

Dodgers look like they are missing the 2 Turners and Bellinger so far this season.
 
Crisis averted by Leiter. Shame on some of you for wanting to cut him.
I’ll own it. Most of the 2nd half last year, I was on the cut Leiter bandwagon. Even though he was performing, I just didn’t see the future. I didn’t believe the reverse splits and had him cut 2-3 times this offseason to make 40-man space for others.

I.

WAS.

WRONG.

I’m not ready to commit to the guy for 5 years, but he sure as hell can be a part of this bullpen. He’s pretty nasty right now and after watching what he did to Freeman (plus others), I’m buying the reverse splits now. He’s basically a lefty in the pen.
 
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a lot of baseball left, but happy to see this team isn't an embarrassment and looks improved

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How many years left in Stroman''s deal. With the lack of SP especially front in on the market. They should be able to ask for a kings ransom at the deadline. Still too many holes on this Cub team to think holding on to him and contending is prudent.
 
How many years left in Stroman''s deal. With the lack of SP especially front in on the market. They should be able to ask for a kings ransom at the deadline. Still too many holes on this Cub team to think holding on to him and contending is prudent.
What? That’s crazy. Do you still see this team as 4-5 years from the playoffs? If so, I’m not sure what you’re seeing.

Stroman is under contract through next year, but he has an opt-out after this season. I think this Cubs team will absolutely be playing meaningful baseball in September and that we won’t see major trades. I do think Stro will opt out, but I think it’s more likely that the Cubs re-work his deal to give him a raise next year and extend a couple years than it is that the Cubs trade him at the deadline.

The Cubs currently have a core to supplement over the next 3-4 years:

2B: Hoerner locked in for this year plus 3
SS: Swanson locked in for this year plus 6
LF: Happ locked in for this year plus 3
RF: Suzuki locked in for this year plus 3
SP: Steele under team control for this year plus 4, Taillon locked in for this year plus 3. Wesneski, Thompson, Alzolay and all the rest of the young pitching is years from free agency (they won’t all pan out)

No way the Cubs start selling off useful parts mid-season.
 
What? That’s crazy. Do you still see this team as 4-5 years from the playoffs? If so, I’m not sure what you’re seeing.

Stroman is under contract through next year, but he has an opt-out after this season. I think this Cubs team will absolutely be playing meaningful baseball in September and that we won’t see major trades. I do think Stro will opt out, but I think it’s more likely that the Cubs re-work his deal to give him a raise next year and extend a couple years than it is that the Cubs trade him at the deadline.

The Cubs currently have a core to supplement over the next 3-4 years:

2B: Hoerner locked in for this year plus 3
SS: Swanson locked in for this year plus 6
LF: Happ locked in for this year plus 3
RF: Suzuki locked in for this year plus 3
SP: Steele under team control for this year plus 4, Taillon locked in for this year plus 3. Wesneski, Thompson, Alzolay and all the rest of the young pitching is years from free agency (they won’t all pan out)

No way the Cubs start selling off useful parts mid-season.
Mid roster at best. Sure they can get into playoffs with the Hockey playoff system currently. But they can trade Stroman at his peak value right now. Add some studs. Then perhaps do what San Diego does keep flipping until u get a WS potential roster.
 
Mid roster at best. Sure they can get into playoffs with the Hockey playoff system currently. But they can trade Stroman at his peak value right now. Add some studs. Then perhaps do what San Diego does keep flipping until u get a WS potential roster.
After what happened the past couple years, the Cubs need to be careful about selling off this year if the team is playing well. I wouldn’t be trading a bunch of prospects for deadline rentals or anything, but having a team with a chance and trading away one of the top 2 starters can be a dangerous game.

Let’s say the Cubs are a couple games out of a weak Central and sitting in comfortable range for the WC…if you trade Stroman, then what’s to stop them from dealing 5-6 other guys? Last year already had the lowest attendance in 25 years and Marquee ratings tanked. At some point, you have to establish that it’s go-forward time and go forward.
 
How many years left in Stroman''s deal. With the lack of SP especially front in on the market. They should be able to ask for a kings ransom at the deadline. Still too many holes on this Cub team to think holding on to him and contending is prudent.
Yeah, no.
 
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He's going to opt out after this year anyway. Unless they plan to give him an 100 million extension. Best get some real value. Since front end SP is scarce.
If the Cubs are dead in the water at that point, maybe, sure. But if they’re not, if they’re still hanging around in the division and within realistic shot of the wild card with a lighter 2nd half schedule coming up, punting on the season by trading your #1 or #2 starter would be a terrible look.
 
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He's going to opt out after this year anyway. Unless they plan to give him an 100 million extension. Best get some real value. Since front end SP is scarce.
He signed a 3 year deal with an opt out before age 30. He's 30+ now, $100 million probably isn't in his future. He will get the kind of deal he got from the Cubs. God bless him, he's a good pitcher, but if he opts out the world doesn't end for the Cubs. Let's give it awhile and see how some of the young pitchers do in the system.
 
The Cubs really need to take 2-3 from the A's. They are putrid, and the Cubs could use a little padding in the standings before flying back for a tough homestead. Another mark of the Cubs being better this season is beating up on the crap teams.
 
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