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*****Official Cubs 2023 thread*****

I’m still reserving judgment on his returns in his significant trades. Been some nice hits but lots of misses, which I’m sure can be said of many GMs. Also, they gave Gomes more playing time and brought Barnhart in for very specific reasons, so trading them makes little sense.
I think the biggest reason for bringing in Barnhart was having no expectations for Amaya. He missed most of 2021 and 2022 with TJ surgery and while he came back for about 40 games last season, I don’t think he caught at all until Arizona Fall League. This is a guy who also missed a ton of time to injury in 2019 and then all of 2020 because of COVID, I think the Cubs were just hoping he could stay healthy and get to AAA, but it turned out he impressed. I don’t actually think they’ll trade either Gomes or Barnhart at the deadline, but it’s certainly a possibility.
 
His contact doesn’t make him that attractive. He has another year of team control on his contract with a club option worth $16 million for 2024. The cubs won’t just trade him for nothing and I doubt teams will want to give up a lot for that.
If it’s an option, it can be declined by the the team he goes to. He’s been a great playoff pitcher
 
Bellinger and Stroman are the only ones with trade value still. The rest tanked their value the last few weeks.

You could MAYBE package Wisdom with one of the above players simply because of his power. It’s about all he has however and is very hot and cold.
They do have bullpen arms they might deal. Fulmer isn't a closer, but he's been effective in the 7th and 8th innings. He's on a one year deal, which the Cubs have paid the bulk of already. Leiter and Merryweather were both claimed on waivers from other teams and offhand I don't know if the Cubs have team control on them after this season, but I can see a team calling about them.
Whoever the Cubs deal I can see them eating salary in order to boost the return.
 
Bellinger and Stroman are the only ones with trade value still. The rest tanked their value the last few weeks.

You could MAYBE package Wisdom with one of the above players simply because of his power. It’s about all he has however and is very hot and cold.
Smyly & Hendricks both have some value. You need a back-end starter to get you through the dog days? Plus Smyly has a long history of being a swing and going to the pen (he was excellent there for the Braves in their championship run).

Mark Leiter Jr and Merryweather also have value. Both are also under team control for 3.5 more years, as they’re just hitting arbitration. Between the two, I’d keep Merryweather, but we’ll see what they do.
 
His contact doesn’t make him that attractive. He has another year of team control on his contract with a club option worth $16 million for 2024. The cubs won’t just trade him for nothing and I doubt teams will want to give up a lot for that.
But it’s a club option. The team taking him isn’t locked into that year.

I do agree on the whole that the obvious 2 big trade chips are Stroman and Bellinger and if I was Jed, I wouldn’t trade Stroman. I’d rather get through the deadline and then extend him for 3-4 years.…but he’d be a fool not to listen to offers right now.
 
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I think the biggest reason for bringing in Barnhart was having no expectations for Amaya. He missed most of 2021 and 2022 with TJ surgery and while he came back for about 40 games last season, I don’t think he caught at all until Arizona Fall League. This is a guy who also missed a ton of time to injury in 2019 and then all of 2020 because of COVID, I think the Cubs were just hoping he could stay healthy and get to AAA, but it turned out he impressed. I don’t actually think they’ll trade either Gomes or Barnhart at the deadline, but it’s certainly a possibility.
My issue during the offseason was even though Amaya's status was shaky coming off of injuries, the team overpaid to get Barnhart. I don't recall the exact timing, but there were other guys out there, including some AAAA guys like PJ Higgins they could have added for less money. Barnhart is such a blackhole at bat it's infuriating. I know they have money, but it's just infuriating when everyone knew he couldn't hit.
 
My issue during the offseason was even though Amaya's status was shaky coming off of injuries, the team overpaid to get Barnhart. I don't recall the exact timing, but there were other guys out there, including some AAAA guys like PJ Higgins they could have added for less money. Barnhart is such a blackhole at bat it's infuriating. I know they have money, but it's just infuriating when everyone knew he couldn't hit.
I thought $3M for him as a defensive catcher was fine. If this team was going to take the lightning in a bottle approach to contending, I did like Barnhart over PJ Higgins and the like because you at least knew he’d call a good game, frame and be a solid guy back there.
 
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Haha, if only Randolph, Mortimer and the rest of the Ricketts klan would sell to someone who actually cares about fielding a respectable team with any consistency.

Another very successful season of extracting money from the fans as far as they are concerned but its gotta be tempting to cash in on the billions the team is valued at now. Maybe after they try to get Trump elected for the 3rd time
 
My issue during the offseason was even though Amaya's status was shaky coming off of injuries, the team overpaid to get Barnhart. I don't recall the exact timing, but there were other guys out there, including some AAAA guys like PJ Higgins they could have added for less money. Barnhart is such a blackhole at bat it's infuriating. I know they have money, but it's just infuriating when everyone knew he couldn't hit.

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Yyeah,
Meh

familiar face from his previous time with the club, I would guess it's just for added depth at catcher
Especially if Gomes gets traded at the deadline. It's more of an insurance policy just in case.

I see Morel has been scratched tonight due to a stiff neck. Will be available off the bench, though.
 
I thought $3M for him as a defensive catcher was fine. If this team was going to take the lightning in a bottle approach to contending, I did like Barnhart over PJ Higgins and the like because you at least knew he’d call a good game, frame and be a solid guy back there.
He sucks, Bro. He sucks hard.
 
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Talk about dodging a bullet.... Think of how bad he's been since he left the Cubs.
Along those same lines, it sounds like Javy has totally fallen out of favor in Detroit.

Detroit Tigers fans have had it with Javier Baez​


Javier Baez wasn't a popular signing when the Detroit Tigers signed him. They signed him over the likes of Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, and Marcus Semien. So far, it's safe to say the Tigers made the wrong choice.


Baez is currently one of the worst qualified hitters in all of baseball. His 57 wRC+ in second-worst in the league behind only Tim Anderson of the White Sox. He is walking at a 3.5% clip, leads the league in chase rate, and the power has completely disappeared. Offensively, he is an unmitigated disaster.

Defensively, he's actually been one of the best shortstops in all of baseball, which is a huge improvement over last year. His outs above average of 9 ranks third among shortstops, only behind Dansvy Swanson and Wander Franco. His DRS of 4 is tied for eighth among MLB shortstops.

People will point out the 12 errors on the season, but J.P. Crawford of the Mariners also has 12 errors and is considered to be a great defensive shortstop. The metrics are much more indicative of how good of a defender a player is than the counting stats.

Just look at the play Javy made in the combined no-hitter against the Blue Jays. He went halfway into the outfield to track down a pop fly. He's still got the range.

Because of his defense, he's still got a positive WAR on the season (0.3). For comparison's sake, Anderson has a -1.0 fWAR on the year.

Yesterday's game, for whatever reason, was a tipping point for Tigers fans. In the first inning, he didn't charge a groundball, allowing Julio Rodriguez to reach base on an infield single. Frustrating, sure, but not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.


He went 0-for-4 on the day with two strikeouts, including the game-ender in which he swung and miss at three straight outside pitches. Again, frustrating, but he's done that numerous times before.

But the outrage on Twitter after the game was insane. People were done with him. The thing that's hard to understand is that this is who he's always been.

Sure, he still use to produce much more offensively, but he's always been a free-swinger. He's never walked. This is not a new thing.

The things people really have a problem with is what he's paid. He's making $20 million this season, and that will go up to $25 million next season when he inevitibally opts in. There's nothing they can do about that. Nobody is taking his contract.

The best thing the Tigers can do is try to find some more talented hitters that will make him better. We saw how good he could be with the Cubs when he had Bryant, Rizzo, and others around him, and the same thing with the Mets with Alonso, Lindor, and McNeil. The only real solution here is to try to put some pieces around him in an effort to make him better.

Javier Baez is here to stay. There's no way around it. We're just going to have to live with him.

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Haha, if only Randolph, Mortimer and the rest of the Ricketts klan would sell to someone who actually cares about fielding a respectable team with any consistency.

Another very successful season of extracting money from the fans as far as they are concerned but its gotta be tempting to cash in on the billions the team is valued at now. Maybe after they try to get Trump elected for the 3rd time
Weird
 
I do not love PJ Higgins catching. I do like his bat a lot better, though.
If the rest of the line up was the 1927 Yankees they could give up some production at catcher. There is no amount of defensive metrics that cover up for how awful Barnhart is at the plate.
 
You think it's weird that many Cubs fans would prefer owners who are focused on putting a consistent contender on the field instead of being frugal and focusing on right wing politics or amassing Wrigleyville real estate or buying european soccer teams? OK

I find justifying the long, in house approach to the bullpen in a post and then immediately turning around and crying about said bullpen weird but whatever
 
I hate how baseball figures who gets the win when pitching. Hendricks pitched great for 6 innings and ends up with a no-decision because Merriweather let's up a couple runs to tie it. Then the Cubs score 5 and Merriweather gets the win. Have never liked how that happens.
 
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