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*******Official Cubs 2025 Thread*******

Buying a prospect is fine. Some people are acting like the Cubs MUST trade Bellinger, and they MUST eat half the contract.
Correct. They do not have to trade Bellinger and eat half the contract. They’re welcome to not subsidize the Yankees.
 
Bruce Levine is breathlessly reporting that the Jesús Luzardo trade is being hammered out.
In 6 years Luzardo has thrown 178 innings, 100 innings, and the next highest was 60ish innings. Guys who can't stay healthy generally don't all of a sudden get healthy.
 
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Bruce Levine is breathlessly reporting that the Jesús Luzardo trade is being hammered out.
In 6 years Luzardo has thrown 178 innings, 100 innings, and the next highest was 60ish innings. Guys who can't stay healthy generally don't all of a sudden get healthy.

I don’t understand why the cubs want this guy.
 
I don’t understand why the cubs want this guy.
SO rate, velocity, and 2 years of cost control left are my guesses, but he can't stay healthy, including a suspicious flexor issue in 2024. He's a UCL waiting to happen.
 
SO rate, velocity, and 2 years of cost control left are my guesses, but he can't stay healthy, including a suspicious flexor issue in 2024. He's a UCL waiting to happen.
The point is certainly elite arm talent. When he’s right, he’s absolutely nasty. Jed has really changed focus over the last year or so and shifted from out-getters to guys with velo and swing & miss stuff. I could see a real steady flow this year between the rotation and the bullpen, leveraging guys where the matchups are.

Let’s assume for a second that the Cubs get Luzardo without giving up a pitcher currently on the 40-man. The Cubs would have starter candidates in Steele, Imanaga, Taillon, Luzardo, Boyd, Assad, Wicks, Brown and Kilian, plus Cade Horton and Brandon Birdsell who aren’t on the 40, but could debut this year. As of today, only Steele, Shota and Taillon could be fully expected to give 150 innings and make 30 starts. Assad threw 147 innings, but struggles to get deep into games given some fundamental inefficiency and the rest (except Birdsell) all missed at least 2 months last season. The Cubs would be deep in power arms with the ability to run guys in and out of the bullpen, stack piggyback outings, etc. Brown only threw 55 innings last year, Horton 35, Wicks 46, Boyd 40, Kilian 58, Luzardo 66. A lot of guys are going to need to be built up slowly, but there’s a lot of potential there in that group.

Will be interesting to see this roster come together. This definitely tracks with what the Dodgers are doing in terms of not worrying about 5 starters, but stacking up a lot of guys who can start games and get outs because in 2024 you know you need to have serious depth to get through a full season and playoffs.
 
Didn't have to eat much money but certainly didn't get much in return. Now with the cost savings I'd rather see them sign a starter versus trade for one, unless of course they can make the trade without losing any of the top 100 guys...
That’s why they didn’t get much in return. Poteet is at least pre-arb with 2 option years, so he can be useful depth and won’t cost much. Clearly this was about moving off the salary…..so, what’s next? Let’s see.
 
As a Yankee fan...LOL.

Paying $5 M isn't much, but getting Poteet isn't any decent return.

SALARY DUMP!!!

Gotta believe the Cubs simply had other teams asking Hoyer to eat more $$$.
Unless Bellinger gets injured, this is grand theft by Cashman.

With a year of Tucker before Jed loses him in free agency, shoulda kept Bellinger and made a run for the playoffs. Now...Tucker becomes trade bait at the deadline.
 
Bellinger has another opt out, so if he mashes balls into the short porch in RF at Yankee Stadium he'll opt out. This is also part of the calculation in the low return for Bellinger.
 
Bellinger has another opt out, so if he mashes balls into the short porch in RF at Yankee Stadium he'll opt out. This is also part of the calculation in the low return for Bellinger.

That and the fact that bellinger is barely above average now. His 2023 season was very lucky. His 2024 season was very average.
 
As a Yankee fan...LOL.

Paying $5 M isn't much, but getting Poteet isn't any decent return.

SALARY DUMP!!!

Gotta believe the Cubs simply had other teams asking Hoyer to eat more $$$.
Unless Bellinger gets injured, this is grand theft by Cashman.
Trade should work well for both teams, which is how it should be. Belly will do well with the short porch in right field and play good D so a win for the Yanks. Saves quite a bit of money the Cubs can use elsewhere and we already got the upgrade offensively from Tucker, so a win for the Cubs too.

Hopefully they use the money wisely and get another starter (Buehler?) and a true closer type arm for the bullpen (Kirby Yates?). Maybe take a flier on a Moncada type at 3rd in case Shaw isn't ready, although everything they are doing says he's basically been anointed the starter at 3B.
 
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How does this make the Cubs better?

The Yankees are always in win-now mode. They obviously think Bellinger makes them better.

Are the Cubs saving money to invest in other players or just saving money for ownership?
 
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How does this make the Cubs better?

The Yankees are always in win-now mode. They obviously think Bellinger makes them better.

Are the Cubs saving money to invest in other players or just saving money for ownership?
The Cubs have consistently spent under the Ricketts family, just not always wisely. What they won't do is go over the cap, especially not 2 years in a row. I am not sure the final numbers are in, but they most likely did this season.
Jed will spend this money.
 
How does this make the Cubs better?

The Yankees are always in win-now mode. They obviously think Bellinger makes them better.

Are the Cubs saving money to invest in other players or just saving money for ownership?
It makes us better if used effectively for SP/RP
 
It doesn’t. We continue to shit the bed intentionally, or unintentionally.

Do we even have a plan here? We are 83 game winners in a weak division and are dumping talent?
They now have the money for a SP, a bench player with MLB experience, and some bullpen help with 8-10 million in reserve for in season moves.
 
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They now have the money for a SP, a bench player with MLB experience, and some bullpen help with 8-10 million in reserve for in season moves.

We will see. I would be fine if that actually happens.

Also, who in our lineup scares the opposing pitcher? We have assembled a collection of above average players.

I’m off my soap box now.
 
We will see. I would be fine if that actually happens.

Also, who in our lineup scares the opposing pitcher? We have assembled a collection of above average players.

I’m off my soap box now.
They have the makings of a better team. Several guys underperformed in April and May. Swanson underperformed all season, and wound up having surgery after the season ended. I always thought he had something going on in the lower half of his body that was affecting his ability to rotate and drive with his swing.
 
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BN has a note up that the Cubs have traded catcher Matt Thaiss to the White Sox for cash considerations. That means they will have to sign another "Break glass in case of emergency", catcher to hang out in Des Moines. Thaiss didn't have any options, so they tried to push him through waivers when Kelly was officially signed and added to the 40 man roster.
 
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As a Yankee fan...LOL.

Paying $5 M isn't much, but getting Poteet isn't any decent return.

SALARY DUMP!!!

Gotta believe the Cubs simply had other teams asking Hoyer to eat more $$$.
Unless Bellinger gets injured, this is grand theft by Cashman.

With a year of Tucker before Jed loses him in free agency, shoulda kept Bellinger and made a run for the playoffs. Now...Tucker becomes trade bait at the deadline.
You may be right (and I hate you for it). However, if Cubs can get a 3B, and extend Tucker after he is the NL MVP, I'm not sad. How about if they ad Vlad Jr.? Then what do you say?
 
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If they add Vlad Jr and extend Tucker, I will eat a Joel Hoka.
Not googling Joel Hoka. If she looks like this, thats fine...
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You may be right (and I hate you for it). However, if Cubs can get a 3B, and extend Tucker after he is the NL MVP, I'm not sad. How about if they ad Vlad Jr.? Then what do you say?
Gotta see it first.

Show the fans you're trying to win.
 
I’m talking about @joelbc1 and his Hoka golf shoes he keeps pimping on here.

Assuming the orange top is not a trap, I’m in on that instead!
I haven’t “pimped” any Hoka golf shoes…..I mentioned that I saw where they were making them and wondered if anyone had tried them. I own a couple of pair of Hoka…I cannot imagine playing golf in them as laterally unstable as they are. But then Vijay has long walked to a different drummer.
 
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I haven’t “pimped” any Hoka golf shoes…..I mentioned that I saw where they were making them and wondered if anyone had tried them. I own a couple of pair of Hoka…I cannot imagine playing golf in them as laterally unstable as they are. But then Vijay has long walked to a different drummer.

Just bustin balls Joel.
 
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