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*******Official Cubs 2025 Thread*******

Explain to me why everybody is in a rush to deal Beli? Especially if the Cubs get very little in return.
Good question. We need outfield and 1B depth, and he is above average at both. If he has even an average (for him) offensive season, he's worth it. Seems like we need him this season. If things fall apart, he'd be much more valuable to trade in July than in the offseason.
 
Explain to me why everybody is in a rush to deal Beli? Especially if the Cubs get very little in return.
I'm not, but Jed is, and I assume it's financially motivated. They nibbled their way over the luxury tax in 2024, probably. I am not sure that has been fully detailed and expensed, yet. Baseball wise I'm not for it, Bellinger gives you a ton of flexibility. He plays a plus CF/RF/1B, and offensively he is off of his prime, but he is productive. Again, it's purely about cost, and that he is locked in for 2 more years. They think they can be as flexible for less money. I suppose this also means they are 100 percent convinced that PCA won't regress or have a sophomore slump.
 
With the roster at 39, I assume the Cubs are sitting out tomorrow's R5D? Haven't taken anyone for a few years, anyway. I think our last pick that stuck was Hector Rondon about 12 years ago?
I’ll be surprised if they take anyone, but we’ll see. More cuts are coming. One move I’d expect is for Matt Thaiss to be put on waivers to hopefully clear and be organizational depth at Iowa once Carson Kelly is on board.
 
For the R5 draft, it’s really hard for a team trying to compete to get much out of it. Back in the day (as the Cubs did with Rondon), you could grab a live arm and stash them deep in the pen and carry them all season with some fake IL stints. Now the IL stuff is policed much more tightly and with a 13-pitcher limit on the active roster and starters not going as deep, you need every arm in that pen to contribute, so a kid you love who isn’t ready can really hurt the team. The Sox, Marlins and others could certainly grab guys and just let them struggle for a year.

All that said, if you think you have the right guy there, then go for it. At worst you give them back and sometimes, you can work out a trade and then once you do that, you can keep the guy and send him down.
 
Fried is off the market without any apparent Cubs interest, which doesn't surprise me. Eovaldi I thought they might get in on, but he got bigger money than projected. I'd say Jed is trying to deal Bellinger, and deal for a pitcher.
 
All of this Kyle Tucker stuff is interesting, but I’m cautious on the return. If they want Paredes after they lose Bregman figuring he can drive a lot of balls out of that LF, and a prospect, fine. When they start expanding to MLB ready arms I get leery. Tucker is a rental at this point.
 
All of this Kyle Tucker stuff is interesting, but I’m cautious on the return. If they want Paredes after they lose Bregman figuring he can drive a lot of balls out of that LF, and a prospect, fine. When they start expanding to MLB ready arms I get leery. Tucker is a rental at this point
Paredes, Bellinger, and non top 5 prospect I'd be ok with as I'm not a fan of Paredes and want Shaw to play 3B. I like Bellinger but rather keep Suzuki and Busch.
 
The noisiest rumor right now is Paredes, Seiya, Cam Smith and maybe a Wesneski type arm for Tucker and Ryan Pressley. I’d certainly rather keep Seiya and Cam Smith, but I don’t think Jed & Carter make this deal for a guy like Tucker unless they’re finally ready to write the big check. If he gets extended and gets that 10/$350M or whatever deal, I’m all in for it.
 
The noisiest rumor right now is Paredes, Seiya, Cam Smith and maybe a Wesneski type arm for Tucker and Ryan Pressley. I’d certainly rather keep Seiya and Cam Smith, but I don’t think Jed & Carter make this deal for a guy like Tucker unless they’re finally ready to write the big check. If he gets extended and gets that 10/$350M or whatever deal, I’m all in for it.
How old is Tucker? Seems to get hurt a bit. Bat plays anywhere though.
 
The noisiest rumor right now is Paredes, Seiya, Cam Smith and maybe a Wesneski type arm for Tucker and Ryan Pressley. I’d certainly rather keep Seiya and Cam Smith, but I don’t think Jed & Carter make this deal for a guy like Tucker unless they’re finally ready to write the big check. If he gets extended and gets that 10/$350M or whatever deal, I’m all in for it.
Just do Parades and Seiya.
 
Crochet heading to Red Soxes for a bundle think 24th and 52 best prospect in baseball plus another arm with great K rate in minors.
 
Fried is off the market without any apparent Cubs interest, which doesn't surprise me. Eovaldi I thought they might get in on, but he got bigger money than projected. I'd say Jed is trying to deal Bellinger, and deal for a pitcher.
I think Bellinger and San Francisco would make some sense. Think they’ll sign Burnes. Adames, Burnes, and Bellinger would give them something to sell to fans,
I guess comes could pony up for Burnes. But since Fried got 218 million. You’d think Burnes would get closer to 270.
 
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The noisiest rumor right now is Paredes, Seiya, Cam Smith and maybe a Wesneski type arm for Tucker and Ryan Pressley. I’d certainly rather keep Seiya and Cam Smith, but I don’t think Jed & Carter make this deal for a guy like Tucker unless they’re finally ready to write the big check. If he gets extended and gets that 10/$350M or whatever deal, I’m all in for it.
I would hate to see Cam Smith go. This would be a huge upgrade for the Cubs if they get Tucker. What in the hell is Houston thinking wanting to put up with Suzuki’s behavior?
 
If Cubs can't get a decent FA...they HAVE TO trade Bellinger right now. His trade value increases after Tucker moves and you don't risk him having a lousy first half of 2025 or an injury that destroys deadline value.
Cubs seem destined to needing a slew of young guys overachieving or a Brewers collapse for the 2025 post season to be a possibility.
 
For the R5 draft, it’s really hard for a team trying to compete to get much out of it. Back in the day (as the Cubs did with Rondon), you could grab a live arm and stash them deep in the pen and carry them all season with some fake IL stints. Now the IL stuff is policed much more tightly and with a 13-pitcher limit on the active roster and starters not going as deep, you need every arm in that pen to contribute, so a kid you love who isn’t ready can really hurt the team. The Sox, Marlins and others could certainly grab guys and just let them struggle for a year.

All that said, if you think you have the right guy there, then go for it. At worst you give them back and sometimes, you can work out a trade and then once you do that, you can keep the guy and send him down.
Looks like they picked up this Gage Workman SS/3B dude from the Tigers. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, since we're already having trouble figuring out how to get Shaw onto the roster when he's ready, but oh well. I guess a R5D pick is only a $50-100K risk. If this is a sign that the Cubs are looking to deal Paredes, then I'm all in.

 
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Looks like they picked up this Gage Workman SS/3B dude from the Tigers. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, since we're already having trouble figuring out how to get Shaw onto the roster when he's ready, but oh well. I guess a R5D pick is only a $50-100K risk. If this is a sign that the Cubs are looking to deal Paredes, then I'm all in.

My guess is it's a roll of the dice and an insurance policy. Workman's numbers improved when he dropped being a switch hitter. Defensively he's capable at more than one position. If they move Paredes and Shaw is not ready, you can run Workman out there. If he fails it's a low cost play. He might also be a depth option moving on from Mastrouboni. They definitely want a lefty IF depth bat.
 
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The noisiest rumor right now is Paredes, Seiya, Cam Smith and maybe a Wesneski type arm for Tucker and Ryan Pressley. I’d certainly rather keep Seiya and Cam Smith, but I don’t think Jed & Carter make this deal for a guy like Tucker unless they’re finally ready to write the big check. If he gets extended and gets that 10/$350M or whatever deal, I’m all in for it.
Yeah, I don't know how that would work. Can organizations and agents agree in good faith that a long-term deal will be agreed upon before a trade like this? Doesn't seem like that kind of under-the-table communication would be allowed. If anyone could sell the farm and then not be able to extend the acquisition past one season, it would be Jed....
 
Yeah, I don't know how that would work. Can organizations and agents agree in good faith that a long-term deal will be agreed upon before a trade like this? Doesn't seem like that kind of under-the-table communication would be allowed. If anyone could sell the farm and then not be able to extend the acquisition past one season, it would be Jed....
I think the best you can do in an above-board manner is for someone from the Cubs to reach out to Tucker’s agent to ask about openness to Chicago in the long-term.

If/when a deal happens, the Cubs have the exclusive ability for a full season to sell him on Chicago, Wrigley Field, the fans, the organization and try to talk extension/make offers, along the way. He may hit a point where he feels good enough about the fit and the Cubs have offered a big enough number that he never his the open market. He may not, but if the Cubs have made a good sell over the year and are aggressive in FA, he may well sign.

In my view, he’s the kind of talent that’s worth that gamble.
 
My guess is it's a roll of the dice and an insurance policy. Workman's numbers improved when he dropped being a switch hitter. Defensively he's capable at more than one position. If they move Paredes and Shaw is not ready, you can run Workman out there. If he fails it's a low cost play. He might also be a depth option moving on from Mastrouboni. They definitely want a lefty IF depth bat.
Yeah, the R5 draft is really as risk-free a thing as any move can be. Cubs paid the Tigers $50k for taking him and if he doesn’t beat out Mastro or if at some point next season the Cubs want to send him down, they offer him back to the Tigers for $50k. At that point, they’re either back to net nothing or the Tigers opt to not take him back and then the Cubs can send Workman to AAA or DFA him or whatever.
 
Tucker most likely takes the Soto route.

Don't ever envision the Cubs being in the mix for a 6-8 year mega contract.

I guess we'll know soon enough.
 
I think the best you can do in an above-board manner is for someone from the Cubs to reach out to Tucker’s agent to ask about openness to Chicago in the long-term.

If/when a deal happens, the Cubs have the exclusive ability for a full season to sell him on Chicago, Wrigley Field, the fans, the organization and try to talk extension/make offers, along the way. He may hit a point where he feels good enough about the fit and the Cubs have offered a big enough number that he never his the open market. He may not, but if the Cubs have made a good sell over the year and are aggressive in FA, he may well sign.

In my view, he’s the kind of talent that’s worth that gamble.
Only way Jed can make this trade is if Ricketts has already told him he's fine with giving him 10 years and $300-$350 million, as otherwise it's a complete waste of prospects/talent as the Cubs aren't winning anything more than the division next year.

So like someone else said Jed will probably do it knowing we won't offer him anything close to enough to keep him...
 
10 years and $350 million for...Kyle Tucker? No way. No freaking way do you give that guy that contract.

2024: .289 BA, 23 HR, 49 RBI, 80 Hits, 4.7 WAR, .993 OPS, 27 years old
 
10 years and $350 million for...Kyle Tucker? No way. No freaking way do you give that guy that contract.

2024: .289 BA, 23 HR, 49 RBI, 80 Hits, 4.7 WAR, .993 OPS, 27 years old
I'm saying they better not trade for him if they aren't willing to pay the extension, as to give up a haul for one year when you aren't winning the WS anyway would be dumb. And he will be getting $300 million for his contract from someone (unless he falls off next year) as his numbers aren't that far from Juan Soto the last few years. Last year he only played about 55% of the season and was still worth almost 5 WAR...That would have been 9+ if he was healthy all year and you ain't getting a 9 WAR player for $180 million.
 
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Juan Soto got massively overpaid and over termed and that contract is going to be an albatross in a few years.
 
Soto is 26 and Tucker will be 28 soon.

Tucker could easily argue for an 8 year contract. Both should be productive until age 35.

I don't see someone like the NYY making a trade without a new long term contract.
Cubs might do it, but if I'm Tucker, after playing with Houston, I want to go to a pennant contender.
Can the Cubs sell that? Not now, unless they exhibit a willingness to spend for more guys.
 
Soto is 26 and Tucker will be 28 soon.

Tucker could easily argue for an 8 year contract. Both should be productive until age 35.

I don't see someone like the NYY making a trade without a new long term contract.
Cubs might do it, but if I'm Tucker, after playing with Houston, I want to go to a pennant contender. Cubs would likely need to show they're willing to spend more for more guys.
Hoyer hasn't shown the commitment.
 
From what I hear, Tucker wants to go through free agency, so, if true, doubtful he signs with anyone whether he’s traded or not.
 
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