**** Official Israel War thread****
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Former US Rep. Justin Amash (L-MI), who was the only US House Member representing the Libertarian Party, announced Friday on Twitter/X that several of his relatives were killed when Israel bombed Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza. Amash's relatives, along with many others, were seeking shelter in the Church as Israel continues to flatten Gaza.
According to The Wall Street Journal, "The Israeli military said that a blast Thursday night on the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church campus in Gaza City was the result of its airstrike." The Israeli military said, "The incident is under review."
As one commenter on Amash's thread pointed out, Saint Porphyrius Church "symbolized coexistence. It's worth noting that this church is located near the Jewish Quarter in Gaza as well." Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church is the third oldest existing Christian church in the world, standing very nearly since the time of Christ.
They are there to get as close to our ships as possible and gather intel, and to bumble around in our way if things get hot. They aren't there to actively do anything.
A not so pretty view inside a hospital in Gaza.
https://apnews.com/article/palestin...ege-hospital-63d00d907f5469c81f49c0201801c997
https://apnews.com/article/palestin...ege-hospital-63d00d907f5469c81f49c0201801c997
I really can’t envision where the Gaza residents are going to live for the next year or two. Looks like it’s turning to a pile of rubble.
I’m pretty sure that’s Israel’s plan.
They have been pretty open about doing this haha.
Time to see what Iran is going to do now
Well, yeah, I mean like, duh... Certainly descriptive, though i don't know whether the timing was predictive.
What it is interesting to me is the current end game (assuming things don't just spiral wildly out of control regionally). From what I've seen of Israel's statements, it sounds like their military goals are to destroy hamas in gaza (not sure how you measure that) and otherwise flatten the place (likely overkill) as a means to destroy its infrastructure, but then once that's done, wash their hands of the place and isolate it from Israel. It's almost like they're daring the rest of the world that will eventually be pumping billions of redevelopment money into the region to oversee just whether those billions will actually be spent on helping palestinians.
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The world has been pumping billions into Gaza/Hamas for the last 20 years...
They have indeed, but I think some of the thinking here is along the lines of, "you want a two state solution and to end suffering for a few million people, fine, then take some responsibility for making sure that's how the funds will be used, because we're not going to allow otherwise"
I have to say, while I understand that Gaza is not a resource-rich environment and has been subject to Israeli and Egyptian constraints, the speed with which it has run out of the basic human necessities (or the capacity to produce them, like water and energy), is telling.
US moves carrier to Middle East following attacks on US forces
U.S. moves aircraft carrier towards the Middle East after attacks on U.S. forces, presumably by Iranian-backed forces.
Does "Middle East" (as distinct from Eastern Mediterranean) mean the Arabian Gulf or thereabouts?US moves carrier to Middle East following attacks on US forces
U.S. moves aircraft carrier towards the Middle East after attacks on U.S. forces, presumably by Iranian-backed forces.abcnews.go.com
I read it’s the Persian gulf it’s headed to. By the way those keeping count we now have 3 carrier groups over there. I don’t think this is for “deterrence” anymore…..
what's the third? I see Vinson is deploying for "indo pacific" which certainly covers some ground.
With the proliferation of drones and Irans anti ship missiles, operating in the Persian Gulf is a lot riskier than it used to be.
Fascinating to me that major media are now including a “disclaimer” on statements from Gaza ministry of health to the effect that it is controlled by Hamas, in light of subsequent analyses about the hospital being hit.
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Do you think it would be any different in any city in the US? I think it’s be like any natural disaster.
We were running out of basic goods immediately in the COVID days, and people empty the shelves every time a hurricane gets close. Not to mention the disruption to basic infrastructure after the disaster.
If anything, more “advanced” cities are more vulnerable because they are more dependent on trade. San Francisco might have the most Tech, but you can’t eat code.
no doubt point of sale inventories were low, but i have my doubts that we would be in desperate straits this quickly. our superpower is distribution, and one advantage to being continental in scale is diversification of production sites.
over there though, it's not like it makes any sense not to be stockpiling inventories of meds, food, etc, if you are in fact the one who is going to initiate hostilities.
The capabilities and resources of the entire US compared to Gaza? You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Again, take a US city in a vacuum. Blockade and bomb Manhattan and see how quickly things turn to shit. What’s the old saying, “Society is about nine meals away from anarchy”?
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