Oklahoma makes teaching the Bible mandatory in all schools

[Bulldogs1974]

I’m fine with an elective religious studies being taught in higher level high school courses. One of these courses was my favorite at Iowa. I’d be curious to know if there is a 1st Amendment argument here as a teacher. Can a teacher be forced by a public agency to teach religion when it’s something they don’t agree with?

Don’t have to bake the cake

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Mandatory Bible Study and a PragerU/Steve Deace history curriculum. Oklahoma really trying to win that race to the bottom.

 

[lucas80]

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Mandatory Bible Study and a PragerU/Steve Deace history curriculum. Oklahoma really trying to win that race to the bottom.

The joke is on them, that state is trending brown very fast.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

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Mandatory Bible Study and a PragerU/Steve Deace history curriculum. Oklahoma really trying to win that race to the bottom.

Young Republicans/MAGA men can't get laid, they need a pro to teach them how to handle the ladies.

 

[artradley]

I’ve always gotten MAGA was crazy. That’s why I have been against Trump from the beginning.

Mandating Bible teaching in public schools is next level insane.

If the right wants to turn America into a theocracy, I will vote for every Democrat on the ballot. That’s how stupid and dangerous I think this shit is.

Since the 80’s I’ve said the Democrats want my money but the Republicans want my soul. The party of freedom is anything but.

 

[Rifler]

I'll try to keep my money,.. I don't have a soul.

 

[Joes Place]

All Oklahoma schools are required to incorporate the Bible and the Ten Commandments in their curriculums, effective immediately, the state’s chief education officer announced in a memorandum Thursday.

At a State Board of Education meeting, Oklahoma State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters said the Bible is “one of the most foundational documents used for the Constitution and the birth of our country.”

“It’s crystal clear to us that in the Oklahoma academic standards under Title 70 on multiple occasions, the Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country, to have a complete understanding of Western civilization, to have an understanding of the basis of our legal system,” Walters said.

Every classroom in the state must have a Bible and all teachers must teach from the Bible in the classroom, Walters said.

The Oklahoma memorandum follows a law in Louisiana passed June 19, that requires all public classrooms to display the Ten Commandments. A group of Louisiana parents and civil rights organizations are suing the state over the new law, contending the legislation violates both US Supreme Court precedent and the First Amendment.

Oklahoma’s directive “is in alignment with the educational standards approved on or about May 2019, with which all districts must comply,” according to a news release.

“The Bible is an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone,” Walters said in the release. “Without basic knowledge of it, Oklahoma students are unable to properly contextualize the foundation of our nation. This is not merely an educational directive but a crucial step in ensuring our students grasp the core values and historical context of our country.”

The new memo comes after the Oklahoma Supreme Court blocked an effort to establish the first publicly funded religious charter school in the country. The court on Tuesday ordered the state to rescind its contract with St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School in a 6-2 decision with one recusal.

“Under Oklahoma law, a charter school is a public school,” wrote Justice James R. Winchester for the court. “As such, a charter school must be nonsectarian. However, St. Isidore will evangelize the Catholic faith as part of its school curriculum while sponsored by the State.”

Walters called the ruling “one of the worst” decisions the state Supreme Court has made and pledged to “fight back.”

“What the court did was rule against the parents of Oklahoma who have demanded more choices for their kids. We have a great opportunity to make sure that parents have the most options of any parents in the country here in Oklahoma, by giving them the ability to go to a public school, charter schools, private schools, this would have been the most unique charter school in the country,” Walters said.

“So I want you all to know, we will continue to fight back against this, we want to continue to provide an opportunity for parents to send their kids to high-quality schools.”

This is a developing story and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/us/oklahoma-schools-bible-curriculum/index.html

Meanwhile....the Greeks and their multiple gods, who actually 'invented' democracy, will be erased from the classroom....

 

[KFsdisciple]

Jfc

Yup that guy

 

[fivecardstud14]

Yup that guy

Yeah, that guy’s face should be plastered everywhere throughout public schools. Virgin births need to be talked about in all the science classes. It only makes sense.

 

[Flie]

I wonder if they allow room for intellectual discourse during bible class.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Yeah, that guy’s face should be plastered everywhere throughout public schools. Virgin births need to be talked about in all the science classes. It only makes sense.

There's worse things to teach kids, especially if this is addition to not in replace of existing curriculum

 

[fivecardstud14]

There's worse things to teach kids, especially if this is addition to not in replace of existing curriculum

Oh man thanks for the laughs. I love it when you talk about how much you want to mix church & state. Let’s go back to the 1700s!

 

[KFsdisciple]

Oh man thanks for the laughs. I love it when you talk about how much you want to mix church & state. Let’s go back to the 1700s!

we've always mixed church and state, but if you can point to ANY founding document that even implies a separation of church and state I'll sing a new tune. Just one... the constitution, the bill of rights within, the declaration, give me SOMETHING official that states "separation of church and state" Good Luck. But in the off chance you can't find it in the US Constitution, I'm sure you can find SOMETHING in the Oklahoma State Constitution that bans this right?

 

[KFsdisciple]

That's all you got is a laugh emoji? I will just take the W here

 

[fivecardstud14]

we've always mixed church and state, but if you can point to ANY founding document that even implies a separation of church and state I'll sing a new tune. Just one... the constitution, the bill of rights within, the declaration, give me SOMETHING official that states "separation of church and state" Good Luck. But in the off chance you can't find it in the US Constitution, I'm sure you can find SOMETHING in the Oklahoma State Constitution that bans this right?

No, you’re completely right. The founding fathers wanted religious wackos like you to be in charge. They wanted sky fairies to be the main point of education. They also wanted your bearded god to be umpires, as they consider you worthless. Why have a shitty ump when the cool god can call balls & strikes.

 

[KFsdisciple]

No, you’re completely right. The founding fathers wanted religious wackos like you to be in charge. They wanted sky fairies to be the main point of education. They also wanted your bearded god to be umpires, as they consider you worthless. Why have a shitty ump when the cool god can call balls & strikes.

ahhh a personal attack... first a laugh then a personal attack....If you're keeping score at home folks, this is what a 0 score looks like.

 

[fivecardstud14]

ahhh a personal attack... first a laugh then a personal attack....If you're keeping score at home folks, this is what a 0 score looks like.

Sorry, can’t take you seriously when you not only believe in a guy in the sky looking down on you, but also try to incorporate your guy into public schools using “show me where the founding fathers said…” You’re a joke, & you don’t deserve a real reply on this subject (& most subjects).

 

[Tom Paris]

I'll try to keep my money,.. I don't have a soul.

Trump took it.

 

[Tom Paris]

There's worse things to teach kids, especially if this is addition to not in replace of existing curriculum

You have no idea what you're talking about. Pure ignorance.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Sorry, can’t take you seriously when you not only believe in a guy in the sky looking down on you, but also try to incorporate your guy into public schools using “show me where the founding fathers said…” You’re a joke, & you don’t deserve a real reply on this subject (& most subjects).

The thing is, you think I'm beneath a reasonable conversation. That's exactly why people like me think you guys are the party of elites who think you can look down on others. You're so smart you've convinced yourselves boys have periods and can give birth. The joke is on you pal.

 

[KFsdisciple]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Pure ignorance.

If I had a choice between my kids learning about the teachings of a guy named Jesus of Nazareth, and boys can get periods... Let's turn to the book of John chapter 13 vs 15.

 

[Tom Paris]

If I had a choice between my kids learning about the teachings of a guy named Jesus of Nazareth, and boys can get periods... Let's turn to the book of John chapter 13 vs 15.

Thank you for proving my point that you’re ignorant about education. It’s always Republicans with this garbage.

 

[KFsdisciple]

Thank you for proving my point that you’re ignorant about education. It’s always Republicans with this garbage.

So you think boys have periods?

 

[fivecardstud14]

So you think boys have periods?

So you think a virgin can give birth?

 

[KFsdisciple]

So you think a virgin can give birth?

Nope.

 

[StormHawk42]

we've always mixed church and state, but if you can point to ANY founding document that even implies a separation of church and state I'll sing a new tune. Just one... the constitution, the bill of rights within, the declaration, give me SOMETHING official that states "separation of church and state" Good Luck. But in the off chance you can't find it in the US Constitution, I'm sure you can find SOMETHING in the Oklahoma State Constitution that bans this right?

Establishment Clause seems pertinent at this point.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Nope.

Is it possible for a virgin to give birth?

During the holidays, Christians celebrate the birth of a human baby to his virginal mother. We know that female wasps, fish, birds, and lizards can...

slate.com

 

[jonesy5960]

Would prefer to teach the bible to my children myself or have the church teach them.

Don't know why so many people want public schools to teach scripture to their kids.

I think it's pretty obvious. They believe that the Bible takes precedent over any/all laws that might preclude it's teaching in schools and that the notion of the separation of church and state is outdated and isn't enshrined anywhere in the constitution. This law will be upheld by the current 6-3 Supreme Court when it arrives for final determination.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Colonoscopy]

This is going to get shot down in the scouts

 

[HROT]

The scouts are groomers, so that checks

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

All Oklahoma schools are required to incorporate the Bible and the Ten Commandments in their curriculums, effective immediately, the state’s chief education officer announced in a memorandum Thursday.

At a State Board of Education meeting, Oklahoma State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters said the Bible is “one of the most foundational documents used for the Constitution and the birth of our country.”

“It’s crystal clear to us that in the Oklahoma academic standards under Title 70 on multiple occasions, the Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country, to have a complete understanding of Western civilization, to have an understanding of the basis of our legal system,” Walters said.

Every classroom in the state must have a Bible and all teachers must teach from the Bible in the classroom, Walters said.

The Oklahoma memorandum follows a law in Louisiana passed June 19, that requires all public classrooms to display the Ten Commandments. A group of Louisiana parents and civil rights organizations are suing the state over the new law, contending the legislation violates both US Supreme Court precedent and the First Amendment.

Oklahoma’s directive “is in alignment with the educational standards approved on or about May 2019, with which all districts must comply,” according to a news release.

“The Bible is an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone,” Walters said in the release. “Without basic knowledge of it, Oklahoma students are unable to properly contextualize the foundation of our nation. This is not merely an educational directive but a crucial step in ensuring our students grasp the core values and historical context of our country.”

The new memo comes after the Oklahoma Supreme Court blocked an effort to establish the first publicly funded religious charter school in the country. The court on Tuesday ordered the state to rescind its contract with St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School in a 6-2 decision with one recusal.

“Under Oklahoma law, a charter school is a public school,” wrote Justice James R. Winchester for the court. “As such, a charter school must be nonsectarian. However, St. Isidore will evangelize the Catholic faith as part of its school curriculum while sponsored by the State.”

Walters called the ruling “one of the worst” decisions the state Supreme Court has made and pledged to “fight back.”

“What the court did was rule against the parents of Oklahoma who have demanded more choices for their kids. We have a great opportunity to make sure that parents have the most options of any parents in the country here in Oklahoma, by giving them the ability to go to a public school, charter schools, private schools, this would have been the most unique charter school in the country,” Walters said.

“So I want you all to know, we will continue to fight back against this, we want to continue to provide an opportunity for parents to send their kids to high-quality schools.”

This is a developing story and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/us/oklahoma-schools-bible-curriculum/index.html

Just another way to keep them stupid and compliant.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

we've always mixed church and state, but if you can point to ANY founding document that even implies a separation of church and state I'll sing a new tune. Just one... the constitution, the bill of rights within, the declaration, give me SOMETHING official that states "separation of church and state" Good Luck. But in the off chance you can't find it in the US Constitution, I'm sure you can find SOMETHING in the Oklahoma State Constitution that bans this right?

The first amendment specifically prohibits the government establishment of religion. If a public, government run school is forced to teach one religion (Christianity) then this is de facto establishing religion. Of course this same amendment ensures your freedom to practice whatever religion you want. So if someone wants to voluntarily say a prayer in school I’m all for it. If they force a student to listen to it, or force them to learn a specific religion I am 100% against it.

I know it’s hard to find in the Bill of Rights given that it is…checks notes…the first one. But it is there none the less.

 

[like-woahh]

"This is not merely an educational directive but a crucial step in ensuring our students grasp the core values and historical context of our country.”

Yeah, like those super cool core values this early Christian nation did by wiping out a race of people and enslaving another?

Are those part of the core values?

If the founding of this nation was so strong in Christian values, I would expect them to love their fellow man as a brother, not murder them and enslave them.

 

[ClarindaA's]

The first amendment specifically prohibits the government establishment of religion. If a public, government run school is forced to teach one religion (Christianity) then this is de facto establishing religion. Of course this same amendment ensures your freedom to practice whatever religion you want. So if someone wants to voluntarily say a prayer in school I’m all for it. If they force a student to listen to it, or force them to learn a specific religion I am 100% against it.

I know it’s hard to find in the Bill of Rights given that it is…checks notes…the first one. But it is there none the less.

Constitutional Expert On ‘Separation Of Church And State’: Framers Said Nothing Wrong With Religion In Culture | Stanford Law School

The phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers saw nothing wrong with having reli

law.stanford.edu

 

[Chishawk1425]

Constitutional Expert On ‘Separation Of Church And State’: Framers Said Nothing Wrong With Religion In Culture | Stanford Law School

The phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers saw nothing wrong with having reli

law.stanford.edu

You're OK with this?

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Constitutional Expert On ‘Separation Of Church And State’: Framers Said Nothing Wrong With Religion In Culture | Stanford Law School

The phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers saw nothing wrong with having reli

law.stanford.edu

From your link:

“What it meant is that we would not have a system in which the government was able to tell us what to believe”

That is literally what Oklahoma is trying to do. Establish religious education in schools, telling kids what to believe.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Constitutional Expert On ‘Separation Of Church And State’: Framers Said Nothing Wrong With Religion In Culture | Stanford Law School

The phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers saw nothing wrong with having reli

law.stanford.edu

Seriously, you're OK with and trying to excuse this away? We vehemently disagree on things but this is a red line.