Oliver Martin has as Becky offer
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Why does Martín need to be a Hawk, no matter the cost? That makes no sense. At some point we have to trust the staff that they can either evaluate or not. They do make mistakes and will again. I've seen the statements that Martin is a great athlete because his SPARQ scores are better than Greenwood or he's a great baseball player. That tells me nothing as to whether he's faster than any of the other guys offered by Iowa.
I would guess that Martin ends up getting the Iowa offer at some point. But the angst here is odd.
The MSU staff under Dantonio has done a "decent" job of identifying wide receiver talent over his time. They feel Oliver is worthy
He needs to be a Hawk in my mind, just my opinion. Make sense? "We" don't need to trust the staff on anything. Like every other staff in college football, they entirely whiff on 1/3 of their recruits and get spot production from another 1/3 of their recruits. Martin checks off too many of the boxes IMO to pass up. Scanning through results from The Opening regionals, he has recorded a faster 40 time than a number of offered receivers at this time.
He has a faster shuttle time and vertical jump than guys like Jaevon McQuitty, Maurice Bell, Shamond Greenwood, and Camron Buckley. He has a faster 40 than McQuitty (a guy who was a target high on the board before he committed to Nebby) and Bell. Slower 40 than Greenwood and I can't find a time for Buckley. Sounds like all of those guys should be considered "possession receivers" also.
Sorry but you can't take those times as gospel. The coaches have no doubt seen these kids in person and know how fast they are.
We shouldn't trust electronicly timed 40s?? Lol okay. It's more accurate than the hand-timing they do at camps. And I don't believe that they have seen most of their WR targets in person.
IMO people are confused as to why they wouldn't offer. The kid is a Hawk fan. Born, bred, and corn fed! With Iowas struggles to recruit WR's over the years it seems obvious to take a kid like this that's falling in your lap. We have had many great possession receivers over the years and this kid fits that mold to a T. How is Oliver any different/ worse than Vandeburg at this stage of his young career?Look how the Vandeburg experiment is working out. Pretty, pretty good! Plus this staff has missed on a bunch of WR's recruits to be honest so are they gonna miss this opportunity? In the end I trust the staff but it's a fair question.
Who says the times reported on the recruiting sites are electronically timed? I guarantee you they have seen Holmes, Greenwood, Smith, Buckley, Hippenhammer, Johnson, Gibbs, and Martin all in person. maybe more.
Hes not the one pulling the trigger on an offer. He can sell kids until hes blue in the face to KF and the offensive staff, but hes not the one pulling the trigger. He tried to sell Beyer for months to the offensive coaches before they offered.
I kind of hope Iowa doesn't ever offer him so people can really freak out.
For 1, they don't have pads on. Second, it's not as much about speed as it is able to be quick while fast. We've had guys that could fly and they were not as good as a Marvin mcnutt who could flat out get open.
The Huskers may have some extras you can go after, they have 5 WR coming in on their own dime for a camp this weekend rated 4-5 stars and their 4 star QB commit also just to throw to them.
Looks like the staff agrees with you in that they offered him Tuesday night. Good for the kid, looks like he has plenty of P5 options in just the span of a few days.
I didn't get a single time from a recruiting site. I got them all from The Opening regional results pages. Doesn't get any more accurate than that.
Me to.......that is why I wasn't to worried that Iowa wouldn't offer Oliver based on Coach Morgan's evaluation of his ability. Oliver is a great athlete and is all state in football, baseball and swimming. Maybe you should watch him play live this fall and then determine for yourself how good of athlete he is.
I have no doubt that Oliver is going to be a big time player for the Hawks.
Well he hasn't signed with Iowa so no guarantee that he will be a big time player for Iowa anyway.
Only way they didn't offer is if he told them he wasn't interested. Their staff is offering everyone they can.
That doesn't seem to be the case here as they are being pretty selective on the WR for this class but like I said he seems like a good prospect.
The big difference is that VandeBerg was a more versatile recruit. VandeBerg projected well as BOTH a wide receiver and a ball-hawking defensive back (likely a free-safety). He had one season where he nabbed 9 interceptions. In his final 3 seasons in high school, he nabbed 21 interceptions! That is impressive! Furthermore, while many seem to think that VandeBerg is slow ... in high school he was listed as clocking a 4.4 40. I wouldn't overemphasize that time since I would venture to guess that it was hand-timed. But the fact remains that he's proven more than "fast enough."
Anyhow, all our speculation is a moot point because Martin now has many excellent offers ... and Iowa is among the group of schools he will choose from.
It will be interesting to see how Iowa's WR recruiting ends up playing out.
MVB was 150 lbs with rocks in his pockets when he stepped foot in Iowa City. There's no way he is playing safety until maybe this year. He's struggled adding weight and is finally at 185 lbs. Martin is a much stronger kid at the same stage.
Lets not forget that MVB had 1 offer and that was from Iowa. They saw something in him that no other school did. Martin is swimming in D1 offers. MVB has turned out to be another diamond in the rough for Iowa but Martin is absolutely a better prospect. I can't believe that people are arguing that MVB was a better prospect than Oliver. To say MVB projected 'well' at multiple positions is laughable. He was a skinny 2 star recruit that nobody had heard of until he committed.
