I believe Marc Morehouse said a little while ago the longer this drags out, the better OM's chances.
Oliver Martin Updates: Dec 27: Will not play (Shoulder injury). Is 5th on Depth Chart.
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I think I may have read that somewhere. May have been this board. Now that I think about it maybe it was this thread.
Do we have a final date or decision timeline? Or does Oliver practice as normal starting Friday and then if approved, he joins the 2-deep (maybe) and if not he assumes fall camp activities as normal. If not approved...can he play in 4 games or did I read that incorrect somewhere? Also, btw, what is taking so long? Oh yeah, it's the NCAA, my bad, Jalen Hunt will be cleared by the Clearinghouse at Sparty before this case is decided upon...
Sure would be nice to have this sorted before camp starts on Friday.
And unless I'm missing something the 4 game RS rule does not apply if he gets denied. If he isn't eligible for this season he'll be a scout team ace.
And unless I'm missing something the 4 game RS rule does not apply if he gets denied. If he isn't eligible for this season he'll be a scout team ace.
I think you read someone saying it would be nice if athletes could still play 4 games if a petition is denied because no that's not the case. I remember people saying it would be a good idea.
NCAA likes to keep us in limbo. I doubt he gets the waiver to play, but at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the NO came on game week.
If we were to appeal the ruling they could then drag it out to lessen the benefit and keep things uncertain. If we were a big dog we’d know right away and could expect good news.
The NCAA has been a joke for years.
If we were to appeal the ruling they could then drag it out to lessen the benefit and keep things uncertain. If we were a big dog we’d know right away and could expect good news.
The NCAA has been a joke for years.
Just like with Drew Ott. I hate the NCAA.
The Drew Ott case was pretty clear cut. Heartless on their part but he didn’t qualify.
Guess who’s mission statement this is:
Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete IS PARAMOUNT.
There’s a special place in hell...
Lawyer Daggett would be an excellent choice. He was a feisty and effective attorney .
Yeah, by the letter of the law, Ott's case was clear-cut, he just got screwed by the process being so drawn-out over something that was supposedly so obvious. That put him in no man's land of focusing on rehab vs attempting to do any sort of prep for the draft - interviews and the like. It would have been nice if they could have shown some heart in his case because of how bad the injury was, recognizing that he was only one game over the threshold and such. Dragging it out like they did is the part that sucks.
Similarly, I can live with either a positive/negative decision. Just don't leave Kirk, OM and co in limbo for the next 4 weeks.
"Well, J Noble Daggett would you like to bet against baby sister making a full recovery?"
"Not I would not."
"I don’t believe fairy tales or sermons or stories about NCAA eligibility, baby sister".
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i honestly wonder what the hell is taking so long. are there that many cases to review or are people at the NCAA on vacation? LOL
KF and Co. probably gave them a piece of their mind during the Ott case. Now it's payback from the NCAA. I would have agreed that the longer it takes then the better, but now that camp is starting a I don't think that.
Seems like several denials lately.
This one seems similar to the Oliver Martin case.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ilable-for-tcu-in-2019-after-ncaa-ruling/amp/
This article implies that the new transfer rules the NCAA rolled out in June are already being applied.... which is a huge crock if so.
https://amp.star-telegram.com/sport...ticle233378137.html?__twitter_impression=true
This one seems similar to the Oliver Martin case.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...ilable-for-tcu-in-2019-after-ncaa-ruling/amp/
This article implies that the new transfer rules the NCAA rolled out in June are already being applied.... which is a huge crock if so.
https://amp.star-telegram.com/sport...ticle233378137.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Can someone refresh on why Tate Martell got immediate eligibility?
Good one! All the Martin's would need to do is quote what he said to the NCAA, that would put the fear of God in them!
I still think Randal Grimes is the more similar to Oliver Martin than Matthew Baldwin.
Baldwin is a quarterback
Grimes is a wide receiver
Martin is a wide receiver
Baldwin grew up in Austin Texas. TCU is in Fort Worth Texas
Grimes grew up in Las Vegas Nevada. UNLV is in Whitney (East Las Vegas) Nevada
Martin grew up in Iowa City, Iowa. Iowa is in Iowa City Iowa
Baldwin endured a Head coaching change at his former school (Ohio State)
Grimes endured a change of Offensive Coordinator at USC
Martin endured a change of Offensive Coordinator at Michigan
Baldwin was denied
Grimes was accepted
Martin is still waiting
I guess we wait and see what will be.
What if his petition is accepted after camp ends but before season begins? Is that good or bad? 'coz I'm guessing iowa wouldn't be able to utilize him to his full potential this year but there would no longer exist the choice to let him sit out the year either.
Not following you here. Technically the season begins today with the first practice. I mean, there's not a break between now and the first game. I do see your point though, I'm sure he will get plenty of reps at practice.
On the off change he gets the waiver, he will be fine. Also, there is NO guarantee he is better than the players in front of him. Tempered enthusiasm would be good to have in regards to Martin.
At this point, I'm not very optimistic about him being eligible for this year.
He will play as soon as he is eligible, this year or next. Since he doesn't have a redshirt year, from now on any time not playing is time lost.
Unless he gets the NCAA to extend his eligibility which is a separate question on whether he can get a waiver to play right away.
Funniest thing I have heard in 3 yearsThat would be glorious.He will catch a pass against Iowa St. this year. How bitter will Twins be if he catches the game winning touchdown pass as time expires.
Twins would fart out enough Bovine semen to populate three generations of the West Texas’ ranching industry.
No kidding. Winning play as time expires against ISU. LOL, Iowa will have it wrapped up before then!
I hope they stomp the shit outta isu. I was laughing about the semen comment lol
Is there a deadline for him to be declared eligible to play this season?
My guess is the NCAA is gonna wait until that deadline has passed........
There is a significant change in preparation before the first game. Early part of camp(formerly 2 a days) conditioning, base plays, detail work, reps for more players. Then game prep starts, reps are for 1-2’s.
If Oliver were declared eligible today, he would be a back up right now....agree? I think he would be.
I wonder how far behind the current starters he is; he has to master the playbook, get the trust of the coaches, get timing down, etc.
The NCAA created this mess when they started granting waivers contrary to their specified guidelines:
"mitigating circumstances beyond the control of the student athlete affecting his health, safety, or well-being."
Martell got his waiver approved, apparently for two primary reasons: Meyer resigned so there was a coaching change. Second, Justin Fields transferred from UGA under laughable circumstances. Somehow, these two circumstances were deemed detrimental to Martell's health, safety, and well-being.
In each case, the transferring player was beaten out for the starting position. So, if Martin could show he would have face diminished playing time in 19, the NCAA should grant a waiver, no?
The NCAA is an f'ing joke and not a very funny one at that.
"mitigating circumstances beyond the control of the student athlete affecting his health, safety, or well-being."
Martell got his waiver approved, apparently for two primary reasons: Meyer resigned so there was a coaching change. Second, Justin Fields transferred from UGA under laughable circumstances. Somehow, these two circumstances were deemed detrimental to Martell's health, safety, and well-being.
In each case, the transferring player was beaten out for the starting position. So, if Martin could show he would have face diminished playing time in 19, the NCAA should grant a waiver, no?
The NCAA is an f'ing joke and not a very funny one at that.
What annoys me the most is they came out and said they're not going to be so lenient on transfers not losing a year of eligibility. They did this midway through the transfer year. It's all fine and good if you want to tighten up who gets to keep their year and who doesn't. But do it for next year's transfers.
well, that's good news!
what the hell is the hold up, I wonder?
if granted immediate eligibility, it will be interesting to see how soon he is used in games & how he is used
well... you gotta put all the papers in a folder... they want the whole process documented... so you make sure everything is spelled correctly... then you gotta have sub folders... in case you want to go back and look at it.... its a long process boys... just hold your horses
