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Being directed to make a call increases scoring.
Of course, mandatory awarding of points will increase scoring.

Being directed to call the non-stalling wrestler for stalling first, in lieu of calling it reversely the next period is more putting the winner in hand of the officials. versus the wrestlers. It's the very bottom line we want to avoid.
 
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Of course, mandatory awarding of points will increase scoring.

Being directed to call the non-stalling wrestler for stalling first, in lieu of calling it reversely the next period is more putting the winner in hand of the officials. versus the wrestlers. It's the very bottom line we want to avoid.
Not just scoring, but it increases action.

it actually takes it out of the officials hands. The only way it leaves it in officials hands is if neither guy does anything for the whole match. With step outs and exposure points, it is very hard not to score in a freestyle match unless neither guy wants to engage. If that’s the case, no room to complain.
 
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Miracle has tough first round draw. She lost to Long of CHN 6-1. Enough Time has passed to be improved. Go Miracle!
 
Not just scoring, but it increases action.

it actually takes it out of the officials hands.
You may like the increased scoring and perceived increase in action, but that doesn't make your second sentence accurate.

No matter how much you spin it, it's not taking it out of the referee's hands. When you're directed to call stalling on the guy who is not stalling in the first, with the hope you can pin it on the next guy the last period, so the non-staller in the first gets the last score to win, then it's a lot in the referee's hand.

Plus, it's just dishonest. Call what is actually there.
 
Not just scoring, but it increases action.

it actually takes it out of the officials hands. The only way it leaves it in officials hands is if neither guy does anything for the whole match. With step outs and exposure points, it is very hard not to score in a freestyle match unless neither guy wants to engage. If that’s the case, no room to complain.

. . . and Bigfoot sightings are more common than seeing seeing two engaged wrestlers.
 
You may like the increased scoring and perceived increase in action, but that doesn't make your second sentence accurate.

No matter how much you spin it, it's not taking it out of the referee's hands. When you're directed to call stalling on the guy who is not stalling in the first, with the hope you can pin it on the next guy the last period, so the non-staller in the first gets the last score to win, then it's a lot in the referee's hand.

Plus, it's just dishonest. Call what is actually there.
I did. It’s a rule set that forces action. It makes the wrestlers have to wrestle. We all know how it works, so it’s fair. Don’t like it, score points.
 
Wrestlers, especially at this level, know you have to be better than your opponent and better than the referee(s).

If you get screwed by the refs, it’s mostly on you. Anyone who has wrestled knows at some point calls are going to go against you. Executing on your strategy is the best solution.
 
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You may like the increased scoring and perceived increase in action, but that doesn't make your second sentence accurate.

No matter how much you spin it, it's not taking it out of the referee's hands. When you're directed to call stalling on the guy who is not stalling in the first, with the hope you can pin it on the next guy the last period, so the non-staller in the first gets the last score to win, then it's a lot in the referee's hand.

Plus, it's just dishonest. Call what is actually there.
go back to picking a ball out of a bag….right color and you win. that takes it out of officials hands. who really thinks up these rules?
 
The Greco team has a dude who never even qualified for state in HS. Sure it's pennsylvania, but come on.
 
It is always interesting to see the post Olympic doping results. Not say this particular case, but track and field had some incredible personal best leaps.
I was thinking the same thing. Also found it interesting how well some of the countries that have had the strictest lock downs were doing. Almost like maybe the state sponsored sports were being allowed to still train while the common joe was losing his job?
 
It seems being "directed" to do this indeed often leads to an official "dictating" a winner.

How about just call it according to the truth of what is happening versus a subjective tit for tat officiating strategy?
Good question. The reason for this, is:

There is no "stalling" in Freestyle or Greco. Passive is the term and is defined by "Lack of scoring points." Ergo, they can both fit the criteria. There is no OT, Extra Time, Mutual Winner, etc, so points have to be scored. If it gets to the point where there are points both ways, like 1-1, we at least fit the criteria of last point scored. If you Call it "according to the truth of what is happening" then by all logic/terminology, we are doing that....both are passive for "lack of scoring points"

Hope that helps
 
The best fix for this is overtime. Stay on your feet until someone scores, instead of last score criteria. An excellent rule which can be implemented from Folkstyle.
 
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You may like the increased scoring and perceived increase in action, but that doesn't make your second sentence accurate.

No matter how much you spin it, it's not taking it out of the referee's hands. When you're directed to call stalling on the guy who is not stalling in the first, with the hope you can pin it on the next guy the last period, so the non-staller in the first gets the last score to win, then it's a lot in the referee's hand.

Plus, it's just dishonest. Call what is actually there.

Liv4GOD- You are determined to make Folkstyle rule apply to Freestlye. Stalling is not even mentioned in the entire rulebook for either FS or GR. This is where you are trying to force a concept of 1 sport/discipline into the other. Think of it this way....Tennis and Pickleball or Badmittion are virtually the same thing, with different equipment, right? However, the rules are very different. If you are watching the Olympics and watch water polo and handball...they are virtually the same thing, just in water, vs a court. But the rules are different.

FS and GR DO NOT HAVE STALLING.... Passive is not an interchangeable word for stalling.... it is defined by the rulebook as being "Lack of scoring Points." If there are no points, then by rights, they are both Passive, however you cannot warn for passive on both wrestlers simultaneously. Which is why you go tit for tat.

What I think you would be better of discussing, is how you would like to change the international rules to have a Folkstyle component for stalling.... and that would be a fair argument of an opinion for yourself.

I encourage every single coach to attend an officials meeting when they can...as a coach myself, it completely opened my eyes on what officials were looking for, how the criteria is defined, etc. I swear it has made me better as a coach.... Also, it makes it easier to speak intelligently to other coaches, parents, etc, when they don't understand exactly what is going on, or why parents, wrestlers, etc. think they got "screwed"

Also, it gives ground to stand on, when parents scream "he is stalling" 😜🤪
 
Good question. The reason for this, is:

There is no "stalling" in Freestyle or Greco. Passive is the term and is defined by "Lack of scoring points." Ergo, they can both fit the criteria. There is no OT, Extra Time, Mutual Winner, etc, so points have to be scored. If it gets to the point where there are points both ways, like 1-1, we at least fit the criteria of last point scored. If you Call it "according to the truth of what is happening" then by all logic/terminology, we are doing that....both are passive for "lack of scoring points"

Hope that helps
No, it doesn't help. It's not the truth of what is happening to call a guy for passivity in the first who is the more aggressive wrestler.
 
Liv4GOD- You are determined to make Folkstyle rule apply to Freestlye. Stalling is not even mentioned in the entire rulebook for either FS or GR. This is where you are trying to force a concept of 1 sport/discipline into the other. Think of it this way....Tennis and Pickleball or Badmittion are virtually the same thing, with different equipment, right? However, the rules are very different. If you are watching the Olympics and watch water polo and handball...they are virtually the same thing, just in water, vs a court. But the rules are different.

FS and GR DO NOT HAVE STALLING.... Passive is not an interchangeable word for stalling.... it is defined by the rulebook as being "Lack of scoring Points." If there are no points, then by rights, they are both Passive, however you cannot warn for passive on both wrestlers simultaneously. Which is why you go tit for tat.

What I think you would be better of discussing, is how you would like to change the international rules to have a Folkstyle component for stalling.... and that would be a fair argument of an opinion for yourself.

I encourage every single coach to attend an officials meeting when they can...as a coach myself, it completely opened my eyes on what officials were looking for, how the criteria is defined, etc. I swear it has made me better as a coach.... Also, it makes it easier to speak intelligently to other coaches, parents, etc, when they don't understand exactly what is going on, or why parents, wrestlers, etc. think they got "screwed"

Also, it gives ground to stand on, when parents scream "he is stalling" 😜🤪
Yes, I conflated the technical term "stalling" with "passivity." But that is really irrelevant. That's not the issue and you are incorrect in that I'm not trying to turn freestyle into folkstyle. My contention is that it still puts too much power in the hands of the ref, especially the tit for tat system, especially in reverse order of who is really passive for that period.
 
I did. It’s a rule set that forces action. It makes the wrestlers have to wrestle. We all know how it works, so it’s fair. Don’t like it, score points.
You did what? I never said you didn't do something for you to correct.

And just because we all know how something works, doesn't make it fair.

You're stuck on this concept if you don't like it then score points. We are not in disagreement on that.

How people cannot see how calling the wrestler for passivity when it's actually the other one who is more passive is a convoluted system that needs corrected puzzles me. Just because it's better than the ol' ball grab, doesn't make it right.
 
I haven’t seen a tracker, but it seems Kyrgyzstan wrestling is doing awfully well this Olympics.
 
You did what? I never said you didn't do something for you to correct.

And just because we all know how something works, doesn't make it fair.

You're stuck on this concept if you don't like it then score points. We are not in disagreement on that.

How people cannot see how calling the wrestler for passivity when it's actually the other one who is more passive is a convoluted system that needs corrected puzzles me. Just because it's better than the ol' ball grab, doesn't make it right.
What you are saying is completely a matter of opinion. If you call a person for passivity, isn't it your opinion of who is being passive? That is an opinion call, not factual. You are missing the point there. No one says...Person A is being passive, so lets call person B for warning of Passivity . I think you aren't clear on what constitutes passivity.... for example:

Person A has the Underhook, which is considered by most as a power position move. Person B is controlling the wrists, as not to be tossed (blocking)....who is considered passive? By the rulebook, it is person A! LACK OF SCORING POINTS with a hold......
 
The best fix for this is overtime. Stay on your feet until someone scores, instead of last score criteria. An excellent rule which can be implemented from Folkstyle.
How can it "be implemented from Folkstyle" if it is not the rule in folkstyle? Folkstyle matches where the score is tied after all wrestling has been completed is decided by criteria (most riding time accumulated in OT) just like Freestyle is decided by criteria after all wrestling has been completed. Folkstyle has criteria just like freestyle it just takes way longer to get there.
 
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How can it "be implemented from Folkstyle" if it is not the rule in folkstyle? Folkstyle matches where the score is tied after all wrestling has been completed is decided by criteria (most riding time accumulated in OT) just like Freestyle is decided by criteria after all wrestling has been completed. Folkstyle has criteria just like freestyle it just takes way longer to get there.
I understand the Folkstyle rules. Let me be succinct. Have an overtime period in Freestyle and Greco until someone scores.
 
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So a potentially unlimited match? What could go wrong?
Nothing.
3 minutes then 30 second break go again. Have an injury time clock, if you exceed the allotted time, you lose. There are limits on how many times a challenge brick can be thrown.
 
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Nothing.
3 minutes then 30 second break go again. Have an injury time clock, if you exceed the allotted time, you lose. There are limits on how many times a challenge brick can be thrown.
Unfortunately after watching folkstyle vs freestyle. Having a tied score promotes inaction during regulation and then in OT….just holding on for that one mistake or scoring opportunity. I’m being converted to the criteria scoring of always having someone winning. It seems there is much more action in freestyle because of this.
 
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