OU Fans Want Out of the Big XII

[GBR_Atlanta]

Nothing to do with Iowa or Nebraska, but thought the article was interesting. Worth it for the YouTube rant alone. OU fans don't seem to be very happy with the Big XII. And everyone said Nebraska was crazy for leaving...
http://collegespun.com/big-12/oklah...w-calling-for-the-sooners-to-leave-the-big-12

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

*Not Everyone- Just others in the Big XII. Except for Missouri.

 

[meatloaf55]

One thing OU fans should be happy about is that if the Big 12 collapses, they will be on the right side of it

 

[grosie#2]

Always heard that OU is pushing the most for expansion and Texas is the most against it. I guess we'll see who has the most power inside the Big 12.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

Am I correct in saying the the Big 12 will dissolve if Oklahoma leaves?

 

[SoDakHawk]

Am I correct in saying the the Big 12 will dissolve if Oklahoma leaves?

Yes, or if Texas leaves. If either one of them leaves the conference the other is not going to stick around and babysit the children. Right now Texas is sitting high on the hog in cash with the LHN so they are fine with the status quo. Oklahoma is the one falling behind financially so they are pushing for expansion and a B12Network. Problem is there are no decent expansion candidates and the networks aren't interested in rolling out an expensive network when they are losing money and cutting costs. Oklahoma knows this, their calls for expansion are to give them cover for when they eventually leave. They can say they fought the good fight and tried.

ETA: Okay, maybe the conference won't dissolve if one of those leaves but they definitely lose P5 status and fall to the level of the MWC.

 

[5Fan5]

Am I correct in saying the the Big 12 will dissolve if Oklahoma leaves?

Could happen or it might pick up the necessary teams to retain status as a conference. The odds of that being one of the major conferences becomes less and less likely each and every day.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Change the thread on this to ISU to the MAC.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Oklahoma was 8th in the country in the last report with revenues from sports at $ 134 million a year, that puts them $ 29 million more than Iowa brought in for the same period. 2014/2015. For everyone hoping that they break away and sink the Big 12, I ask why would they? They are a football school in a conference that they can win every year, why go to the SEC and have to play Alabama and LSU to make the playoff. Why go the Big 10 and face Ohio State or Michigan. If they go to the Big Easy I mean Big 10, it pulls them from Texas, their major source of talent. I get, a lot of Iowa fans want to see the Big 12 sink, but even if it happened, ISU will not be in the Mac. As I read it today, there are 10 spots open to be filled in the other four conferences, ND takes one if they choose, but why would they, Texas would just go independent like ND in football, so those 10 spots would still be there. Remember this, its not a blog writer or ad's that make the final choice, but the university presidents. Those same people will never take W. Virginia, Okl St. Texas Tech, or Kansas St, over ISU because of there low academic ranking. Football matters, but only to a point. If it was all about football, neither Maryland or Rutgers would be in the Big 10. If the Big 12 goes under, ISU will find itself in either the ACC or Pac 12, neither is a perfect choice, but enough money to keep the program afloat.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Oklahoma was 8th in the country in the last report with revenues from sports at $ 134 million a year, that puts them $ 29 million more than Iowa brought in for the same period. 2014/2015. For everyone hoping that they break away and sink the Big 12, I ask why would they? They are a football school in a conference that they can win every year, why go to the SEC and have to play Alabama and LSU to make the playoff. Why go the Big 10 and face Ohio State or Michigan. If they go to the Big Easy I mean Big 10, it pulls them from Texas, their major source of talent. I get, a lot of Iowa fans want to see the Big 12 sink, but even if it happened, ISU will not be in the Mac. As I read it today, there are 10 spots open to be filled in the other four conferences, ND takes one if they choose, but why would they, Texas would just go independent like ND in football, so those 10 spots would still be there. Remember this, its not a blog writer or ad's that make the final choice, but the university presidents. Those same people will never take W. Virginia, Okl St. Texas Tech, or Kansas St, over ISU because of there low academic ranking. Football matters, but only to a point. If it was all about football, neither Maryland or Rutgers would be in the Big 10. If the Big 12 goes under, ISU will find itself in either the ACC or Pac 12, neither is a perfect choice, but enough money to keep the program afloat.

No, we all just see the writing on the wall. I hate all of the changes going on, I want the BIG back to 10 teams for crying out loud. But the B12 is doomed, I don't blame you for not seeing that since that would devastate ISU. We aren't openly rooting for the demise of the league but it is all but inevitable.

 

[Niko13]

Oklahoma was 8th in the country in the last report with revenues from sports at $ 134 million a year, that puts them $ 29 million more than Iowa brought in for the same period. 2014/2015. For everyone hoping that they break away and sink the Big 12, I ask why would they? They are a football school in a conference that they can win every year, why go to the SEC and have to play Alabama and LSU to make the playoff. Why go the Big 10 and face Ohio State or Michigan. If they go to the Big Easy I mean Big 10, it pulls them from Texas, their major source of talent. I get, a lot of Iowa fans want to see the Big 12 sink, but even if it happened, ISU will not be in the Mac. As I read it today, there are 10 spots open to be filled in the other four conferences, ND takes one if they choose, but why would they, Texas would just go independent like ND in football, so those 10 spots would still be there. Remember this, its not a blog writer or ad's that make the final choice, but the university presidents. Those same people will never take W. Virginia, Okl St. Texas Tech, or Kansas St, over ISU because of there low academic ranking. Football matters, but only to a point. If it was all about football, neither Maryland or Rutgers would be in the Big 10. If the Big 12 goes under, ISU will find itself in either the ACC or Pac 12, neither is a perfect choice, but enough money to keep the program afloat.

LOL! Here's how I see it shaking down: The Pac 12 will take Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and BYU making them full at 16. The B1G will take Missouri and Georgia Tech making them full at 16. The SEC will take Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. and Baylor making them full at 16. The ACC will take West Virginia, UConn and Notre Dame making them full at 16.
That leaves Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. on the outside looking in. I see all 3 heading to the Mountain West Conference. BOOK IT

 

[IOU1]

Isn't Mizzu already in the SEC and Georgia Tech already in the ACC????
Did I miss something, or am I just not hitting the sauce as early and hard as I should be in order to understand some of the conversations in this thread?

The B1G will take Missouri and Georgia Tech making them full at 16.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Isn't Mizzu already in the SEC and Georgia Tech already in the ACC????
Did I miss something, or am I just not hitting the sauce as early and hard as I should be in order to understand some of the conversations in this thread?

The ACC is not strong, the Mizzou prediction was odd though I agree. I could see UVA and GT to the BIG. Or OU.

 

[Southerniowacy]

LOL! Here's how I see it shaking down: The Pac 12 will take Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and BYU making them full at 16. The B1G will take Missouri and Georgia Tech making them full at 16. The SEC will take Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. and Baylor making them full at 16. The ACC will take West Virginia, UConn and Notre Dame making them full at 16.
That leaves Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. on the outside looking in. I see all 3 heading to the Mountain West Conference. BOOK IT

So Missouri is going to leave the SEC where they are making more money to go the Big 10, why would they do that? You have the Pac 12 taking three teams from Texas, why, just one team from a state gets you to charge more to the people in that state. So taking TCU would not make sense, Tech will never get into the Pac 12, look at the academic scores they and W. Virginia are at the bottom of the list. If W. Virginia was such a great school they would already be in the ACC, why are they not, low academic scores. Stop looking at what is the best for the big 10 and Iowa and look at how all the school totally match up. Football while important is not the most important thing here.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

So Missouri is going to leave the SEC where they are making more money to go the Big 10, why would they do that? You have the Pac 12 taking three teams from Texas, why, just one team from a state gets you to charge more to the people in that state. So taking TCU would not make sense, Tech will never get into the Pac 12, look at the academic scores they and W. Virginia are at the bottom of the list. If W. Virginia was such a great school they would already be in the ACC, why are they not, low academic scores. Stop looking at what is the best for the big 10 and Iowa and look at how all the school totally match up. Football while important is not the most important thing here.

The BIG makes more than the SEC but agree they aren't leaving the SEC. And they are toxic now anyways I would be pissed if the BIG tried taking that crap.

 

[Southerniowacy]

The ACC is not strong, the Mizzou prediction was odd though I agree. I could see UVA and GT to the BIG. Or OU.

People are looking at this with their heart and not their head, breaking up the ACC is what is best for everyone, and that is what will happen in time. Virginia and N. Carolina go to the Big 10, both strong academic schools, and larger states than Oklahoma. The SEC then improves themselves by taking N. Carolina St. and Virginia Tech, same reasons, more money from bigger states. That leaves the Big 12 to take Clemson and Florida St. football schools in a basketball conference, Pitt, G. Tech, Miami, and Louisville. Duke and the rest of the basketball schools from the ACC merge with the AAC to form a bb centered conference.

 

[whatsup13579er]

LOL! Here's how I see it shaking down: The Pac 12 will take Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and BYU making them full at 16. The B1G will take Missouri and Georgia Tech making them full at 16. The SEC will take Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. and Baylor making them full at 16. The ACC will take West Virginia, UConn and Notre Dame making them full at 16.
That leaves Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. on the outside looking in. I see all 3 heading to the Mountain West Conference. BOOK IT

The B1G would already have Missouri if they wanted them. They ended up picking Nebraska instead. That ship has sailed. B1G is going to poach 2 schools from one of the 3 lesser conferences, probably both from the ACC and one of them will probably be Virginia. GT is a strong candidate as well.

 

[paednoch23]

We aren't openly rooting for the demise of the league but it is all but inevitable.

Speak for yourself. I'm tickled pink at the demise of the Big 12. The U of I would reap significant benefits being the only P5 school in the state. HUGE BENEFITS.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Speak for yourself. I'm tickled pink at the demise of the Big 12. The U of I would reap significant benefits being the only P5 school in the state. HUGE BENEFITS.

LOL, fair enough. I like tradition, I hate what is going on but obviously thrilled that Iowa is in the BIG.

 

[paednoch23]

People are looking at this with their heart and not their head, .

This I find very Ironic...the Big 12 is dead face it. Sinerely, head speaker.

 

[Niko13]

So Missouri is going to leave the SEC where they are making more money to go the Big 10, why would they do that? You have the Pac 12 taking three teams from Texas, why, just one team from a state gets you to charge more to the people in that state. So taking TCU would not make sense, Tech will never get into the Pac 12, look at the academic scores they and W. Virginia are at the bottom of the list. If W. Virginia was such a great school they would already be in the ACC, why are they not, low academic scores. Stop looking at what is the best for the big 10 and Iowa and look at how all the school totally match up. Football while important is not the most important thing here.

Oh where to begin? Well for starters, Missouri would make more money in the B1G and save far more in travel and lodging costs. Georgia Tech has been rumored for the B1G for quite awhile now and it's only a guess but I believe they'll be the 15th or 16th B1G team.
From the Pac12 standpoint they need to get to 16 and if Oklahoma and Okie St. bolt to the SEC then how are they going to get to 16 without those teams? Iowa State? LMAO!!! BTW Texas Tech had an offer to join the Pac 12 when Colorado bolted. So did Oklahoma St. but both declined (which may have been a mistake)
I'm not looking at this for what's good for Iowa but I'm not going to pretend that ISU is not on the wrong side of the fence. If I was Pollard my ass would be really concerned about what is about to happen come the next round of realignment. Could be in a month or it could be 5 years from now but rest assured realignment is happening again. Next time the BIG XII implodes. The ACC looks much stronger today then it did when the BIG XII and ACC were both on shaky ground. Who's the only P5 conference left on shaky ground? Yep, that's your conference, skeeter peter!

 

[5Fan5]

Oklahoma was 8th in the country in the last report with revenues from sports at $ 134 million a year, that puts them $ 29 million more than Iowa brought in for the same period. 2014/2015. For everyone hoping that they break away and sink the Big 12, I ask why would they? They are a football school in a conference that they can win every year, why go to the SEC and have to play Alabama and LSU to make the playoff. Why go the Big 10 and face Ohio State or Michigan. If they go to the Big Easy I mean Big 10, it pulls them from Texas, their major source of talent. I get, a lot of Iowa fans want to see the Big 12 sink, but even if it happened, ISU will not be in the Mac. As I read it today, there are 10 spots open to be filled in the other four conferences, ND takes one if they choose, but why would they, Texas would just go independent like ND in football, so those 10 spots would still be there. Remember this, its not a blog writer or ad's that make the final choice, but the university presidents. Those same people will never take W. Virginia, Okl St. Texas Tech, or Kansas St, over ISU because of there low academic ranking. Football matters, but only to a point. If it was all about football, neither Maryland or Rutgers would be in the Big 10. If the Big 12 goes under, ISU will find itself in either the ACC or Pac 12, neither is a perfect choice, but enough money to keep the program afloat.

How did OU do as recently as 2014 in the big xii? You recall, no doubt, that to be the inaugural season of the national football four-team playoff. One conference found itself on the outside looking in and it was not the ACC as some team called Florida State was front and center.

There is one conference dominating conversations concerning its potential demise and reorganization. That is the big xii. Period. If or when Oklahoma and/or Texas decide to make a move to better there long-term stability in this picture, then the rest of the dominoes will begin to fall. Not the other way around.

Last item, I certainly hold no power at all, but anyone believing isu will ever find its way to the Pac12 is hoping against all odds. It will not happen in your lifetime.

 

[whatsup13579er]

How did OU do as recently as 2014 in the big xii? You recall, no doubt, that to be the inaugural season of the national football four-team playoff. One conference found itself on the outside looking in and it was not the ACC as some team called Florida State was front and center.

There is one conference dominating conversations concerning its potential demise and reorganization. That is the big xii. Period. If or when Oklahoma and/or Texas decide to make a move to better there long-term stability in this picture, then the rest of the dominoes will begin to fall. Not the other way around.

Last item, I certainly hold no power at all, but anyone believing isu will ever find its way to the Pac12 is hoping against all odds. It will not happen in your lifetime.

ISU needs to hitch its wagon to KU and hope to land in the basketball friendly ACC.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Change the thread on this to ISU to the MAC.

That is if the MAC even wants to take them.

With that article it does sum up the mess well with Baker Mayfield and how so many schools are split on issues with OU and Texas being the main 2. But could you imagine if Mayfield wants to play 1 more year as a grad transfer somewhere. That would be quite the battle for his services. (CBS sports article talked about it and how it was possible for him to do so after this season if he wishes).

 

[dekhawk]

Oklahoma was 8th in the country in the last report with revenues from sports at $ 134 million a year, that puts them $ 29 million more than Iowa brought in for the same period. 2014/2015. For everyone hoping that they break away and sink the Big 12, I ask why would they? They are a football school in a conference that they can win every year, why go to the SEC and have to play Alabama and LSU to make the playoff. Why go the Big 10 and face Ohio State or Michigan. If they go to the Big Easy I mean Big 10, it pulls them from Texas, their major source of talent. I get, a lot of Iowa fans want to see the Big 12 sink, but even if it happened, ISU will not be in the Mac. As I read it today, there are 10 spots open to be filled in the other four conferences, ND takes one if they choose, but why would they, Texas would just go independent like ND in football, so those 10 spots would still be there. Remember this, its not a blog writer or ad's that make the final choice, but the university presidents. Those same people will never take W. Virginia, Okl St. Texas Tech, or Kansas St, over ISU because of there low academic ranking. Football matters, but only to a point. If it was all about football, neither Maryland or Rutgers would be in the Big 10. If the Big 12 goes under, ISU will find itself in either the ACC or Pac 12, neither is a perfect choice, but enough money to keep the program afloat.

Maryland and Rutgers are in the BIG because of their population and TV Set$$.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Oh where to begin? Well for starters, Missouri would make more money in the B1G and save far more in travel and lodging costs. Georgia Tech has been rumored for the B1G for quite awhile now and it's only a guess but I believe they'll be the 15th or 16th B1G team.
From the Pac12 standpoint they need to get to 16 and if Oklahoma and Okie St. bolt to the SEC then how are they going to get to 16 without those teams? Iowa State? LMAO!!! BTW Texas Tech had an offer to join the Pac 12 when Colorado bolted. So did Oklahoma St. but both declined (which may have been a mistake)
I'm not looking at this for what's good for Iowa but I'm not going to pretend that ISU is not on the wrong side of the fence. If I was Pollard my ass would be really concerned about what is about to happen come the next round of realignment. Could be in a month or it could be 5 years from now but rest assured realignment is happening again. Next time the BIG XII implodes. The ACC looks much stronger today then it did when the BIG XII and ACC were both on shaky ground. Who's the only P5 conference left on shaky ground? Yep, that's your conference, skeeter peter!

The SEC paid out 34 million per school in 2015. the Big 10 was at 28 million, Missouri would lose money by going to the Big 10. Now with the new deal, the big 10 will go ahead of the SEC for a couple of years, but remember the SEC network has only been up and running for two seasons, and is more profitable already, so when they redo there agreement, they will push ahead of the Big 10. Travel wise, it would be about the same, its any cheaper to fly to Maryland, Penn. State or Rutgers than it is to travel to Alabama or Florida. As your point about the offers to Tech and O. State, those were only there if Texas and Oklahoma also came, there is no way the Pac 12 takes either one of those schools on their own. Just look at both schools academic scores, they are only above W. Virginia.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Maryland and Rutgers are in the BIG because of their population and TV Set$$.

Correct, nothing more, so football why important is not the be all to end all. Both are fine academic schools which did not hurt either. Both schools were also broke, Maryland was borrowing about 25 million a year from the school and Rutgers was at 38 million a year. Both schools had no other choice to grab the paycheck when it was offered. Helps both sides.

 

[Southerniowacy]

How did OU do as recently as 2014 in the big xii? You recall, no doubt, that to be the inaugural season of the national football four-team playoff. One conference found itself on the outside looking in and it was not the ACC as some team called Florida State was front and center.

There is one conference dominating conversations concerning its potential demise and reorganization. That is the big xii. Period. If or when Oklahoma and/or Texas decide to make a move to better there long-term stability in this picture, then the rest of the dominoes will begin to fall. Not the other way around.

Last item, I certainly hold no power at all, but anyone believing isu will ever find its way to the Pac12 is hoping against all odds. It will not happen in your lifetime.

Its not hope at all, it just makes sense, those spots are going to be filled by some school, ISu brings as more to the table than Tech, K State, does the Pac 12 take a private school like Baylor and their current scandal or TCU? You want to make only about football, I have shown it's about a lot more than just ISU poor football record. But that is what you are hoping and praying for, and you will be wrong.

 

[HawkTex]

LOL! Here's how I see it shaking down: The Pac 12 will take Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and BYU making them full at 16. The B1G will take Missouri and Georgia Tech making them full at 16. The SEC will take Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. and Baylor making them full at 16. The ACC will take West Virginia, UConn and Notre Dame making them full at 16.
That leaves Kansas, Kansas St. and Iowa St. on the outside looking in. I see all 3 heading to the Mountain West Conference. BOOK IT

Why would schools who play their games in the Central Time Zone want to move roughly half of them to the Pacific Time Zone? Any way you slice it, the smart move for Texas would be to the BIG.

 

[ichawk24]

The SEC paid out 34 million per school in 2015. the Big 10 was at 28 million, Missouri would lose money by going to the Big 10.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...s-see-revenue-grow-by-33-percent-in-one-year/

Each conference's approximate 2014-15 payouts per school: SEC $32.7 million, Big Ten $32.4 million, ACC $27 million, Pac-12 $25.1 million, Big 12 $23.3 million.

 

[Southerniowacy]

ISU needs to hitch its wagon to KU and hope to land in the basketball friendly ACC.

That would be my choice if the conference does fall apart. The question is can Kansas break away from K. State or will their BOR keep them together, same with Oklahoma and Ok. State. If push comes to shove Texas will end up there because they are the only conference that will allow them to keep the LHN, just like they do with ND.

 

[Southerniowacy]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...s-see-revenue-grow-by-33-percent-in-one-year/

Each conference's approximate 2014-15 payouts per school: SEC $32.7 million, Big Ten $32.4 million, ACC $27 million, Pac-12 $25.1 million, Big 12 $23.3 million.

So Missouri would lose money by joining the Big 10, just as I said.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

The SEC paid out 34 million per school in 2015. the Big 10 was at 28 million, Missouri would lose money by going to the Big 10. Now with the new deal, the big 10 will go ahead of the SEC for a couple of years, but remember the SEC network has only been up and running for two seasons, and is more profitable already, so when they redo there agreement, they will push ahead of the Big 10. Travel wise, it would be about the same, its any cheaper to fly to Maryland, Penn. State or Rutgers than it is to travel to Alabama or Florida. As your point about the offers to Tech and O. State, those were only there if Texas and Oklahoma also came, there is no way the Pac 12 takes either one of those schools on their own. Just look at both schools academic scores, they are only above W. Virginia.

You are so wrong on revenues, the BIG is well ahead of everyone and will be for the forseeable future, the BIG was ahead of the SEC prior to their brand new negotiated deal. The BIG network is the most viable/profitable of any of them and it is not even close. Who cares about Mizzou tho, there is no way they are int he BIG now, they would of been already if the BIG wanted them.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Why would schools who play their games in the Central Time Zone want to move roughly half of them to the Pacific Time Zone? Any way you slice it, the smart move for Texas would be to the BIG.

But Texas will not join without the LHN and the Big 10 will not allow them to keep it, so they will never go there. Last year Texas made over 40 million dollars from tv, more than any other school, that is why they do not want to see the Big 12 break up.

 

[whatsup13579er]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...s-see-revenue-grow-by-33-percent-in-one-year/

Each conference's approximate 2014-15 payouts per school: SEC $32.7 million, Big Ten $32.4 million, ACC $27 million, Pac-12 $25.1 million, Big 12 $23.3 million.

B1G $$$ is going way up with the new TV deal, too. And will go up again before the current SEC deal runs out.

 

[ichawk24]

So Missouri would lose money by joining the Big 10, just as I said.

You claimed a $6M difference, I showed it was $300k.

Welcome to ignoreland, and welcome to the MAC.

 

[Southerniowacy]

You are so wrong on revenues, the BIG is well ahead of everyone and will be for the forseeable future, the BIG was ahead of the SEC prior to their brand new negotiated deal. The BIG network is the most viable/profitable of any of them and it is not even close. Who cares about Mizzou tho, there is no way they are int he BIG now, they would of been already if the BIG wanted them.

The data and link posted above say otherwise. The SEC is making a little more than the Big 10 currently, the Big 10 will pass them under the new deal, and then the SEC will redo their deal and move back ahead.

 

[whatsup13579er]

But Texas will not join without the LHN and the Big 10 will not allow them to keep it, so they will never go there. Last year Texas made over 40 million dollars from tv, more than any other school, that is why they do not want to see the Big 12 break up.

I don't think the B1G wants to deal with Texas anyway.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

The data and link posted above say otherwise. The SEC is making a little more than the Big 10 currently, the Big 10 will pass them under the new deal, and then the SEC will redo their deal and move back ahead.

Wrong

 

[Southerniowacy]

You claimed a $6M difference, I showed it was $300k.

Welcome to ignoreland, and welcome to the MAC.

I used 2014 data, I could not find 2015 data, but it still shows the SEC makes more money than the Big 10 currently. That is all I am saying.