OU Fans Want Out of the Big XII

[paednoch23]

Thank you doctor Freud, it really has nothing to do with coping, anger or fear. I see the word relevant in your post. So I must be relevant to feel good about myself. That is silly, is it not. No, I do not want approval from Hawk fans, I really just want you to put your hate for ISU away for a second, and look at this problem from all angles. Instead of how this can hurt Iowa State. That is all, nothing more, nothing less. But I continue to see a lot of fans can not, its really a shame, but some people just have to hate to get by.

I see not problem and therefore I see no angles to look at. All I see is the POSSIBILITY of ISU losing their conference and losing P5 status. That Possibility has everything to do with the extremely positive impact on the University of Iowa Sports programs. Very very exciting times in my opinion. Just super exciting. There I said nothing derogative about Iowa State. Just simply stating the impact behind a possibility. (A possibility that continues to creep towards reality)

 

[Southerniowacy]

I see not problem and therefore I see no angles to look at. All I see is the POSSIBILITY of ISU losing their conference and losing P5 status. That Possibility has everything to do with the extremely positive impact on the University of Iowa Sports programs. Very very exciting times in my opinion. Just super exciting. There I said nothing derogative about Iowa State. Just simply stating the impact behind a possibility. (A possibility that continues to creep towards reality)

I'll bet you hated the news today of the Big 12 voting to have a conference championship game starting in 2017, and each school receiving 30 million from their tv rights this past year, up 20% from a year ago. Keep hoping for the death of the big 12, along with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

 

[Southerniowacy]

He is right about that, give or take a million or so. The Big XII gave each school a shade over $23 million last year for shared TV revenues. In addition to that, Texas gets a guaranteed $15 million a year from ESPN for the Longhorn Network.

No clone, I was wrong, they did not receive 25 million per school last year, it was 30 per school this past year. So I underestimated by 5 million. Texas brought in 45.4 million from TV this past year.

 

[Lone Clone]

I see not problem and therefore I see no angles to look at. All I see is the POSSIBILITY of ISU losing their conference and losing P5 status. That Possibility has everything to do with the extremely positive impact on the University of Iowa Sports programs. Very very exciting times in my opinion. Just super exciting. There I said nothing derogative about Iowa State. Just simply stating the impact behind a possibility. (A possibility that continues to creep towards reality)

I hesitate to join this, because you've made it pretty clear what you are praying will happen. But while I agree that pretty much anything bad that happens to one of the schools is good for the other, I think you may be exaggerating the benefits to SUI if the Big XII implodes or is stolen by gypsies or something.

People here talk about the MAC.....I always figured that was just sarcasm, but I think some may think that's a serious possibility. It isn't. The biggest stadium in the MAC holds 31,000 and is seldom filled. That's just barely more than half what ISU averaged last year during a third straight woeful season. The misfit in basketball is magnitudes greater. So is the budget. So is academics. So is enrollment. As sarcasm, "ISU to the MAC" is fine; as anything else, no.

What is more likely to happen if the Big XII assumes room temperature is that the lower-tier members of the conference cobble together a league that includes themselves and some of the numerous schools that are usually mentioned when expansion is discussed. For the sake of argument, let's say Oklahoma and Texas leave and the other schools get together with Cincinnati, Colorado State, Air Force, Memphis, Houston, USF and UCF.

That probably wouldn't meet the criteria on this board for a "power" conference, and undoubtedly would be a step down from the Big XII, but it would still be major college football. I don't see how it would be that much of a boon to Iowa. The Hawks already get a major proportion of the in-state media attention; the donations shouldn't change, and the effect on ticket sales at Iowa City would be negligible.

Would it give Hawk fans such as yourself something else to gloat about? Sure. and maybe that's all you consider important......even though, as we're told over and over and over again, you guys don't really care about ISU.

 

[I4cy]

No clone, I was wrong, they did not receive 25 million per school last year, it was 30 per school this past year. So I underestimated by 5 million. Texas brought in 45.4 million from TV this past year.

so in 2017 with a championship game, ISU should bring in around 38 million

 

[spiderland]

Would it give Hawk fans such as yourself something else to gloat about? Sure. and maybe that's all you consider important......even though, as we're told over and over and over again, you guys don't really care about ISU.

Well, to be fair, we probably wouldn't have to keep telling you that if you guys wouldn't keep tugging on our pant leg over here...

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

Send them and Oklahoma State to the SEC

 

[BirdistheWord]

While B12 brings in the lowest among power five, but...the average per school is right behind the B1G due to having fewest members (10). SEC is top dog.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-most-valuable-conferences-in-college-sports.html/?a=viewall

 

[ThorneStockton]

I hesitate to join this, because you've made it pretty clear what you are praying will happen. But while I agree that pretty much anything bad that happens to one of the schools is good for the other, I think you may be exaggerating the benefits to SUI if the Big XII implodes or is stolen by gypsies or something.

People here talk about the MAC.....I always figured that was just sarcasm, but I think some may think that's a serious possibility. It isn't. The biggest stadium in the MAC holds 31,000 and is seldom filled. That's just barely more than half what ISU averaged last year during a third straight woeful season. The misfit in basketball is magnitudes greater. So is the budget. So is academics. So is enrollment. As sarcasm, "ISU to the MAC" is fine; as anything else, no.

What is more likely to happen if the Big XII assumes room temperature is that the lower-tier members of the conference cobble together a league that includes themselves and some of the numerous schools that are usually mentioned when expansion is discussed. For the sake of argument, let's say Oklahoma and Texas leave and the other schools get together with Cincinnati, Colorado State, Air Force, Memphis, Houston, USF and UCF.

That probably wouldn't meet the criteria on this board for a "power" conference, and undoubtedly would be a step down from the Big XII, but it would still be major college football. I don't see how it would be that much of a boon to Iowa. The Hawks already get a major proportion of the in-state media attention; the donations shouldn't change, and the effect on ticket sales at Iowa City would be negligible.

Would it give Hawk fans such as yourself something else to gloat about? Sure. and maybe that's all you consider important......even though, as we're told over and over and over again, you guys don't really care about ISU.

This is pretty much how I see it. If my fellow hawk fans are honest, Iowa isn't all that much more attractive that ISU, we just have the good fortune of being in a historically rich conference.

 

[hawkcub]

I hesitate to join this, because you've made it pretty clear what you are praying will happen. But while I agree that pretty much anything bad that happens to one of the schools is good for the other, I think you may be exaggerating the benefits to SUI if the Big XII implodes or is stolen by gypsies or something.

People here talk about the MAC.....I always figured that was just sarcasm, but I think some may think that's a serious possibility. It isn't. The biggest stadium in the MAC holds 31,000 and is seldom filled. That's just barely more than half what ISU averaged last year during a third straight woeful season. The misfit in basketball is magnitudes greater. So is the budget. So is academics. So is enrollment. As sarcasm, "ISU to the MAC" is fine; as anything else, no.

What is more likely to happen if the Big XII assumes room temperature is that the lower-tier members of the conference cobble together a league that includes themselves and some of the numerous schools that are usually mentioned when expansion is discussed. For the sake of argument, let's say Oklahoma and Texas leave and the other schools get together with Cincinnati, Colorado State, Air Force, Memphis, Houston, USF and UCF.

That probably wouldn't meet the criteria on this board for a "power" conference, and undoubtedly would be a step down from the Big XII, but it would still be major college football. I don't see how it would be that much of a boon to Iowa. The Hawks already get a major proportion of the in-state media attention; the donations shouldn't change, and the effect on ticket sales at Iowa City would be negligible.

Would it give Hawk fans such as yourself something else to gloat about? Sure. and maybe that's all you consider important......even though, as we're told over and over and over again, you guys don't really care about ISU.

Whenever someone states ISU to the MAC I think it's some sort of dig or they are just plain stupid.

While if the Big 12 would disolve it would be a step down wherever ISU ends up in. But not a gigantic one. Probably similar to MWC or AAC. With some luck they could even be playing in a conference that was like the MWC before TCU,Utah, and BYU left.

The advantages to Iowa would be long term not short term. As in the next generation of fans would look at Iowa to be a step above ISU.

 

[paednoch23]

I'll bet you hated the news today of the Big 12 voting to have a conference championship game starting in 2017, and each school receiving 30 million from their tv rights this past year, up 20% from a year ago. Keep hoping for the death of the big 12, along with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

I'm very surprised at this news because I mistakenly thought that they had already decided to have the conference championship game weeks ago. Sooo how could I hate news of something that I already thought was in place. Which means my stance stays the same... the Big 12 is done.

 

[paednoch23]

I'll bet you hated the news today .

Well, we know the OU fans hated the news. OU will go with the sensus fidelium

http://oklahoma.247sports.com/Board/86/Contents/Big-12-adds-back-championship-game-45624809

 

[DodgerHawki]

Again, I will ask the question, why if you are Oklahoma, would you leave a conference that you can win any given year, and are 8th in the country in money made? So you are pissed that Texas is making more, and you think you should be the top dog, I get it. But do they really want to move to the SEC and play Alabama and LSU? Move out of your talent area of Texas and play in the big 10?
Look, I never thought for a minute that texas was leaving the big 12, they wanted the LHN, and by saying they may leave they got it. Oklahoma is now doing the same thing, can they leave, sure they can. But they just want a better deal, buyout Texas and set up a Big 12 network and they will be happy. Or they can go to the SEC and make the final four about once a decade. Its up to them.

I agree with you that it's not given Oklahoma leaves. In fact, if OU is thinking just with its head, it won't leave the B12. As it is today, they are one of the major players in a major conference, which gives them an opportunity to go the football playoff in a year where they win the league title. But people (and people lead schools) don't always think with their brains. From what OU is saying (basically Boren) they are tired of having the conference teams being led around by Texas. OU considers itself to be a football power (and it is), so why should they just let continue a situation where one of its major rivals is allowed to increase its brand and revenue by having its own network? There's a reason ESPN or the other networks haven't jumped in to offer a "Sooner Network," because there isn't the market for such a thing (at least not at anything approaching a $15M annual payout to Oklahoma).

For long-lasting security, the B12 needs to get to a situation where all the schools in the league are treated equally, at least in terms of TV deals. In the B1G, Purdue gets as much from the money from ESPN and BTN as does Ohio State. Same in the SEC. Vanderbilt gets as much as does Alabama.

 

[MITCH492]

When does OU make the decision one way or another?

 

[Packer54]

so in 2017 with a championship game, ISU should bring in around 38 million

About 10 million per win.....not bad. Pollard is a genius

 

[Lone Clone]

I'm very surprised at this news because I mistakenly thought that they had already decided to have the conference championship game weeks ago. Sooo how could I hate news of something that I already thought was in place. Which means my stance stays the same... the Big 12 is done.

I know you desperately hope that's true, but the news out of the league meeting puts an entirely different spin on it.

One point that may not mean much in the long run, but is certainly relevant to some of the claims being made here, is that the revenue distribution for TV rights the past year was over $30 million, not the $23+ million that was estimated and that was used to show how much less the league members were getting than those in the SEC and BiG. In fact, when Tier 3 rights are counted for all schools, some of the Big XII teams clearly are getting more than any BiG teams, and few -- if any -- are getting less, certainly not significantly less. (Talking strictly TV rights here).

Moreover, it looks like the Big XII decision on expansion will have a ripple effect of importance to the future BiG television contract with ESPN....which is a bit ironic.

And apparently they relented and granted Mayfield another year of eligibility at OU, which should quiet the natives there for awhile.

If you want me to provide a link to information about the meetings, I'll be happy to do so, but I won't bother if you aren't interested.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Actually, the SEC is locked in until 2034, 18 years from now. Part of the SEC network agreement was to extend the deal until 2034.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9235260/sec-espn-announce-sec-network-2014

The SEC and ESPN announced a 20-year agreement and rights extension on Thursday. The deal includes a new television network and digital platform that will show SEC sports 24/7, including more than 1,000 events in the first year.

The extension means the SEC will have its games on ESPN's family of networks, plus the SEC Network, through 2034.

It must be their CBS package that runs out in 6-7 years. Either way, 20 years tied to ESPN looks like a scary deal right now.

 

[CyCity]

Another Cyclone fan in denial in this thread.

You need to listen Cyclone fans and think with your head on this one. Does ISU have good academics, yes they do. But the bottom line is unless ISU can bring more than roughly $25 million/season worth of value to a potential conference they will not be extended an offer. Why? Because anything less than that number means the schools extending the offer will be taking a pay cut. Schools aren't about to take a pay cut. They aren't about to extend invites out of the goodness of their heart just because some school in a far away place with little to offer for demographics finds themselves outside of the P5.

News flash Cyclone fans, you aren't a P5 school. That doesn't mean you can't be a quality academic school with solid basketball and a well rounded athletic dept. It just means, that for football purposes, you aren't competing with the big dogs, which is no big deal because you never really have been competitive anyway.

Best thing for ISU and the rest of the leftovers in the Big 12 is to raid the MWC and AAC. Backfill with some like schools and continue on as a solid conference, kind of like the Big East used to be. But nobody is going to consider you as being a (now) P4 conference.

Iowa State is a P5 school. They play in the Big 12

 

[SoDakHawk]

I hesitate to join this, because you've made it pretty clear what you are praying will happen. But while I agree that pretty much anything bad that happens to one of the schools is good for the other, I think you may be exaggerating the benefits to SUI if the Big XII implodes or is stolen by gypsies or something.

People here talk about the MAC.....I always figured that was just sarcasm, but I think some may think that's a serious possibility. It isn't. The biggest stadium in the MAC holds 31,000 and is seldom filled. That's just barely more than half what ISU averaged last year during a third straight woeful season. The misfit in basketball is magnitudes greater. So is the budget. So is academics. So is enrollment. As sarcasm, "ISU to the MAC" is fine; as anything else, no.

What is more likely to happen if the Big XII assumes room temperature is that the lower-tier members of the conference cobble together a league that includes themselves and some of the numerous schools that are usually mentioned when expansion is discussed. For the sake of argument, let's say Oklahoma and Texas leave and the other schools get together with Cincinnati, Colorado State, Air Force, Memphis, Houston, USF and UCF.

That probably wouldn't meet the criteria on this board for a "power" conference, and undoubtedly would be a step down from the Big XII, but it would still be major college football. I don't see how it would be that much of a boon to Iowa. The Hawks already get a major proportion of the in-state media attention; the donations shouldn't change, and the effect on ticket sales at Iowa City would be negligible.

Would it give Hawk fans such as yourself something else to gloat about? Sure. and maybe that's all you consider important......even though, as we're told over and over and over again, you guys don't really care about ISU.

LC, your scenario is actually something ISU should wish for. The remaining Big 12 schools could put together a very solid major conference with some members of the MWC and AAC. More importantly for Cyclone fans it would give ISU a chance at winning such a conference, and they would win at a higher rate, I don't doubt that. Winning cures everything and the fan base would get on board. It doesn't matter if the wins don't come against P5 teams, example A is Boise State. They have put up good seasons in the MWC against sub-par (non P5) competition and then pulled off some one off upsets. My opinion is that BSU has always been a pretender, but winning the MWC has put them in a position to play in the big game. ISU never gets that opportunity. Dropping down to the second rank of major college football might be beneficial to ISU football. Maybe us Iowa fans should hope the Big 12 continues to limp on and the Clones continue to get beat down in it every year.

 

[SoDakHawk]

I agree with you that it's not given Oklahoma leaves. In fact, if OU is thinking just with its head, it won't leave the B12. As it is today, they are one of the major players in a major conference, which gives them an opportunity to go the football playoff in a year where they win the league title. But people (and people lead schools) don't always think with their brains. From what OU is saying (basically Boren) they are tired of having the conference teams being led around by Texas. OU considers itself to be a football power (and it is), so why should they just let continue a situation where one of its major rivals is allowed to increase its brand and revenue by having its own network? There's a reason ESPN or the other networks haven't jumped in to offer a "Sooner Network," because there isn't the market for such a thing (at least not at anything approaching a $15M annual payout to Oklahoma).

For long-lasting security, the B12 needs to get to a situation where all the schools in the league are treated equally, at least in terms of TV deals. In the B1G, Purdue gets as much from the money from ESPN and BTN as does Ohio State. Same in the SEC. Vanderbilt gets as much as does Alabama.

OU is thinking with its head. They are looking to the future and a changing landscape where they are becoming one of the financial have-nots. Sure, they are a power player right now but in order to maintain that position they have to stay in the same financial district as the SEC and BIG schools. Not only that but as the deal currently sits, Texas is in that financial company with the LHN and is outdistancing Oklahoma. Soon OU will be at a financial disadvantage to the other P5 schools as well as having a major financial disadvantage against its rival conference foe. OU cannot stand pat and let the gap widen any further. To do so would be suicide for their program. They are one bad hire away from being not only financially disadvantaged but also a has been formerly great football school. Army used to be a football power, so did Minnesota, so did quite a few other schools. Maybe OU doesn't want to become one of those has beens.

 

[Southerniowacy]

LC, your scenario is actually something ISU should wish for. The remaining Big 12 schools could put together a very solid major conference with some members of the MWC and AAC. More importantly for Cyclone fans it would give ISU a chance at winning such a conference, and they would win at a higher rate, I don't doubt that. Winning cures everything and the fan base would get on board. It doesn't matter if the wins don't come against P5 teams, example A is Boise State. They have put up good seasons in the MWC against sub-par (non P5) competition and then pulled off some one off upsets. My opinion is that BSU has always been a pretender, but winning the MWC has put them in a position to play in the big game. ISU never gets that opportunity. Dropping down to the second rank of major college football might be beneficial to ISU football. Maybe us Iowa fans should hope the Big 12 continues to limp on and the Clones continue to get beat down in it every year.

But at what cost? The fan base is already on board, the loss of revenue from the current tv deal to a new one in this sort of conference would destroy ISU athletically, the money would not be there to do anything. The price would be to high for a few more wins. The only program that would benefit from the big twelve falling apart in this state is the U of I. That is why so many Iowa fans want to see it happen, and even then, it would take a generation for Iowa to see gain and increase in fan support and dollars.

 

[Southerniowacy]

OU is thinking with its head. They are looking to the future and a changing landscape where they are becoming one of the financial have-nots. Sure, they are a power player right now but in order to maintain that position they have to stay in the same financial district as the SEC and BIG schools. Not only that but as the deal currently sits, Texas is in that financial company with the LHN and is outdistancing Oklahoma. Soon OU will be at a financial disadvantage to the other P5 schools as well as having a major financial disadvantage against its rival conference foe. OU cannot stand pat and let the gap widen any further. To do so would be suicide for their program. They are one bad hire away from being not only financially disadvantaged but also a has been formerly great football school. Army used to be a football power, so did Minnesota, so did quite a few other schools. Maybe OU doesn't want to become one of those has beens.

OU was 8th last year in total athletic revenue, they are not hurting in money, pride maybe, but not money. The are in a conference that they can reasonably be assured of winning every two to three years, they are a national brand. Why give that up for a few million dollars and end up facing LSU and Alabama or OSU and Michigan every year. Just does not make sense, OU is pushing for a better deal, they will get enough to keep them happy, the conference championship game has already been announced, with an increase of 20% in revenue and another 3 to 4 million per school with the championship game. When its all over, OU will be fine, and stay in the Big 12.

 

[CyCity]

LC, your scenario is actually something ISU should wish for. The remaining Big 12 schools could put together a very solid major conference with some members of the MWC and AAC. More importantly for Cyclone fans it would give ISU a chance at winning such a conference, and they would win at a higher rate, I don't doubt that. Winning cures everything and the fan base would get on board. It doesn't matter if the wins don't come against P5 teams, example A is Boise State. They have put up good seasons in the MWC against sub-par (non P5) competition and then pulled off some one off upsets. My opinion is that BSU has always been a pretender, but winning the MWC has put them in a position to play in the big game. ISU never gets that opportunity. Dropping down to the second rank of major college football might be beneficial to ISU football. Maybe us Iowa fans should hope the Big 12 continues to limp on and the Clones continue to get beat down in it every year.

Not if it was going to cost Iowa State millions of dollars

 

[icu81222]

Anybody want to bet that Southerniowacy is actually Jamie Pollards handle?

 

[iclone]

http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=16710

 

[whatsup13579er]

http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=16710

Whats your point?

 

[iclone]

Whats your point?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...0-06-24-iowa-senators-big-ten-expansion_N.htm

 

[Lone Clone]

OU is thinking with its head. They are looking to the future and a changing landscape where they are becoming one of the financial have-nots. Sure, they are a power player right now but in order to maintain that position they have to stay in the same financial district as the SEC and BIG schools. Not only that but as the deal currently sits, Texas is in that financial company with the LHN and is outdistancing Oklahoma. Soon OU will be at a financial disadvantage to the other P5 schools as well as having a major financial disadvantage against its rival conference foe. OU cannot stand pat and let the gap widen any further. To do so would be suicide for their program. They are one bad hire away from being not only financially disadvantaged but also a has been formerly great football school. Army used to be a football power, so did Minnesota, so did quite a few other schools. Maybe OU doesn't want to become one of those has beens.

I agree that OU is thinking with its head. That's why the Sooners aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The few fans who want to leave the Big XII, on the other hand, are not thinking with their heads.

 

[Lone Clone]

LC, your scenario is actually something ISU should wish for. The remaining Big 12 schools could put together a very solid major conference with some members of the MWC and AAC. More importantly for Cyclone fans it would give ISU a chance at winning such a conference, and they would win at a higher rate, I don't doubt that. Winning cures everything and the fan base would get on board. It doesn't matter if the wins don't come against P5 teams, example A is Boise State. They have put up good seasons in the MWC against sub-par (non P5) competition and then pulled off some one off upsets. My opinion is that BSU has always been a pretender, but winning the MWC has put them in a position to play in the big game. ISU never gets that opportunity. Dropping down to the second rank of major college football might be beneficial to ISU football. Maybe us Iowa fans should hope the Big 12 continues to limp on and the Clones continue to get beat down in it every year.

There is much truth in what you say here. From a strictly selfish standpoint, ISU should favor expansion, because the teams that are added almost certainly aren't going to be as good as the better ones in the league now.

On the other hand, expansion can cost money. For example, take the $1 billion that ESPN is obligated to cough up if the Big XII adds four teams. As someone pointed out, when you consider the whole pot, and divide it by 14, each school might well end up with less than it's getting now.

And the team still has to win. The thing that ultimately led to Mac's departure was the failure to take advantage in '04 and '05 when ISU had a very weak conference schedule. The team should have played in the CCG each year -- would have gotten demolished, but still should have played in it -- but found a way to screw the pooch in the final game against bad teams both years.

BTW, the numbers for the Big XII are awfully, awfully healthy for a league that's "limping."

 

[grosie#2]

Also heard the Big 12 will go to a Championship game in 2017. It will be interesting to see if the conference splits into divisions of 5. The only way this works is if the Big 12 teams start playing some meaningfull non-confererence games and go back to playing 8 inter-league games. Otherwise it's just the 1st and 2nd place teams playing a 2nd game, winner take all. How important would that be if they spilt games. I guess it would mean Big 12 missing the playoffs, again.

 

[HerkyFan]

Whenever someone states ISU to the MAC I think it's some sort of dig or they are just plain stupid.

While if the Big 12 would disolve it would be a step down wherever ISU ends up in. But not a gigantic one. Probably similar to MWC or AAC. With some luck they could even be playing in a conference that was like the MWC before TCU,Utah, and BYU left.

The advantages to Iowa would be long term not short term. As in the next generation of fans would look at Iowa to be a step above ISU.

I agree that the impact would be more in the long term. If Iowa remains in a P5 conference and the Big 12 is no longer a P5 conference then the financial advantages will really start to pile up. Hard to believe that wouldn't have an impact at all on either of the schools overall Athletic Departments.

 

[SoDakHawk]

Yep, that Big 12 CCG is going to screw some team out of a chance at the playoffs, book it. I can easily see an undefeated Big 12 team (with a spot firmly in the CFP) losing in the CCG to a team they had already defeated in-season. Then all the Big12 people will be furious about getting locked out of the CFP.

And LC, ISU would lose money in TV revenue but the crux of my argument is that ISU wouldn't be participating in the P5 arms race, think cost containment, so net revenue would remain equal. They could still win a decent major conference championship, and still field good basketball teams and other sports, just that they wouldn't be P5 anymore and their shot at CFP would come through "earned access" (if you followed other NCAA Divisions football playoffs you know the term) of an expanded playoff. ISU has never been in competition for a national title late in the year (unlike Iowa has several times over the last 15 years), so this change in football dynamic would not matter to the Clones. I could make the case that playing a weaker schedule and winning the games would put them in better position to garner national attention for playoff consideration by being one of those outsiders trying to get in, ala Boise State. As it sits right now ISU is never going to be contender having to go through the Big 12 and will always struggle to break .500.

 

[whatsup13579er]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...0-06-24-iowa-senators-big-ten-expansion_N.htm

Care to explain why you're posting random links?

 

[Southerniowacy]

Yep, that Big 12 CCG is going to screw some team out of a chance at the playoffs, book it. I can easily see an undefeated Big 12 team (with a spot firmly in the CFP) losing in the CCG to a team they had already defeated in-season. Then all the Big12 people will be furious about getting locked out of the CFP.

And LC, ISU would lose money in TV revenue but the crux of my argument is that ISU wouldn't be participating in the P5 arms race, think cost containment, so net revenue would remain equal. They could still win a decent major conference championship, and still field good basketball teams and other sports, just that they wouldn't be P5 anymore and their shot at CFP would come through "earned access" (if you followed other NCAA Divisions football playoffs you know the term) of an expanded playoff. ISU has never been in competition for a national title late in the year (unlike Iowa has several times over the last 15 years), so this change in football dynamic would not matter to the Clones. I could make the case that playing a weaker schedule and winning the games would put them in better position to garner national attention for playoff consideration by being one of those outsiders trying to get in, ala Boise State. As it sits right now ISU is never going to be contender having to go through the Big 12 and will always struggle to break .500.

There is being out in left field, and then there is crazy, this is crazy. So ISU will have cost containment, by not having to "Keep up the Jones's", they would be ok financially. That is just crazy, ISU infrastructure for current sports teams are pretty much in place, the south side of the football stadium is enclosed, they built a new fb training center thee years ago, Hilton is old but still in good shape, the new basketball training center is built, ISU built a new softball field and track set up a couple of years ago. The only expense that ISU has to add now, will be enlarging the press box and adding suites, the cost of which will I would guess be around 70 to 90 million.

Here is what we know, each Big 12 school received 30.4 million from TV last year, plus ISU gains another 3 or 4 million from Cyclone TV, for a total around 33.4 to 34.4 million, its total athletic budget was a little over 68 million, ISU is in the black, barely but at least not in the red. Now compare that to say UCONN, their budget was 71 million this past year, but 27 million of that was paid by the school. Can you image ISU going to the BOR and asking for 25 million a year. The total value of the AAC and left over Big East tv contract is for 90 million total, not 90 million each year, but 90 million for the life of the contract. The Mountain West is even worse in terms of tv money provided. It would be like me telling my wife I have decided not to work this year, but do not worry, the money we will save in gas and my odd jobs around town will more than make up the difference. Its just crazy, I get what you are saying, ISU could win more games, draw more people, but even then, ticket prices would have to be lowered. Fans are not go to pay the same amount of money to see UCONN or Temple that they would for Texas or TCU, and those eastern school would bring nobody to the game. Keep trying, but ISU is much better off being in the bottom of the Big 12 or one of the other major conferences then going to the AAC or Mountain West.

 

[SoDakHawk]

Well then the ISU administration better get to work on how to balance the budget because the AAC or its equivalent is staring ISU in the face in a couple of years. They better have a plan with how they are going to deal with it. Hope and prayer is not a plan either.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Well then the ISU administration better get to work on how to balance the budget because the AAC or its equivalent is staring ISU in the face in a couple of years. They better have a plan with how they are going to deal with it. Hope and prayer is not a plan either.

I have stated my case a couple of times of why I believe ISU will land in one of the big 4 conferences if the big 12 would break up. As we sit here today, the big 12 is in better shape today than a week ago. It might break up or it might not, but with the GOR in place for the next 7 to 8 years, the earliest it will happen is five years. Stop hoping for the death penalty for ISU and concentrate on beating them on the field of play.

 

[Lone Clone]

Yep, that Big 12 CCG is going to screw some team out of a chance at the playoffs, book it. I can easily see an undefeated Big 12 team (with a spot firmly in the CFP) losing in the CCG to a team they had already defeated in-season. Then all the Big12 people will be furious about getting locked out of the CFP.

And LC, ISU would lose money in TV revenue but the crux of my argument is that ISU wouldn't be participating in the P5 arms race, think cost containment, so net revenue would remain equal. They could still win a decent major conference championship, and still field good basketball teams and other sports, just that they wouldn't be P5 anymore and their shot at CFP would come through "earned access" (if you followed other NCAA Divisions football playoffs you know the term) of an expanded playoff. ISU has never been in competition for a national title late in the year (unlike Iowa has several times over the last 15 years), so this change in football dynamic would not matter to the Clones. I could make the case that playing a weaker schedule and winning the games would put them in better position to garner national attention for playoff consideration by being one of those outsiders trying to get in, ala Boise State. As it sits right now ISU is never going to be contender having to go through the Big 12 and will always struggle to break .500.

Yes, an upset in the title game could cost a spot in the playoff. What else is new? Everybody -- not just you, but a hell of a lot of Big XII fans -- seems to have a memory gap for the dozen years or so when the conference had a championship game. It cost the league a spot in the NC picture at least twice, and perhaps more frequently. I think I read somewhere that the underdog won at least half a dozen times. The most striking was when an undefeated Kansas State team was upset by A&M in overtime.

I don't know why people don't realize there are two sides to this coin, like every other coin. Look at the year before last. Neither Baylor nor TCU got into the playoff. But if there had been upsets in two leagues that had championship games, BOTH the Bears and Toads would have been in it.

There definitely would be advantages to being in a league that didn't have Oklahoma and Texas (although my guys waxed the teasips last fall). The team probably would win more games, and a football championship would be a realistic goal.

However, the disadvantages of not being in a perceived top-tier conference outweigh the advantages, IMHO. Primarily this has to do with money. It looks like ISU will be getting in the neighborhood of $35 million next year from the Big XII and its own Tier 3 TV marketing; a second-tier league wouldn't provide anywhere near that kind of money. All the football games are televised now, as well as all the basketball games and all the home women's BB games. That wouldn't happen in a league with less prestige. Recruiting would suffer, which means the product would suffer, which means winning more games wouldn't be automatic. Donations would go down, and so would ticket sales.......even ISU fans aren't going to pay as much to watch Colorado State and Cincinnati as they will for Oklahoma and Texas.

 

[paednoch23]

I have stated my case a couple of times of why I believe ISU will land in one of the big 4 conferences if the big 12 would break up. As we sit here today, the big 12 is in better shape today than a week ago. It might break up or it might not, but with the GOR in place for the next 7 to 8 years, the earliest it will happen is five years. Stop hoping for the death penalty for ISU and concentrate on beating them on the field of play.

The GOR is a paper tiger 4.5 pages long. The BIG 12 is in no better shape than a week ago. The SEC and the BIG are going to move to 16 and the top options are likely texas an OU. I will happen mark it.

 

[CyCity]

The GOR is a paper tiger 4.5 pages long. The BIG 12 is in no better shape than a week ago. The SEC and the BIG are going to move to 16 and the top options are likely texas an OU. I will happen mark it.

The general consensus out there is the Big 12 is much stronger this week than most thought they were last week

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-bold-big-12-and-it-could-affect-the-big-ten/

Great opening line: The question now is how bad-ass the Big 12 wants to be.

And more

Revenue has risen 20 percent to that $30.4 million figure. Bowlsby said that puts the league third overall behind the SEC and Big Ten. That's exactly where the Big 12 wants to be because it probably can't ever surpass those two powerhouses. And that's OK. The Big 12 matters again. Now it just needs to go out and chase the CFP each year. With that league championship game, it thinks it can.

 

[iclone]

The GOR is a paper tiger 4.5 pages long. The BIG 12 is in no better shape than a week ago. The SEC and the BIG are going to move to 16 and the top options are likely texas an OU. I will happen mark it.

Is this the assessment of your "attorney wife?" And did you mail in a request for a paper copy?