OU Fans Want Out of the Big XII

[ichawk24]

We are talking about the best overall institutions.

Iowa State offers academics that are at the bottom edge of the B1G, with a poor football history, while being the second banana in a small state. Their geography doesn't lend itself to any conference outside the B1G or the B12. Their football stadium size is a small plus, and hoops is a small plus. Overall, they are not an appealing addition for any of the P4, if B12 was to disintegrate.

The good news is the disintegration of the B12 is not as probable as some want to believe. OU seems ready to move, but an invitation to the SEC does not appear imminent. The B1G seems unlikely, but possible. UT seems really happy where they are.

I actually think UT would consider just sticking with the B12 if OU leaves. Some people think UT would go independent, but a weakened B12 is just as good an option as indy. The B12 supplies them with local scheduling for non-revenue sports. They could talk the league into dropping to 8 or even 7 conference games, then continue their model of scheduling strong non-conference opponents. If OU left, UT would be the unquestioned king of the B12, which is what they want.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Lets look at the list one by one
PSU was an independent, want to join a league, two choices Big East a bb conference or the big 10 a football conference. Big ten.
Nebraska- wanted away from Texas, thought they prolong their football success, Big ten
Maryland- Broke had no choice when the big 10 offered the money they jumped.
Rutgers-Broke even worse than Maryland, 37 million in the red in the ACC they jumped at the money.
Arkansas- Saw the SWC conference was falling apart and they jumped, if they had waited they would be in the big 12 today.
Missouri- Saw they could be left out if the big 12 went tits up, and jumped when offered.
Texas AM- wanted to get away from Texas.
Colorado- always wanted to be in the pac 12, when they offered they jumped even though the other schools stayed put.
Utah--Pac 12 or Mountain West, easy choice there.
No clue about S. Carolina.

Not sure what any of this means, but I guess if you are going to raid other conferences, be the first to jump to do it and get the pick of the litter. There is no single reason a school moves from one conference to another, each school is looking after their own self interests. If ND thought they could make more money by joining a conference they would, but they haven't. OU or Texas may or may not make the same decision.

Add OU to the 'wants to get away from Texas' crowd.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Maybe it is because the vast majority of your commentary is in 'absolute' form. Reread much of what you have posted. It was never, it is about all things, it was that it was NOT about football. If you want to continue down that path, then you will just have to accept that you are wrong. Football will be a very important consideration as it will be football that drives the revenue stream for most, if not all athletic endeavors for these schools. Yes, there will be other things to be looked at because it is not a vacuum like you want it to be in order to keep posting here at the rate you do.

In any case, you have not offered anything that supports isu as a football program.

I am not saying it is, but when I bring up Rutgers or Maryland neither is there for football but TV money. If it was just a football decision they would never had been invited. Football will be very important, but so will academics, along with is the school public or private. And we can never forget the thing that started all of this, ability to make more money for the conference.

 

[Southerniowacy]

We are talking about the best overall institutions.

Iowa State offers academics that are at the bottom edge of the B1G, with a poor football history, while being the second banana in a small state. Their geography doesn't lend itself to any conference outside the B1G or the B12. Their football stadium size is a small plus, and hoops is a small plus. Overall, they are not an appealing addition for any of the P4, if B12 was to disintegrate.

The good news is the disintegration of the B12 is not as probable as some want to believe. OU seems ready to move, but an invitation to the SEC does not appear imminent. The B1G seems unlikely, but possible. UT seems really happy where they are. Is ISU a homerun, no, only Texas or OU will be, but it may be a lot better than K State, Tech, W. V or O st. All things considered. And remember there will be 10 spots to be filled, 2 SEC, 2 in the Big 10,, 2 in the ACC and 4 in the Pac 12.

I actually think UT would consider just sticking with the B12 if OU leaves. Some people think UT would go independent, but a weakened B12 is just as good an option as indy. The B12 supplies them with local scheduling for non-revenue sports. They could talk the league into dropping to 8 or even 7 conference games, then continue their model of scheduling strong non-conference opponents. If OU left, UT would be the unquestioned king of the B12, which is what they want.

Only comparing the big 12 schools here, academics Texas is in the top 10, OU, Kansas and ISU were tied in the next group at 70th overall, 2014 data. Saw no data on TCU nor Baylor, the rest of the conference dropped off the ship, Tech was down around 170, W Vin. around 160 and OST and K State not much better. ISU was 3rd in the conference in fb attendance last year, and 41st overall, and in the top 20 in BB attendance. Yes, 61,000 is small compared to the some, but larger TCU, Baylor and K State. Its also an AAU school which the big 10 says it must be, no ISU will never be in the big 10, so do not start that. Geography means nothing anymore, W. Virginia in the Big 12, Maryland in the big 10. The only schools that will bring in the 25 million that Maryland and Rutgers did is Texas, will they give up the LHN or OU. None of the rest of the schools will. ISU has no value to the big 10 because of Iowa, but the ACC might look at it differently or the Pac 12 and their academics might see a nice AAU public university with 2.9 million homes to offer the Pac 12 network too.

Is ISU a home run, no not even close but outside of Texas or OU, and Kansas, none of the remaining
school are. But someone is going to get the 2 slots in the SEC, 2 in the Big 10, 2 in the ACC and the 4 in the pac 12. Why not ISU?

 

[Southerniowacy]

The 'fans' topic is in the other thread. This thread is centered around OU wanting out of the Big12 and what happens with conference expansion when that happens. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.

Many people, especially in the media, only talk about conference expansion in regards to football because that is all they care about. Conference commissioners take many things into consideration when it comes to expansion, more than just how did school X do in football last season. When you played commissioner earlier in this thread all you cared about was the most recent football success. That is a terrible model to follow if you're trying to keep a dying conference from going under.

And exactly who is everyone says its a football decision? Being in the B1G, we know the value of the academic side of things and how important TV sets are for the BTN. ISU's football program is not a selling point, sure, but location and being the 2nd school in a small state are also reasons why Iowa fans know ISU might be in trouble when the Big12 dissolves.

Not might be in trouble would be in trouble. They have to hope its not just a football decision, if its along academics ISU will be fine. The most important thing will be that no conference wants to double up and take two schools from the same state, does not bring in anymore money by doing so. The best bet for ISU is if somehow, OU and O St are split as well as Kansas and K State. If say the SEC would take both OU and State, and ACC took both Kansas and K State, a package deal, then ISU would be in trouble. Of course so would the big 10, as two of the pieces they are talking about taking would be off the board. That would leave convincing ND and Texas, neither will give up their tv gold mine.

 

[5Fan5]

I am not saying it is, but when I bring up Rutgers or Maryland neither is there for football but TV money. If it was just a football decision they would never had been invited. Football will be very important, but so will academics, along with is the school public or private. And we can never forget the thing that started all of this, ability to make more money for the conference.

Both Maryland and/or Rutgers have better football programs than isu - that is the point in so much of this. In the past decade alone, this weak Rutgers team that you wish others to buy into has produced seasons with 11, 8, 9, 9, 9, and 8 wins. Even have a rather decisive Pinstripe Bowl win in 2011 against some team from Ames, Iowa. The Terps have two nine-win seasons and eight-win season and two seven-win seasons since Dan McCarney left Ames. Maryland has eleven bowl victories which is one shy of the total number of bowl games that isu has ever appeared in throughout its history.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Both Maryland and/or Rutgers have better football programs than isu - that is the point in so much of this. In the past decade alone, this weak Rutgers team that you wish others to buy into has produced seasons with 11, 8, 9, 9, 9, and 8 wins. Even have a rather decisive Pinstripe Bowl win in 2011 against some team from Ames, Iowa. The Terps have two nine-win seasons and eight-win season and two seven-win seasons since Dan McCarney left Ames. Maryland has eleven bowl victories which is one shy of the total number of bowl games that isu has ever appeared in throughout its history.

In the Big East and ACC both are bb conferences, how did they do last year in the what was rated as the 3rd best conference in football, not the best or second best but 3rd.
They won two conference games between them and one of the them was when they played each other. 5 both schools were broke, running red ink and jumped for the money. To say otherwise is just foolish, the big 10 got what they wanted a payday. Not quality football schools. How was there football attendance, behind 3 win ISU. Both are fine AAU schools are they would not have gotten the invite, Maryland has a very good basketball program, Rutgers is a joke. It was all about the money.

 

[ichawk24]

There is absolutely zero chance of ISU in the P12. None, none, none. The P12 network has been a failure, and attempting to get it to work in Iowa is hilariously misguided.

Iowa has 1.2M households, not 2.9M.

The 4x16 is a fan dream. Schools aren't going to invite marginal additions like ISU or KSU just to get up to the fan's dream of 16.

My one prediction for the future of conference realignment is 4x16 will not come to be. We may go to 4 power conferences, but some may be 14, others 16, others 18.

 

[5Fan5]

Only comparing the big 12 schools here, academics Texas is in the top 10, OU, Kansas and ISU were tied in the next group at 70th overall, 2014 data. Saw no data on TCU nor Baylor, the rest of the conference dropped off the ship, Tech was down around 170, W Vin. around 160 and OST and K State not much better. ISU was 3rd in the conference in fb attendance last year, and 41st overall, and in the top 20 in BB attendance. Yes, 61,000 is small compared to the some, but larger TCU, Baylor and K State. Its also an AAU school which the big 10 says it must be, no ISU will never be in the big 10, so do not start that. Geography means nothing anymore, W. Virginia in the Big 12, Maryland in the big 10. The only schools that will bring in the 25 million that Maryland and Rutgers did is Texas, will they give up the LHN or OU. None of the rest of the schools will. ISU has no value to the big 10 because of Iowa, but the ACC might look at it differently or the Pac 12 and their academics might see a nice AAU public university with 2.9 million homes to offer the Pac 12 network too.

Is ISU a home run, no not even close but outside of Texas or OU, and Kansas, none of the remaining
school are. But someone is going to get the 2 slots in the SEC, 2 in the Big 10, 2 in the ACC and the 4 in the pac 12. Why not ISU?

For a plethora of reasons... all which have been discussed/debated here adauseam.

For the record, isu had the 'third largest stadium in the big xii' (where is LC with his mosquito metaphor when it truly applies), but they did not have the third highest attendance. Keep dreaming and hoping, but the chance of isu landing a berth in a conference located primarily along the east or west coast is more than just remote.

 

[5Fan5]

In the Big East and ACC both are bb conferences, how did they do last year in the what was rated as the 3rd best conference in football, not the best or second best but 3rd.
They won two conference games between them and one of the them was when they played each other. 5 both schools were broke, running red ink and jumped for the money. To say otherwise is just foolish, the big 10 got what they wanted a payday. Not quality football schools.

Are you by chance trying hard not to mention the Big Ten? You recall, the conference where the champion of the inaugural national football playoffs resides. How did the big xii do in the playoffs circa 2014 season?

You keep baying at moons that just are not there. Where did I or anyone else comment on the financial position of either Rutgers or Maryland? The only accurate sentence in your latest rant is that the Big Ten got what they targeted and desired. Interesting concept, isn't it? Instead of settling on say West Virginia and TCU, the Big Ten actually planned ahead, made informed decisions and strategically added two very strong east coast markets to the already sturdy footprint of the conference.

Both Rutgers and Maryland are quality football schools if isu is the comparison.

 

[Southerniowacy]

For a plethora of reasons... all which have been discussed/debated here adauseam.

For the record, isu had the 'third largest stadium in the big xii' (where is LC with his mosquito metaphor when it truly applies), but they did not have the third highest attendance. Keep dreaming and hoping, but the chance of isu landing a berth in a conference located primarily along the east or west coast is more than just remote.

Correct third largest stadium 4th in attendence by 150 people to O St that won how many games last year 10. The O. St. crowds for BB is nonexistent and their academics are at JC level. But in you mind, I am sure you truly believe that they will take them over ISU.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Are you by chance trying hard not to mention the Big Ten? You recall, the conference where the champion of the inaugural national football playoffs resides. How did the big xii do in the playoffs circa 2014 season?

You keep baying at moons that just are not there. Where did I or anyone else comment on the financial position of either Rutgers or Maryland? The only accurate sentence in your latest rant is that the Big Ten got what they targeted and desired. Interesting concept, isn't it? Instead of settling on say West Virginia and TCU, the Big Ten actually planned ahead, made informed decisions and strategically added two very strong east coast markets to the already sturdy footprint of the conference.

Both Rutgers and Maryland are quality football schools if isu is the comparison.

A lot better than MSU, remember them the team that beat Iowa, what did they get beat by 38 to 0. At least OU was up at halftime. Keep selling your crap there 5, picking and chosing your little facts. What is next ISU record against Minnesota, you like to run that one out there, but leave off the fact that all but 2 of those games occurred between 1890 and 1920. Like games played a century ago have a baring on the games played now.

 

[5Fan5]

Correct third largest stadium 4th in attendence by 150 people to O St that won how many games last year 10. The O. St. crowds for BB is nonexistent and their academics are at JC level. But in you mind, I am sure you truly believe that they will take them over ISU.

No one is stating the big xii to be some standard of excellence regarding attendance. YOU were the one that wanted to jump on the isu bandwagon for all things attendance and YOU somehow managed to even blow that one.

YOU need to argue with the isu fans that are steadfast to tell anyone that OU cannot move unilaterally without Okie State. If that is the case (I do not believe it is) then that answers your question because there is no other team for isu to hitch its wagon to now. If that is not true, then yes it will be fun to watch which of isu and/or Okie State is picked/omitted if and when the time comes.

(But, Okie State has much better football than does isu!)

 

[Southerniowacy]

There is absolutely zero chance of ISU in the P12. None, none, none. The P12 network has been a failure, and attempting to get it to work in Iowa is hilariously misguided.

Iowa has 1.2M households, not 2.9M.

The 4x16 is a fan dream. Schools aren't going to invite marginal additions like ISU or KSU just to get up to the fan's dream of 16.

My one prediction for the future of conference realignment is 4x16 will not come to be. We may go to 4 power conferences, but some may be 14, others 16, others 18.

I would not wish it to happen, what I am saying if and that is a big if, this 4 conference 64 team deal does happen, then the Pac 12 will need 4 teams. Those teams are going to have to come from some place, taking BYU does not increase the tv package, already have Utah. Would they take Boise St. nope, maybe a texas, but they will go independent first like ND. Then where do those 4 school come from?

 

[5Fan5]

A lot better than MSU, remember them the team that beat Iowa, what did they get beat by 38 to 0. At least OU was up at halftime. Keep selling your crap there 5, picking and chosing your little facts. What is next ISU record against Minnesota, you like to run that one out there, but leave off the fact that all but 2 of those games occurred between 1890 and 1920. Like games played a century ago have a baring on the games played now.

At least I recognize the importance of facts when claiming something to be factual unlike a certain someone that now posts here all day, every day.

Pick whomever you wish, ultimately it will not matter. Minnesota is eons ahead of isu when football programs/teams is the comparison. The fact that isu has such a dismal record versus teams like Minnesota and conferences like the Big Ten is an isu problem - no one else's. Nothing prevented isu from scheduling more games against various teams from other major conferences. isu elected not to do so. If isu is such a great team, call up your favorite AD and tell him your desire for isu to right all of the wrongs of football history.

Until then, isu is considered to be one of the weakest programs in all of major college football.

 

[Southerniowacy]

No one is stating the big xii to be some standard of excellence regarding attendance. YOU were the one that wanted to jump on the isu bandwagon for all things attendance and YOU somehow managed to even blow that one.

YOU need to argue with the isu fans that are steadfast to tell anyone that OU cannot move unilaterally without Okie State. If that is the case (I do not believe it is) then that answers your question because there is no other team for isu to hitch its wagon to now. If that is not true, then yes it will be fun to watch which of isu and/or Okie State is picked/omitted if and when the time comes.

(But, Okie State has much better football than does isu!)

But much worse academics, and remember its the college president not the AD that makes that decision. The only conference that would take O. St is the SEC, but why take them without OU? The best move for both conferences is to go after the large markets of the ACC. Virginia and N. Carolina to the Big 10, V tech and N. Carolina St. to the SEC, the big 12 picks up the rest, and Duke goes off the the AAC to play BB.

 

[5Fan5]

I would not wish it to happen, what I am saying if and that is a big if, this 4 conference 64 team deal does happen, then the Pac 12 will need 4 teams. Those teams are going to have to come from some place, taking BYU does not increase the tv package, already have Utah. Would they take Boise St. nope, maybe a texas, but they will go independent first like ND. Then where do those 4 school come from?

Here again with the absolutes. YOU do not know what the Pac12 might do if they choose to expand. Thinking that the probability of a team from Ames , Iowa will become a Pac12 member is near the limit of clueless as one can be.

BTW - both BYU and Boise State have better football teams than does isu.

 

[Southerniowacy]

At least I recognize the importance of facts when claiming something to be factual unlike a certain someone that now posts here all day, every day.

Pick whomever you wish, ultimately it will not matter. Minnesota is eons ahead of isu when football programs/teams is the comparison. The fact that isu has such a dismal record versus teams like Minnesota and conferences like the Big Ten is an isu problem - no one else's. Nothing prevented isu from scheduling more games against various teams from other major conferences. isu elected not to do so. If isu is such a great team, call up your favorite AD and tell him your desire for isu to right all of the wrongs of football history.

Until then, isu is considered to be one of the weakest programs in all of major college football.

5 your facts are crap, you pick and chose facts that support what you want to say. Nothing more than that. Yes, its a fact that 100 years ago, Minnesota beat the hell out of The Iowa AG college. What baring does that have to do with today? Why did yo leave that fact out when you posted it, because it hurt your argument. I have never said that ISU will be going to the big 10, just the opposite. The ISU schedule is where it should be, goal to win more games, why does Iowa schedule MAC teams, and insist on having 7 home games, because they can and it helps them pick up wins.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Here again with the absolutes. YOU do not know what the Pac12 might do if they choose to expand. Thinking that the probability of a team from Ames , Iowa will become a Pac12 member is near the limit of clueless as one can be.

BTW - both BYU and Boise State have better football teams than does isu.

What are the academics like at Boise? And if BYU was such a great choice why did the Pac 12 take Utah? You are running again there 5, trying to intimidate because you know you are wrong. What absolutes are talking about, if this new all great 4 league 64 team deal is going to happen the pac 12 will need to go from their current 12 to 16. What is absolute about that, or are you saying that the big 10 may just go to 18 or something like that. Would that not put them at a disadvantage?

 

[5Fan5]

But much worse academics, and remember its the college president not the AD that makes that decision. The only conference that would take O. St is the SEC, but why take them without OU? The best move for both conferences is to go after the large markets of the ACC. Virginia and N. Carolina to the Big 10, V tech and N. Carolina St. to the SEC, the big 12 picks up the rest, and Duke goes off the the AAC to play BB.

Again, you want to come across as some sort of expert with vast inside knowledge on how this will/may play itself out. Stop.

Yes, as has always been the case, university heads will decide to accept any invitation for their programs to become a member of another conference. If you even remotely think that any university president or chancellor will make that type of decision without 1) the full input from many sources, not the least which will be the AD and other athletic leaders and 2) the complete support of its AD (read all things considered including, but not limited to some substantial boosters) then you are just not dealing in realities here.

I am devoting less and less time to actually reading your drivel here, but I will go out on a limb and state that each institution mentioned has every bit and likely more tradition, history and performance from its football than does isu.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Again, you want to come across as some sort of expert with vast inside knowledge on how this will/may play itself out. Stop.

Yes, as has always been the case, university heads will decide to accept any invitation for their programs to become a member of another conference. If you even remotely think that any university president or chancellor will make that type of decision without 1) the full input from many sources, not the least which will be the AD and other athletic leaders and 2) the complete support of its AD (read all things considered including, but not limited to some substantial boosters) then you are just not dealing in realities here.

I am devoting less and less time to actually reading your drivel here, but I will go out on a limb and state that each institution mentioned has every bit and likely more tradition, history and performance from its football than does isu.

No expert just common sense, you say its all about football, when I say academics are part of it you now come up with this list. You have yet to explain why Maryland and Rutgers got the invite to the big 10. Do not play that crap you were not in the room, you know as well as I, it was for the money. You know 5 what gets me is the way you always talk down to anyone that disagrees with you. I do not do that, I have not called anyone a name, but you always want to go back to ISU and there bottom 10 all time football program, then sneer about it. Its garbage and beneath you, but you still go there. Have fun trying to get the last word in with others, thinking you are college football, bb and what ever expert on everything.

 

[grosie#2]

Back when the Big 12 loss Nebraska, and Colorado, then Missouri and Texas A&M, the breakup seem to be pretty likely. At that time it was thought by many college football experts that the Mountain West would take ISU.

Now that the Big 12 is going to add a championship game in 2017, that may stall any breakup for awhile. I believe it depends on if they divide the conference into 2 divisions of 5 teams and the nonconference schedules are strengthen by each team. Just adding a championship game and no divisions just keeps the statusquo. The best thing would be to add 2 more teams. Houston and Memphis would get my vote. The Big problem with expansion is no one in the Big 12 really wants to split the money pot among 12 teams. And then there's Texas who just cares about Texas.

I do think the Big 12 is just looking at the present and not the big picture. Down the road it would be to their advantage to expand. It might take a few times of missing the playoffs before they realize that.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Back when the Big 12 loss Nebraska, and Colorado, then Missouri and Texas A&M, the breakup seem to be pretty likely. At that time it was thought by many college football experts that the Moutain West would take ISU.

Now that the Big 12 is going to add a championship game in 2017, that may stall any breakup for awhile. I believe it depends on if they divide the conference into 2 divisions of 5 teams and the nonconference schedules are strengthen by each team. Just adding a championship game and no divisions just keeps the statusquo. The best thing would be to add 2 more teams. Houston and Memphis would get my vote. The Big problem with expansion is no one in the Big 12 really wants to split the money pot among 12 teams. And then there's Texas who just cares about Texas.

I do think the Big 12 is just looking at the present and not the big picture. Down the road it would be to their advantage to expand. It might take a few times of missing the playoffs before they realize that.

I think they would expand if they could find two teams that would bring in the money, neither of the teams you mention does that. I did hear an interesting idea on Sat. radio a couple of weeks ago, add Boise and BYU but only as football schools. Offer them a reduced rate of say around 15 million, down from 30.4 each school got this past year. I would think Boise would jump at that, huge increase from what they are getting now. BYU being independent, who knows how much money they bring in. But that way each conference school would only have to fly out one every two years at most, and only for football. Keep the other sports at 10.

 

[5Fan5]

No expert just common sense, you say its all about football, when I say academics are part of it you now come up with this list. You have yet to explain why Maryland and Rutgers got the invite to the big 10. Do not play that crap you were not in the room, you know as well as I, it was for the money. You know 5 what gets me is the way you always talk down to anyone that disagrees with you. I do not do that, I have not called anyone a name, but you always want to go back to ISU and there bottom 10 all time football program, then sneer about it. Its garbage and beneath you, but you still go there. Have fun trying to get the last word in with others, thinking you are college football, bb and what ever expert on everything.

You don't possess the common sense of a piss ant. That is evident from the incessant ranting you are doing here on a very regular basis.

Let's take this one in order, shall we? I did not come up with 'this list'.... swing and a miss by you.

I have already stated that the Big Ten strategically decided to add two mega markets to the Big Ten footprint. Ergo Maryland (DC) and Rutgers (NYC). Try reading first and popping off second once. Not understanding is excusable. Ignorance is not.

I address those like you exactly how you deserve to be addressed. Straight and no nonsense.

You have no further to look than to Ames, Iowa to see whom is responsible for isu when it comes to comparison or even scaling of football.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Back when the Big 12 loss Nebraska, and Colorado, then Missouri and Texas A&M, the breakup seem to be pretty likely. At that time it was thought by many college football experts that the Mountain West would take ISU.

Now that the Big 12 is going to add a championship game in 2017, that may stall any breakup for awhile. I believe it depends on if they divide the conference into 2 divisions of 5 teams and the nonconference schedules are strengthen by each team. Just adding a championship game and no divisions just keeps the statusquo. The best thing would be to add 2 more teams. Houston and Memphis would get my vote. The Big problem with expansion is no one in the Big 12 really wants to split the money pot among 12 teams. And then there's Texas who just cares about Texas.

I do think the Big 12 is just looking at the present and not the big picture. Down the road it would be to their advantage to expand. It might take a few times of missing the playoffs before they realize that.

The problem for the Big 12 is that the two school you mention do not bring in enough money to increase the each current schools share. They are going to split into two groups of five, we know that. I did hear and interesting idea on Sat. radio a couple of weeks ago, invite both Boise and BYU but only for football and at a reduced rate of say 15 million per year. Each school got a little over 30 this year, will make another 3 to 4 million next year added on with the championship game. I would think that Boise would jump at that, they are not making squat from the MW, not sure about BYU. That way each conference school would only have to go out there once every other year at most. The remaining sports would stay at ten.

 

[agr1858]

The problem for the Big 12 is that the two school you mention do not bring in enough money to increase the each current schools share. They are going to split into two groups of five, we know that. I did hear and interesting idea on Sat. radio a couple of weeks ago, invite both Boise and BYU but only for football and at a reduced rate of say 15 million per year. Each school got a little over 30 this year, will make another 3 to 4 million next year added on with the championship game. I would think that Boise would jump at that, they are not making squat from the MW, not sure about BYU. That way each conference school would only have to go out there once every other year at most. The remaining sports would stay at ten.

I personally would like to bring in CSU and Memphis, I think those are both good markets with reasonably good programs. That being said, I think this pissing match should be tabled until something actually happens. I feel this discussion is likely "much ado about nothing".

 

[grosie#2]

The problem for the Big 12 is that the two school you mention do not bring in enough money to increase the each current schools share. They are going to split into two groups of five, we know that. I did hear and interesting idea on Sat. radio a couple of weeks ago, invite both Boise and BYU but only for football and at a reduced rate of say 15 million per year. Each school got a little over 30 this year, will make another 3 to 4 million next year added on with the championship game. I would think that Boise would jump at that, they are not making squat from the MW, not sure about BYU. That way each conference school would only have to go out there once every other year at most. The remaining sports would stay at ten.

I heard on Full Ride, which features Rick Nuehiesel, that Herman, their football coach, made a big pitch to the Big 12. He stated that their new stadium is up to and beyond most Big 12 current stadiums. They upgraded all their football facilities and they have sold out most games. Herman also tried to sell the Big 12 on Houston as being an up and coming growing city. When Herman signed his new contract with the University of Houston they promised they would do whatever it took to get them in the Big 12.

Memphis has an alum worth billions who is trying to buy Memphis's way into the Big 12. He started Fed-X or some big corp. like that. He's willing to build a stadium or put up the money to sponsor the Big 12 championship game every year. He also claims Memphis is a growing city with much to offer.

With money these 2 schools have, I can see them buying their into the Big 12 if they were to expand.

 

[Lone Clone]

I heard on Full Ride, which features Rick Nuehiesel, that Herman, their football coach, made a big pitch to the Big 12. He stated that their new stadium is up to and beyond most Big 12 current stadiums. They upgraded all their football facilities and they have sold out most games. Herman also tried to sell the Big 12 on Houston as being an up and coming growing city. When Herman signed his new contract with the University of Houston they promised they would do whatever it took to get them in the Big 12.

Memphis has an alum worth billions who is trying to buy Memphis's way into the Big 12. He started Fed-X or some big corp. like that. He's willing to build a stadium or put up the money to sponsor the Big 12 championship game every year. He also claims Memphis is a growing city with much to offer.

With money these 2 schools have, I can see them buying their into the Big 12 if they were to expand.

The problem with Houston is very simple: Texas. My understanding is that the teasips definitely do not want Houston in the conference. Of course, my understanding on these matters is the same as everybody else's -- based entirely on rumor and innuendo.

I keep hearing that the Arizona schools might be receptive to an approach from the Big XII, for several reasons. That would be an excellent step, IMHO.

 

[agr1858]

The problem with Houston is very simple: Texas. My understanding is that the teasips definitely do not want Houston in the conference. Of course, my understanding on these matters is the same as everybody else's -- based entirely on rumor and innuendo.

I keep hearing that the Arizona schools might be receptive to an approach from the Big XII, for several reasons. That would be an excellent step, IMHO.

I've heard that as well about the Arizona schools, that would be a home run from a prestige standpoint and athletics. I have no idea about their academics.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Here again with the absolutes. YOU do not know what the Pac12 might do if they choose to expand. Thinking that the probability of a team from Ames , Iowa will become a Pac12 member is near the limit of clueless as one can be.

BTW - both BYU and Boise State have better football teams than does isu.

No, 5 I do not know, and guess what, you do not either. So if ISU is not one of the teams the Pac 12 will look at, please name those four teams and explain why, including how they do in Academics, not just on the football field, what was their football attendance? Keep in mind that by doubling up with two schools in a state does not increase the revenue from that state. I have made my case why ISU could be one of those team, you only way to refute that is by claiming they suck at football and Boise has a better record, how are they a better choice then their on the field record? Please enlighten us all.

 

[Southerniowacy]

I heard on Full Ride, which features Rick Nuehiesel, that Herman, their football coach, made a big pitch to the Big 12. He stated that their new stadium is up to and beyond most Big 12 current stadiums. They upgraded all their football facilities and they have sold out most games. Herman also tried to sell the Big 12 on Houston as being an up and coming growing city. When Herman signed his new contract with the University of Houston they promised they would do whatever it took to get them in the Big 12.

Memphis has an alum worth billions who is trying to buy Memphis's way into the Big 12. He started Fed-X or some big corp. like that. He's willing to build a stadium or put up the money to sponsor the Big 12 championship game every year. He also claims Memphis is a growing city with much to offer.


I doubt Houston will ever get into the big 12, Texas saw what happened to their recruiting when TCU was added, kids they would normally get, started to go to TCU. Houston realizes this is their last chance to get into a major conference, without the money from a P5 conference they will never be able to spend and keep up with the other four texas schools. Their home attendance was below 42,000 a game, they hit that mark one time last year. Its a large suitcase university, is what it is. They bring in zero new tv sets to the conference. Memphis is a little more interesting, but their attendance was below Houston last year, the stadium is old, but they do bring in a new state for tv. The best thing for the conference to do is wait, and see what happens. Try playing the two divisions of five teams, and hope the acc does not get their tv network up and running. Then in five years go after FSU and Clemson. Would those schools leave the ACC, no clue, but you can still try, the CLU's, Houston's and Memphis's of the world are not going anywhere, they will still be there five years from now.

 

[agr1858]

No, 5 I do not know, and guess what, you do not either. So if ISU is not one of the teams the Pac 12 will look at, please name those four teams and explain why, including how they do in Academics, not just on the football field, what was their football attendance? Keep in mind that by doubling up with two schools in a state does not increase the revenue from that state. I have made my case why ISU could be one of those team, you only way to refute that is by claiming they suck at football and Boise has a better record, how are they a better choice then their on the field record? Please enlighten us all.

Keep in mind, if the Big 12 makes some very intelligent, shrewd moves, they could go from volatile to very solid overnight. I wouldn't worry about the Pac12 at this point.

 

[And1Hawk]

The brass at ISU know the predicament they are in over the next 10 years as the landscape is going to change again. I cannot blame them for pulling out all the stops to push themselves into future consideration. They have strengths but also real problems though that cannot be dismissed nor changed.

ESPN is beginning to wobble and has some serious issues at its feet with technology & generation driving changes in viewership. All schools including Iowa & ISU outside of the 5-7 bonafide blue blood schools had better be thinking about their 10 year plan. Do not assume you are in a good spot. As viewership continues to drop for ESPN and it becomes harder to monetize it due to technology ESPN is going to be forced to drop some of its live sports assets. For college assets that puts a premium on what each school brings to the table in terms of market size, viewership and fan interest. An Indiana vs Purdue, TCU vs KState, Vandy v Kentucky, etc types of football matchups do not draw much national relevance over time and ESPN may begin to balk at paying money for this down the road as finances tighten. There's an ESPN bubble coming in about 8-10 years.

 

[agr1858]

The brass at ISU know the predicament they are in over the next 10 years as the landscape is going to change again. I cannot blame them for pulling out all the stops to push themselves into future consideration. They have strengths but also real problems though that cannot be dismissed nor changed.

ESPN is beginning to wobble and has some serious issues at its feet with technology & generation driving changes in viewership. All schools including Iowa & ISU outside of the 5-7 bonafide blue blood schools had better be thinking about their 10 year plan. Do not assume you are in a good spot. As viewership continues to drop for ESPN and it becomes harder to monetize it due to technology ESPN is going to be forced to drop some of its live sports assets. For college assets that puts a premium on what each school brings to the table in terms of market size, viewership and fan interest. An Indiana vs Purdue, TCU vs KState, Vandy v Kentucky, etc types of football matchups do not draw much national relevance over time and ESPN may begin to balk at paying money for this down the road as finances tighten. There's an ESPN bubble coming in about 8-10 years.

I agree, anything being considered for the future needs to assume changes in viewership, we are as old-school as anyone and we cord-cut years ago. I found it foolish to pay Directv $130 per month so I had access to 120 channels I never watched.

 

[hawkssox1]

[QUOTE="grosie#2, post: 2940963, member: 10652
. He also claims Memphis is a growing city with much to offer.

Yup one of the highest crime rates in the country welcome to the BIG 12.

 

[grosie#2]

[QUOTE="grosie#2, post: 2940963, member: 10652
. He also claims Memphis is a growing city with much to offer.

Yup one of the highest crime rates in the country welcome to the BIG 12.

I live near St Louis, not a big deal.

 

[whatsup13579er]

The problem with Houston is very simple: Texas. My understanding is that the teasips definitely do not want Houston in the conference. Of course, my understanding on these matters is the same as everybody else's -- based entirely on rumor and innuendo.

I keep hearing that the Arizona schools might be receptive to an approach from the Big XII, for several reasons. That would be an excellent step, IMHO.

I've heard that as well about the Arizona schools, that would be a home run from a prestige standpoint and athletics. I have no idea about their academics.

I would be shocked if the Big12 added Houston to the conference. Why the heck would you want 5 teams from the same state? Seems like a pipe dream for Houston.

I've heard that the Arizona schools are unhappy in the PAC12 as well. If the Big12 could pull them in that would be a HUGE coup for the league. Forbes ranks Arizona as the #200 college and ASU as #292. They are very comparable to Iowa at #199 and ISU at #263. Arizona is an AAU member.