SEC is locked in for another 7-8 years. They're called contracts. These things are agreed upon willy nilly.
OU Fans Want Out of the Big XII
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Show me where I am wrong? Under the new agreement when it is reached the BTN will move ahead of the SEC, but the last two years, they have been behind.
And the last 5+ they were well behind the BIG, overall the BIG schools have made way more, they will about to again and then renegotiate yet again before the SEC furthering the gap of revenue.
The SEC network has only been up and running for two years, in that time it provided their member schools more money than the BTN did. yes, before the Big 10 made more per school, not the past two years. When the new contract kicks in the Big 10 will move ahead, and then in 7 or 8 years, the SEC will redo their and move back ahead.
The BIG renegotiates prior to the SEC 2 times. ESPN is also funding the SEC network and it is hurting so I wouldn't be too sure about your 8 year projection either. Overall the BIG has easily made more per school.
Correct. This is the first year the SEC has distributed more than the B1G, and it is $300k.
B1G jumps back in front next year. While the SEC will remain very competitive with the B1G in this area, the fact that the B1G goes back to market in 6 years could give them a chance to pull ahead.
Second year, the SEC paid out more money in 2014 and 2015. Do not get me wrong the Big 10 has a great tv contract, but its not head and shoulders above the SEC as many on this board believe.
If I am the SEC, I don't feel great about being firmly in bed with ESPN at this point given ESPN's recent struggles and downsizing. I expect them to expand their deal with CBS and give less to the mothership.
Another Cyclone fan in denial in this thread.
You need to listen Cyclone fans and think with your head on this one. Does ISU have good academics, yes they do. But the bottom line is unless ISU can bring more than roughly $25 million/season worth of value to a potential conference they will not be extended an offer. Why? Because anything less than that number means the schools extending the offer will be taking a pay cut. Schools aren't about to take a pay cut. They aren't about to extend invites out of the goodness of their heart just because some school in a far away place with little to offer for demographics finds themselves outside of the P5.
News flash Cyclone fans, you aren't a P5 school. That doesn't mean you can't be a quality academic school with solid basketball and a well rounded athletic dept. It just means, that for football purposes, you aren't competing with the big dogs, which is no big deal because you never really have been competitive anyway.
Best thing for ISU and the rest of the leftovers in the Big 12 is to raid the MWC and AAC. Backfill with some like schools and continue on as a solid conference, kind of like the Big East used to be. But nobody is going to consider you as being a (now) P4 conference.
You need to listen Cyclone fans and think with your head on this one. Does ISU have good academics, yes they do. But the bottom line is unless ISU can bring more than roughly $25 million/season worth of value to a potential conference they will not be extended an offer. Why? Because anything less than that number means the schools extending the offer will be taking a pay cut. Schools aren't about to take a pay cut. They aren't about to extend invites out of the goodness of their heart just because some school in a far away place with little to offer for demographics finds themselves outside of the P5.
News flash Cyclone fans, you aren't a P5 school. That doesn't mean you can't be a quality academic school with solid basketball and a well rounded athletic dept. It just means, that for football purposes, you aren't competing with the big dogs, which is no big deal because you never really have been competitive anyway.
Best thing for ISU and the rest of the leftovers in the Big 12 is to raid the MWC and AAC. Backfill with some like schools and continue on as a solid conference, kind of like the Big East used to be. But nobody is going to consider you as being a (now) P4 conference.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that. The B1G and SEC have been very comparable now that the SEC has their own network.
BINGO, we are on same page with our ESPN analysis, they are trying to lower costs across board, having the SEC network being another ESPN network is not a good thing, the BTN model is much viable long term and a money maker.
Actually, the SEC is locked in until 2034, 18 years from now. Part of the SEC network agreement was to extend the deal until 2034.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9235260/sec-espn-announce-sec-network-2014
The SEC and ESPN announced a 20-year agreement and rights extension on Thursday. The deal includes a new television network and digital platform that will show SEC sports 24/7, including more than 1,000 events in the first year.
The extension means the SEC will have its games on ESPN's family of networks, plus the SEC Network, through 2034.
An eternity. The cable/satellite/streaming market may be entirely different in 5 years, let alone 18.
While the SEC Network has ramped up quickly to pay out roughly the same as BTN, the SEC had to swallow the poison pill of extending their initial ESPN deal by 10 years to get it done. And they don't own the SEC Network, unlike the B1G/BTN.
While the SEC Network has ramped up quickly to pay out roughly the same as BTN, the SEC had to swallow the poison pill of extending their initial ESPN deal by 10 years to get it done. And they don't own the SEC Network, unlike the B1G/BTN.
Were did you come up with 40 million ? The ESPN article I read said 15 million.
You didn't know? Cyclone fans have a tendency to make up numbers in order to support their argument.
BYU makes sense. No way are the Texas schools are going to the west coast, 2 time zones away, and have there games on TV at 10 pm on the east coast. If they don't have a better choice than that, Texas will go independent like ND.
None of the schools today that are not already in a P5 conference is going to bring in 25 million, none. Yes, ISU is a P5 school, I know Iowa fans hate it, but they are. They were 39th in attendance last year, with a team that went 3-9, coming off a year they went 2-10. This pipe dream of what will happen if ISU went to the mac is never going to happen, so just please stop it. Do you really think Iowa would is going to clean up the instate kids anymore than what you already are? You are getting the pick of the litter now, do you think all the ISU season ticket holders will become Iowa fans? Not going to happen. Iowa has tapped out the state, nothing is going to change that, even ISU dropping down, which will not happen.
15 million from the LHN network and another 25 from the conference. Texas makes more money than any other athletic department. They are not hurting for money.
Clown fans are going Bagdad Bob mode. Its really sorta sad. "Everything is fine just fine. No worries. We will win with our super loud sound system and ultra cool new bleachers. We have Hickory park...the secret weapon. Everything will be just fine.".
I believe if Oklahoma leaves Texas will follow. Baylor TCU and Oklahoma State will probably go elsewhere as well. Then as it starts to tumble West Virginia, Kansas State and Texas Tech will probably follow suit. Next thing you know ISU has a 50/50 shot to win a conference championship. 8 of 10 teams leaving that conference would be best thing to happen to Iowa State football since the Sargain Ratings were put into affect.
Here's what you said earlier " Last year Texas made over 40 million dollars from tv " now you're changing your story. C'mon man get your story straight.
Well 15 million from LHN and 25 million from the Big 12 tv contract is 40 million. I guess I thought you could add, sorry, I was mistaken.
Do you really think ESPN is going away? Sure they have struggled the past year, but they are not going to fold. This is a great deal for the SEC, and will match what BTN is doing. In the future, who knows, the SEC is getting locked in now, the Big 10 is gambling that rates will increase.
Again, I will ask the question, why if you are Oklahoma, would you leave a conference that you can win any given year, and are 8th in the country in money made? So you are pissed that Texas is making more, and you think you should be the top dog, I get it. But do they really want to move to the SEC and play Alabama and LSU? Move out of your talent area of Texas and play in the big 10?
Look, I never thought for a minute that texas was leaving the big 12, they wanted the LHN, and by saying they may leave they got it. Oklahoma is now doing the same thing, can they leave, sure they can. But they just want a better deal, buyout Texas and set up a Big 12 network and they will be happy. Or they can go to the SEC and make the final four about once a decade. Its up to them.
Show me where I am wrong, I get it, YOU want to see ISU out of the P5, but do not insult me with your Iowa logic. Should ISU worry, yes, in about 5 years, when the broadcast rights are running out, they go for another 8, but not until then. I see a lot of posturing by OU, nothing more, the President of OU was told to be quiet by his own board, but according to you, they are willing to leave the conference any minute. When and if it happens, then I will worry about the big 12, no its not roses, but its still together.
Slick you said 40 million from tv. " Last year Texas made over 40 million dollars from tv " The big 12 doesn't have a tv network.
So I included the word "over" 40 million, they only made 40. That is still more than any one else made not including ND, they do not release their numbers. Sorry if I included over instead of just stating they made 40 million. Nice to clear that up. Yes, the Big 12 does not have a tv network, but they do have a tv contract that paid each school 25 million a year. Do you think they are letting ABC, ESPN and Fox broadcast those games for free?
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I get why the big 10 would want Texas, what is in it for Texas though? Their closest game would be Iowa City or Nebraska. The money would not be worth them giving up the LHN, now if the Big 10 is talking 50 million a year, maybe, but that is not going to happen in the near future, once you add in Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers will be getting full shares instead of less than full shares of the tv pie in the next couple of years.
I just realized you are arguing here as a defense mechanism. You are using using the Iowa Message board as a way of coping. Since you can't project you anger and fear regarding the demise of the BIG 12 at its source you are projecting this anger and fear towards those who's existence is a reminder that you and your team are second fiddle. Your constant posting on a forum of your hated rival who has no dog in this fight is proof. You have what they call little brother syndrome. You want to be relevant and one of the ways you think you will be relevant is if you gain the approval of your big brother. Hence you constant posting here on this forum. Your big brother is the Hawks...and we don't think you are relevant. Just a reminder.
I can't imagine too many current fans crossing over, but think long term. Give it a generation, and how many kids will choose to support a defunct/second rate program over a P5 team, simply because Mom and Dad are bitter about ISU's former standing?
I have no idea if this scenario will occur, but I am certain it would be nothing but positive for Iowa.
He is right about that, give or take a million or so. The Big XII gave each school a shade over $23 million last year for shared TV revenues. In addition to that, Texas gets a guaranteed $15 million a year from ESPN for the Longhorn Network.
If the Big 12 dissolves, is it more likely that Texas joins another conference or does their best Notre Dame impression, since they're going to get the Dickhorn Network $$?
Take it for what it's worth, Mack Brown stated that if Texas goes to another conference it would be the ACC. In his opinion the ACC would be willing to give Texas a good deal plus the ACC thinks if it gets Texas then ND would follow.
Thank you doctor Freud, it really has nothing to do with coping, anger or fear. I see the word relevant in your post. So I must be relevant to feel good about myself. That is silly, is it not. No, I do not want approval from Hawk fans, I really just want you to put your hate for ISU away for a second, and look at this problem from all angles. Instead of how this can hurt Iowa State. That is all, nothing more, nothing less. But I continue to see a lot of fans can not, its really a shame, but some people just have to hate to get by.
I hope ISU gets bounced not from hate but for love of my Hawkeyes. It helps Univ of Iowa. And what the heck it IS the Hawkeye State and there is only ONE Historic Kinnick Stadium.
