How could KU or OU possibly resist joining with these prestigious academic institutions?
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OU Fans Want Out of the Big XII
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How could KU or OU possibly resist joining with these prestigious academic institutions?
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Some of the Big Ten fanatics on this board remind me of the flea with an erection, floating down the river on his back and shouting "Open the drawbridge!"
But more to the point, what statements does the "schill" make that you think are incorrect?
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Of course. If it happened -- and I wouldn't bet on it -- it would be a great chance to poke the Big Ten in the eye.
Its hard to see you vision of the Big 12 dying and thereby the destruction of the ISU athletic department fall by the wayside. But I am sure you will make it, how about the ACC floats a rumor, not a real offer, just a rumor that Ohio St. and Michigan are going to be invited along ND will become a full member. Iowa and the rest better start applying to the Big 12.
At the risk of injecting logic into this thread -- again -- nobody would react to that rumor because Michigan and Ohio State wouldn't do it. Whatever else one might say about them, they have remained very loyal to the conference. The principal illustration of this is revenue sharing.
One of the things that really weakened the original Big XII was the refusal of Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma to share revenues with the weaker members of the conference. The rich got richer and the poor had an ever-more-difficult task trying to keep up.
OMG, Lonely Clown just won't go away, will he?
See above. You gotta love every time he, and I quote, injects logic into a thread on a Hawkeye message board....what would we ever do without Lonely Clown?
Lone, I know it would not happen, anymore than the Big 10 and SEC trying to take over college football, by picking the best teams and markets from the Big 12 and ACC. Lot of fans on this boards wishes were crushed with the news yesterday, but they can always hope.
isu grads will tell us when they are within 20 spots of Iowa in the US News & Wold Repor Rankings won't they? Of course they will their little bro syndrome demands it.
Or tell us how t really is IC Clown
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Oh, I think that certainly could happen -- the SEC and Big Ten trying to corner the market, I mean. Every conference is in it for itself, and they are no exception. They are the strongest and have the best markets and most resources, so I see no reason they wouldn't be trying to do exactly that. If you think the Big Ten wouldn't take Notre Dame and Texas in a heartbeat, you're nuts.
The only thing that's going to stop the craziness is when leagues get too big to be manageable, and 14 is close. You eventually get to a point where it's a conference in name only; the teams have little in common, they don't all play each other, few real rivalries exist. It becomes a big corporation.
Not saying that's either good or bad; it's just what it is.
I really don't like that it has happened but since the train has left the station I will go with Oklahoma and ND for $200.
Even Lone thinks you've lost your mind. Lets go to make believe land for a second and say that Michigan and Ohio State join another conference. That leaves Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, jNW, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, MSU, PSU, Rutgers, and Maryland. That conference would still be stronger than the Big12. It contains 9 flagship state schools covering 10 states. The Big12 only covers 5 states total and only has 4 flagship state schools.
When (not if) the B1G and SEC expand, they won't be courting the Cincinnati's and UCF's of the world. The schools on the short list for those 4 spots will be ND, Texas, OU, Virginia, Va Tech, Ga Tech, and UNC.
So the big 10 without Mich and OSU would stil bel a stronger, more popular conference than the current big 12 is what you are saying. Why because it has flag ship universities. No school in that conference would have the tradition of either Texas or OU, Nebraska use to, but remember everyone on this board since they are in decline. The influence of Iowa, or MSU is not any better than that of a Baylor, pre scandal, TCU, W. Virginia or KST. All those teams have played and won major bowl games in the past 10 years or so.,
Both conference will make a play for all the schools that you mentioned, but the schools would also have to agree to go. Right now Texas and OU do not appear to want to leave, I am sure Kansas would jump at the chance, but would their BOR allow them is another question. ND has been invited how many times in the past and always turned it down. The thing you are forgetting is the money schools like Texas and OU are getting is currently more than they would get from either the SEC or Big 10, they are the top dog in the big 12, are they going to give that all up just to move? Look at the schools that the big 10 has added, Rutgers and Maryland were broke they were borrowing 20 to 37 million from their own school each year, they both say a way by joining the Big 10 to solve that problem. Nebraska saw their influence and football team going down hill, they hated being replaced by Texas, so they left. What I am saying is, it takes two to dance here, without both sides being willing, a school will not move.
Without digging into this I don't think a Big Ten without Michigan and Ohio State would be a better conference than the current Big 12. That doesn't seem to make sense
And that is proof positive that it indeed, does make sense. How many times do you wish to be wrong 0C?
(Wasn't it you that gave the 'I'm out of here (HR)..." speech not even one week ago?)
Stupid is as stupid does.
I'm not surprised that you don't understand the importance of being the flagship university in a state. I'm going to ask you a question, then give you several options. If you were running a conference, who would you rather have?
Alabama or Auburn?
Florida or FSU/Miami?
Georgia or Ga Tech?
UNC or NC State?
Virginia or Va Tech?
Kansas or K State?
OU or Ok State?
Texas or TT/Baylor/TCU/TAM?
Indiana or Purdue?
Michigan or Mich State?
Ohio State or Cincy?
Penn State or Pitt?
And don't put Iowa/Wisc/Neb/MSU on the same level of Baylor/TCU/WVa/KSt. That's just stupid.
I would want the schools that have had the most recent athletic success, so it would be Alabama, FSU, Georgia,UNC Va Tech, K State (this one is debatable) OU, Texas rather have AM, Purdue, Michigan, OSU and Penn State. By the way Penn State is a A & M school. Go back and look at the success that Baylor, W. Vir, TCU and K St. have had the last 10 years. Everyone says Nebraska is dead, but now they want to use them as a strength. TCU won the rose bowl a few years ago beating Oklahoma, bigger win than Iowa has since 1959. Yes, their winning has not been long term, but they are winning a lot of games.
Good thing then that I am not. But I tend to think a conference with OU, OSU, K St. Alabama, and the other mentioned would be just fine. Taking Purdue or Indiana, or V Tech over Virginia would not be enough to take the conference down. Remember we are talking football here, not academics, not basketball, but football.
No, you are talking about football. Everyone else is talking conference expansion and that entails a lot more than football.
But everyone else says football is pushing this train, and that is what is behind the hope that ISU will be left out, because of their poor football team. My point has always been the same, ISU will be at the big boy table if the big 12 collapses. Glad you agree that conference expansion has more detail than the strength of your football team.
Football is the driving force for the SEC along with TV sets. The ACC values a basketball component. The B1G wants strong academics and TV sets in addition to athletics. The Big12 is just trying to hold on to OU and Texas. The PAC12 is just happy no one else wants to move West.
When Texas/OU gets plucked from the Big12, the remaining schools are going to have to try to find a fit elsewhere. I see OU eventually going to the SEC and then the SEC picking Va Tech out of the ACC. I could easily see Texas going the ND route and going Independent. B1G probably takes Virginia and Ga Tech or UNC. So the ACC has 5 spots to fill to get to 16 and the PAC12 has 4. The PAC12 could easily pick up TT, Ok State, and KSU then add Boise State as a full member (they are an affiliate wresting member). I admit I have zero knowledge of what the PAC12 is looking for. Utah and Colorado were weird additions. The 5 ACC spots are the most interesting to me. I think West Va probably gets the invite they've always wanted. They would also give UConn a spot. They would jump at the chance to add KU. That leaves 2 spots for Iowa St/Cincy/Baylor/TCU assuming ND doesn't come aboard as a full member.
One of the Texas schools (TT, TCU, or Baylor) will be on the outside looking in when the dust settles. It should be the scumbags at Baylor. I think Iowa State has a better chance to land in the ACC than being left out of the P4 but it is no guarantee.
Agree with much of what you said, but if the big 12 would lose Oklahoma, and the ACC lose Va Tech, Virginia, Ga Tech or N. Carolina, what makes FSU and Clemson stay, and does not those loses make the ACC less stable then the Big 12. Texas will go independent if the conference collapses, but if OK just left, and the ACC was hammered by the SEC and Big 10, one could easily make the case that the ACC is now a basketball conference and the football schools of FSU and Clemson which the SEC has no need for, would look to the Big 12. Pitt along with say Ga Tech if not gobbled up by the Big 10 would have to feel the same way. The ACC would be left with Duke, Louisville and a bunch of bb centered teams.
The dominos begin to fall starting with OU, making the Big12 the most vulnerable. A lot would depend on the timeline of the other dominos. Would the ACC swoop in and quickly poach schools knowing the B1G and SEC are sitting there ready to strike? Or do the B1G and SEC poach their schools of choice from the ACC before the ACC makes any moves? Would FSU/Clemson/Pitt/Ga Tech want to mess with Texas being the ringleader of a new Big12? Could the Big12 convince FSU/Clemson to leave the ACC before OU leaves the Big12? Would Texas and OU give up some $$$ to make that happen? There are lots of questions to be answered. I think the one scenario that is most likely is it is that the Big12 goes under rather than the ACC.
I can't believe anyone would actually pick Purdue over Indiana. To a lesser extent FSU over Florida is another head scratcher. Florida is actually a very well respected academic institution whereas Florida State plays football. Same could be said about picking Va Tech over Virginia.
Having him on ignore has been a tremendous thing. It certainly does not shock me that the village idiot would think this way with these schools.
For those who think flagship schools are meaningless, let's look at the recent additions to B1G/SEC/P12. All state flagships*.
PSU
Nebraska
Maryland
Rutgers
South Carolina
Arkansas
Missouri
Texas A&M (* the only non-flagship, but the second banana is meaningful in a state of 27M)
Utah
Colorado
The two conferences that are in danger of dropping from the P5, ACC and B12, have added non-flagships.
PSU
Nebraska
Maryland
Rutgers
South Carolina
Arkansas
Missouri
Texas A&M (* the only non-flagship, but the second banana is meaningful in a state of 27M)
Utah
Colorado
The two conferences that are in danger of dropping from the P5, ACC and B12, have added non-flagships.
No. Again, we're talking about conference realignment. That entails more than just football. As an ISU fan you should be pushing that narrative more than anyone since your football program, history and present, is garbage.
why is it when I talk academics everyone says its a football decision, and when I say I mention the most popular fan bases its only football, when I listed the 20 best football teams with larger fan bases, people say what about academics. So to help me here, which are we talking about? The 20 largest football fan bases, the 20 largest college sports fan bases, the colleges most likely to get taken in expansion if the Big 12 collapses based on their football ability or are we allowing academics to count here?
Maybe it is because the vast majority of your commentary is in 'absolute' form. Reread much of what you have posted. It was never, it is about all things, it was that it was NOT about football. If you want to continue down that path, then you will just have to accept that you are wrong. Football will be a very important consideration as it will be football that drives the revenue stream for most, if not all athletic endeavors for these schools. Yes, there will be other things to be looked at because it is not a vacuum like you want it to be in order to keep posting here at the rate you do.
In any case, you have not offered anything that supports isu as a football program.
Lets look at the list one by one
PSU was an independent, want to join a league, two choices Big East a bb conference or the big 10 a football conference. Big ten.
Nebraska- wanted away from Texas, thought they prolong their football success, Big ten
Maryland- Broke had no choice when the big 10 offered the money they jumped.
Rutgers-Broke even worse than Maryland, 37 million in the red in the ACC they jumped at the money.
Arkansas- Saw the SWC conference was falling apart and they jumped, if they had waited they would be in the big 12 today.
Missouri- Saw they could be left out if the big 12 went tits up, and jumped when offered.
Texas AM- wanted to get away from Texas.
Colorado- always wanted to be in the pac 12, when they offered they jumped even though the other schools stayed put.
Utah--Pac 12 or Mountain West, easy choice there.
No clue about S. Carolina.
Not sure what any of this means, but I guess if you are going to raid other conferences, be the first to jump to do it and get the pick of the litter. There is no single reason a school moves from one conference to another, each school is looking after their own self interests. If ND thought they could make more money by joining a conference they would, but they haven't. OU or Texas may or may not make the same decision.
The 'fans' topic is in the other thread. This thread is centered around OU wanting out of the Big12 and what happens with conference expansion when that happens. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference.
Many people, especially in the media, only talk about conference expansion in regards to football because that is all they care about. Conference commissioners take many things into consideration when it comes to expansion, more than just how did school X do in football last season. When you played commissioner earlier in this thread all you cared about was the most recent football success. That is a terrible model to follow if you're trying to keep a dying conference from going under.
And exactly who is everyone says its a football decision? Being in the B1G, we know the value of the academic side of things and how important TV sets are for the BTN. ISU's football program is not a selling point, sure, but location and being the 2nd school in a small state are also reasons why Iowa fans know ISU might be in trouble when the Big12 dissolves.
