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i never mentioned the wisconsin game last year, but the year before was brutal to sit and watch. While a game of 56-53 score may not be fun, neither is watching a low scoring game (not because the defenses are so great, but because the offense is horrid). Low score games against teams that should have your 2nd string out getting snaps in the 2nd half doesn't do much for me either. If its a great defensive battle where every first down is an achievement then by all means....but an offense where you go 3 and out most of the day due to dropped passes, 5 yard routes when you need 7 on third down, running getting stuffed all day is not exciting

*disclaimer--In the examples I provided in the previous post, I was just providing examples of what i thought was low scoring games....not if they were low scoring due to an offense that couldn't do anything or because of a really great defensive effort.
Basically it sucks when we play like dog shit, that is pretty obvious and I completely agree with you here......
 
Yea, admit these good and decent people into thine Melrose Ave in the state of drunkeness in thine heavenly Kinnick Stadium, up there. And Barta, he laid its down by the band of the Tail Gators, and yea, though the Hindus speak of karma, I implore you: give em... give em a break.

Dammit, almost made me "like" another one of your posts. Thankfully, I held back.
 
To the anti-connectivity crowd should we take the big screens down. After all who needs those you don't have them at a HS game.
 
To the anti-connectivity crowd should we take the big screens down. After all who needs those you don't have them at a HS game.

Way to completely miss the point. No one is arguing that there should be LESS amenities than there already are. They're saying that a lack of some of the specific amenities that are currently absent is a fairly lame excuse to use for not attending.
 
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My thing is, if you are going to bash on Iowa at this point, when there is nothing to bash on, stay off the internet. Or keep that crap to yourself. Because I don't want to hear it. Not when this team is playing well and looking to have turned things around quite a bit.
They're just biding their time hiding in the e-grass, waiting for that first loss so they can have something to say. "See, what'd I tell you, I knew this and this and this would be a f***ing problem!"...and they'll use the word "f***ing" too in order to accentuate their frustration.
 
of course this is just my opinion
Ball State was low scoring last year considering the opponent. The Hawkeyes put a strong 9 points up against Wisconsin the year before.
18 against Northern Illinois in 2012 is pretty pathetic against a directional school
9 against iowa state in 2012, 7 against Nebraska that same year
3 against Penn State in 2011, 7 against Nebraska that same year

NIU was a neutral site game against a team that went 12-2 and played in the Orange Bowl.

Two of the games were road games.

So, of your seven examples, four were home games. Four low scoring home games in the past 4 seasons has killed your desire to have season tickets. Its a damn shame that Iowa is the only school to have low scoring games.
 
NIU was a neutral site game against a team that went 12-2 and played in the Orange Bowl.

Two of the games were road games.

So, of your seven examples, four were home games. Four low scoring home games in the past 4 seasons has killed your desire to have season tickets. Its a damn shame that Iowa is the only school to have low scoring games.


your reading comprehension sucks.

read my initial post in this thread about it being ONE of the issues, and then read my follow up posts after the one that you quoted.

an offense that has many times struggled to string together two first downs before resulting in a punt.. being on the road vs away is irrelevant to a point in my opinion. that just excuses poor performance.
I'll admit that maybe it was a poor example, but its not like the offense over the past has been dazzling. If you can't admit there have been a number of offensive snoozers over the years, especially against teams that should not have been as close as they were, then you have the black and gold blinders on way too tight
 
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your reading comprehension sucks.

read my initial post in this thread about it being ONE of the issues, and then read my follow up posts after the one that you quoted.

an offense that has many times struggled to string together two first downs before resulting in a punt.. being on the road vs away is irrelevant to a point in my opinion. that just excuses poor performance.
I'll admit that maybe it was a poor example, but its not like the offense over the past has been dazzling. If you can't admit there have been a number of offensive snoozers over the years, especially against teams that should not have been as close as they were, then you have the black and gold blinders on way too tight
Maybe so, but those close wins we against "teams we should beat" are much better than say Arkansas losing to Temple, Nebby losing to BYU, PSU losing to Temple, ISU losing to FCS teams, Michigan losing to App State.....the 1 point victory against UNI in 2009 was not a great performance by one of the best Iowa teams in school history, that team almost lost to FCS team and ended up winning 11 games and a BCS bowl game and yet still almost lost to an FCS team (a good one at that but still)......long story I agree that the Iowa team has underperformed as of late, that has been well documented. However, if you think that Iowa is the only P5 conference that has closer games to non P5 conference opponents and FCS teams you really need to look around the country to see that this is very common
 
Maybe so, but those close wins we against "teams we should beat" are much better than say Arkansas losing to Temple, Nebby losing to BYU, PSU losing to Temple, ISU losing to FCS teams, Michigan losing to App State.....the 1 point victory against UNI in 2009 was not a great performance by one of the best Iowa teams in school history, that team almost lost to FCS team and ended up winning 11 games and a BCS bowl game and yet still almost lost to an FCS team (a good one at that but still)......long story I agree that the Iowa team has underperformed as of late, that has been well documented. However, if you think that Iowa is the only P5 conference that has closer games to non P5 conference opponents and FCS teams you really need to look around the country to see that this is very common

It's not like its been a game or two over the years (which maybe makes my "low scoring" comment I originally made not relevant as maybe saying something like an "anemic offense" or a "sloppy offense"). I have been seeing an offense over the last few years that struggles to string together a drive of more than one or two first downs, an offense that used a FB as a runningback for way too long, an offense where we have seen many passes on third down completed a yard or two before the first down marker, dropped balls, etc.

Like i said, there are a number of reasons I will not be attending Kinnick for a game this fall. I've watched enough struggling offenses for the prices that are charged, so that is one of the handful of reasons.

it looks like the offense (and team) have a spark. Hoping it keeps up and we see some bounces go the Hawks way that they haven't gone over the past few years and they get better as the season goes on. Judging by how the Hawkeyes went over to collect the CyHawk together in the Swarm, I would say this unit has a pretty solid bond.
 
My reading comprehension is fine. Your posts suck.

If you don't want to watch the Iowa Hawkeyes play in Kinnick Stadium, that is your choice.

Last year, Iowa was 3rd in the B1G in scoring, and 3rd in first downs. I don't want to hear offense/first downs or games played in 2009 as the reason you didn't renew this year.

You chose not to renew. All the other crap is hot air.
 
How is taking some alcohol into a game an An "addiction"? Either you're trying to hard or trolling. Now, had I said I couldn't go to games without booze, that may qualify.
Why do people need to take alcohol into the stadium?
Can't go 3 hours without it?
Can't "enjoy" the game without it?

Sounds like an addiction to me. If you "have" to have booze, then you have a problem (and I don't mean you in particular).
 
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Why do people need to take alcohol into the stadium?
Can't go 3 hours without it?
Can't "enjoy" the game without it?

Sounds like an addiction to me. If you "have" to have booze, then you have a problem (and I don't mean you in particular).
I don't "have" to have booze, as explained in prior responses. Keep trying though, you're doing great.
 
I think I would wait until the announced crowd before deciding this will be an embarrassment on TV. The Ill. St. game didn't look like an embarrassment, and there are already more tickets sold for the Pitt game than there were for the opener.

Iowa fans are great. Iowa message board fan on the other hand...

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My reading comprehension is fine. Your posts suck.

If you don't want to watch the Iowa Hawkeyes play in Kinnick Stadium, that is your choice.

Last year, Iowa was 3rd in the B1G in scoring, and 3rd in first downs. I don't want to hear offense/first downs or games played in 2009 as the reason you didn't renew this year.

You chose not to renew. All the other crap is hot air.


As I admitted in my first post that i am not a season ticket holder, but get to 2-3 games a year (although I am sure that doesn't make me as good of a hawkeye fan as you).

and you also ignored all of the other reasons I have spelled out for the reason for me not making a trip to Kinnick this year, yet you glom onto this one little point. EDIT, i did bring up the minny 2009 game, so he got me on that one...

so yes, your reading comprehension most certainly sucks. I know the draw of being anonymous internet keyboard warrior boy might be clouding your ability to read. Your ability to not see that means I am done responding to you.
 
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Why do people need to take alcohol into the stadium?
Can't go 3 hours without it?
Can't "enjoy" the game without it?

Sounds like an addiction to me. If you "have" to have booze, then you have a problem (and I don't mean you in particular).

1. Because it enhances the fun, the experience, releases inhibitions that lead to more people stepping out of their norm, which definitely leads to more cheering/yelling.
2. Maybe there are 10 total people that can't in that stadium, every one of the rest of us can. This is what is called a straw man. It has no impact on question 1.
3. Of course people can. People can also enjoy salt/pepper on their steak, or french fries, or whatever....it doesn't mean it is necessary for enjoyment. It enhances the enjoyment.

Same reason alcohol is introduced at parties, to lower social inhibitions and increase cooperative activities like dancing, clapping, cheering, yelling....hell just saying "hi, how are you."

It appears you have an inherent disdain for alcohol, and maybe you believe you have a good reason for doing so. Fine, live your life, let others live theirs.

Edit to add question: Are you questions concerned about the "illegality" of bringing the alcohol in? Would you ask the same questions at a concert or NFL game?
 
1. Because it enhances the fun, the experience, releases inhibitions that lead to more people stepping out of their norm, which definitely leads to more cheering/yelling.
2. Maybe there are 10 total people that can't in that stadium, every one of the rest of us can. This is what is called a straw man. It has no impact on question 1.
3. Of course people can. People can also enjoy salt/pepper on their steak, or french fries, or whatever....it doesn't mean it is necessary for enjoyment. It enhances the enjoyment.

Same reason alcohol is introduced at parties, to lower social inhibitions and increase cooperative activities like dancing, clapping, cheering, yelling....hell just saying "hi, how are you."

It appears you have an inherent disdain for alcohol, and maybe you believe you have a good reason for doing so. Fine, live your life, let others live theirs.

Edit to add question: Are you questions concerned about the "illegality" of bringing the alcohol in? Would you ask the same questions at a concert or NFL game?
Very well said.
 
I wouldn't agree that alcohol enhances the experience of watching a football game. I don't get that all but to each his own. Are you saying if you watch a game sober it's not as fun as if you were faced? To me that sounds like you are more there for the party than the football game which could be very likely and completely understandable.

The only problem I see with alcohol at the game is there are too many idiots that can't handle it. Too many incidents that brought us to this point.
 
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I wouldn't agree that alcohol enhances the experience of watching a football game. I don't get that all but to each his own. Are you saying if you watch a game sober it's not as fun as if you were shit faced? To me that sounds like you are more there for the party than the football game which could be very likely and completely understandable.

The only problem I see with alcohol at the game is there are too many idiots that can't handle it. Too many incidents that brought us to this point.

I think what it comes down to are the reasons that most people drink alcohol. They enjoy the way it loosens them up and the pleasant buzz it can give. Drinking for most people is a social activity, and most tailgaters drink at least a little bit. If some people want to continue that into the game, I don't see a problem with it, as long as they are well behaved.

On the other side, I don't see how being completely wasted would enhance a person's experience, especially if that person ends up passed out, sick, blacked out, or in a fight/arrested. I agree that many idiots can't handle it. And those are the folks that are probably the ones being searched when they enter, as they're already stumbling around or slurring words. But I also don't think that Derek is being a proponent of getting wasted. There's a good middle ground here that most fans who drink are able to maintain.
 
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I think what it comes down to are the reasons that most people drink alcohol. They enjoy the way it loosens them up and the pleasant buzz it can give. Drinking for most people is a social activity, and most tailgaters drink at least a little bit. If some people want to continue that into the game, I don't see a problem with it, as long as they are well behaved.

On the other side, I don't see how being completely wasted would enhance a person's experience, especially if that person ends up passed out, sick, blacked out, or in a fight/arrested. I agree that many idiots can't handle it. And those are the folks that are probably the ones being searched when they enter, as they're already stumbling around or slurring words. But I also don't think that Derek is being a proponent of getting wasted. There's a good middle ground here that most fans who drink are able to maintain.
I honestly rarely drink, however; when in I get an opportunity to make it to a game I get absolutely annihilated and become "that guy"........its pretty awesome
 
I wouldn't agree that alcohol enhances the experience of watching a football game. I don't get that all but to each his own. Are you saying if you watch a game sober it's not as fun as if you were faced? To me that sounds like you are more there for the party than the football game which could be very likely and completely understandable.

The only problem I see with alcohol at the game is there are too many idiots that can't handle it. Too many incidents that brought us to this point.

A few things:

Nobody is saying that it is universal, which is exactly what I was responding about, simply: to each his own.

I don't read anywhere in what I said was being "faced". Drinking alcohol =/= "faced". As any drunk curve demonstrates there is too little and too much.

More for the party? Did you read my post? I specifically discussed the fans interacting with each other, with the crowd, and with the game. Cheering, yelling, clapping, standing, etc. Is that being there for the "party"? No, that would be absurd...unless you think European soccer fans are there for the "party" and not the match.

Your last point is the same ol' straw man. What is it about college fans that separates them from pro fans? Nothing, absolutely nothing, yet one group can't "handle" it and one can? Again, absurd. Of course it is about limits, and the vast majority of people (or their friends with them) know, and stay within, their limit.

We are talking about drinking alcohol, not mainlining it.
 
I'm not sure why some people think that introducing a little chemical imbalance is such a bad thing. If you feel anxious, you are told to seek something like Xanax. If you have a mood disorder you are supposed to balance it out.

But if you are regularly a shy, uptight stick-in-the-mud you shouldn't partake in imbibing a substance that will allow you to easily and freely discuss world events (or your favorite Hawkeye memory) with those around you, while yelling at a field hoping that you make some minor impact?

Come on.
 
Good one! I would like to know as well.
They are over 62k. I would guess it will be around 67k Saturday night. This is the tweet from Leistikow.

"At over 62k+ sold, Iowa-Pitt already guaranteed to be largest in-state crowd of 2015. Not helping: Pitt only sold 500 of its 3,000 tickets."
 
They are over 62k. I would guess it will be around 67k Saturday night. This is the tweet from Leistikow.

"At over 62k+ sold, Iowa-Pitt already guaranteed to be largest in-state crowd of 2015. Not helping: Pitt only sold 500 of its 3,000 tickets."
I have a question on the visitor allotment. Since those unsold tickets are returned a week or two before the game, is the visiting school on the hook for any that don't get sold through Iowa's ticket office? I thought of that sometimes during the sellout streak; could it end because the visitors don't sell their tickets, or are they considered sold?
 
They are over 62k. I would guess it will be around 67k Saturday night. This is the tweet from Leistikow.

"At over 62k+ sold, Iowa-Pitt already guaranteed to be largest in-state crowd of 2015. Not helping: Pitt only sold 500 of its 3,000 tickets."

67K is very attainable. If we get the amount of walk ups we did 2 weeks ago were already at 65K. Not a sellout but not so doom and gloom either.
 
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Correct. And we need to start cutting back on these allotments.

I disagree. I think these allotments are important, visitors should have some certain priority over tickets.

Caveat: I don't know the "standard" allotment that actual sells. Say 5 of the 6 games only sells 1k each year, but the Wisconsin game sells 5k. I don't think you set it at 5k just because of the outlier.
 
IMO It has more to do with other factors than the product on the field.
1. Game Day Costs - We spent $270 for a hotel in Iowa city, 4 tickets were $320, Parking will be $30 minimum, gas will be $75, food will be $200 - Without alcohol it is a $900 weekend!!
2. Length of game - The TV timeouts are killing the game. I went to the Iowa hs playoffs and hs basketball championship weekend for the past 25 years. I didn't go last year, because I can't handle all the breaks. It has totally taken away any flow of the game.
3. Wifi! Let's face it we are married to our phones. No Wifi for 4-5 hours is hard on many people
4. When I can sit in BWW or Sports Bar and watch 5 or 6 games on TV and the Iowa game is right in front of me. I have atmosphere, WIFI, food, bevarage, and during TV timeouts I can scan the other games, etc..
Those reasons are common to nearly every program. The things unique to Iowa are:
  1. A fan base not thrilled with the team keeping season ticket sales down,
  2. A less than stellar home schedule also keeping season ticket sales down, and
  3. A fun-hating administration and law enforcement putting a damper on what once was a great tailgate environment.
Excitement in the team seems to be returning with two nice wins to start the season. But it's hard to make up for lost season sales with individual game sales.
 
It amazes me to see people failing to understand that 7,000+ people dropping season tickets means that attendance will likely be very low throughout the entire season, regardless of team performance.

It's a remarkably simple concept to grasp, yet here we are.
You are exactly right. It is hard to make up those sales with individual game ticket sales. It gets to be a big problem when you can buy tickets the day of the game, often at discounted prices and sometimes in great seats. When that happens, future season ticket sales may be affected. I've seen that first hand. Why buy a season ticket when you can wait to see if the weather is nice, then go scalp a great seat for less than face value the day of the game?
 
You complain endlessly on this thread about people who can't go 3.5 hours without wifi but you're such a drunk that you can't attend a game without sneaking in alcohol. Hypocrite.
If you are sneaking in alcohol, then you aren't tailgating long and hard enough before the game. :D
 
Drink hard beforehand and sober up for the ride home. I'd always prefer to sober up and start all over after the game, but that's me. To each his own.
 
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