Owen to Creighton

[hawkjt]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

 

[Fan In Black]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Cream...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woods on...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
Asthat Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachiever our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

don't forget really bad fans.

 

[mizzy2442]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Cream...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woods on...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
Asthat Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachiever our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

You’re right. We should just give up and shut it down. Extend Fran and start hanging top half big ten finish banners.

Also, Fran would’ve been fired from Indiana a decade ago. Getting straight up paid for 15 years is not a bad spot to land, don’t add that to your marketing piece about how much this place sucks though.

 

[Fan In Black]

upper half finishes were what we used to called upper deckers.

 

[ICWestfan]

Heard some stuff today, call it from a sister of a sister of her friends boyfriends type of thing-
Dix/Freeman/Harding to Creighton
Fran resigns
Iowa hires McDermott
McDermott brings Freeman/Harding back
Dix to Nebby

 

[hawkjt]

You’re right. We should just give up and shut it down. Extend Fran and start hanging top half big ten finish banners.

Also, Fran would’ve been fired from Indiana a decade ago. Getting straight up paid for 15 years is not a bad spot to land, don’t add that to your marketing piece about how much this place sucks though.

Nah...i will continue to support the team either way.
Just hope that getting rid of Fran vaults Iowa into the upper echelons of college BB as some fans seem to think is inevitable despite all the obstacles the Iowa program is facing in today's landscape.

 

[hawkjt]

Heard some stuff today, call it from a sister of a sister of her friends boyfriends type of thing-
Dix/Freeman/Harding to Creighton
Fran resigns
Iowa hires McDermott
McDermott brings Freeman/Harding back
Dix to Nebby

Could live w this as implausible as it sounds.

 

[MikeyHawk]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

Based on this, seems like Iowa should just give Fran a lifetime contract.

Iowa has one shot at hiring a new coach?

If you and Chad think Iowa would be in the bottom third of the league, it must be true.

The Big Ten is the worst of the power 5 leagues? you really are clueless aren't you

 

[Rustys Dad]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

I don’t think too many fans think we will hit a “jackpot” hire… In 16 years Fran has mustered ZERO Sweet 16s - and compiled a very average .510 conference record … Making no change is the worst thing Iowa can do at this point… Fans are done with Fran… and when fans are “done” so is your program. It’s time for a change … and finally we will get one ….

 

[mizzy2442]

Nah...i will continue to support the team either way.
Just hope that getting rid of Fran vaults Iowa into the upper echelons of college BB as some fans seem to think is inevitable despite all the obstacles the Iowa program is facing in today's landscape.

I don’t think our fans think the new coach is going to vault us into the upper echelons of college basketball. I think they hope he takes us out of mediocrity and gives us a chance at a deep NCAA tournament run once every few years or so. We are never going to be UNC or Duke of college bball obviously, but maybe strive to be close to what Wisconsin has built? Is that too much to strive for?

 

[HawkLogic]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

The overachievent that you are attributing to Fran is mostly being better than NW, Minny, Nebby Rutgers, and NW. None of those years Iowa competed for B1G title or did anything of note in NCAA tourney.

you get too happy with 0.500 Big10 ball. I don't mind a few years like this for something better that moves the needle...The previous 3 years of Iowa B-ball that you are celebrating were NCAA loss to Richmond, a loss to Auburn, and a 1st round NIT loss to UTah. I

With $2.5 million in NIL, things will be a lot better. I don't see how you can say ISU for instance has inherent advantages over Iowa. Fact is they market their product better and have better records and got a good coach. There is nothing stopping Iowa from being Iowa State, other than sticking with Fran. Indiana is good example of not having patience---that is not an Iowa problem.

 

[hawkjt]

Based on this, seems like Iowa should just give Fran a lifetime contract.

Iowa has one shot at hiring a new coach?

If you and Chad think Iowa would be in the bottom third of the league, it must be true.

The Big Ten is the worst of the power 5 leagues? you really are clueless aren't you

Big East- UConn going for 3rd straight NCAA title- Marquette, CU, Xaiver, St John's ...overall better than BIG.
ACC- Duke, UNC nuff said
SEC- dominating top ten.
Big 12- Houston, Zona, KU TT ISU

BIG trails these leagues in BB til they prove it in March.
Edey is the only reason BIG has not dropped even lower in recent years.

 

[MikeyHawk]

Big East- UConn going for 3rd straight NCAA title- Marquette, CU, Xaiver, St John's ...overall better than BIG.
ACC- Duke, UNC nuff said
SEC- dominating top ten.
Big 12- Houston, Zona, KU TT ISU

BIG trails these leagues in BB til they prove it in March.
Edey is the only reason BIG has not dropped even lower in recent years.

wrong, keep being clueless, you have been doing so on here for a long time

 

[hawkjt]

The overachievent that you are attributing to Fran is mostly being better than NW, Minny, Nebby Rutgers, and NW. None of those years Iowa competed for B1G title or did anything of note in NCAA tourney.

you get too happy with 0.500 Big10 ball. I don't mind a few years like this for something better that moves the needle...The previous 3 years of Iowa B-ball that you are celebrating were NCAA loss to Richmond, a loss to Auburn, and a 1st round NIT loss to UTah. I

With $2.5 million in NIL, things will be a lot better. I don't see how you can say ISU for instance has inherent advantages over Iowa. Fact is they market their product better and have better records and got a good coach. There is nothing stopping Iowa from being Iowa State, other than sticking with Fran. Indiana is good example of not having patience---that is not an Iowa problem.

Is that 2.5 million new NIL money?
Or is it revenue sharing funds that will be available next year?
IU had a 6 million payroll this year.

So the only thing keeping Iowa from ISU- level BB success is Fran?
By all means let pull the trigger and I will get ready to reserve Sweet 16 bb tickets to see Hawks in 2026 NCAA tourney.
Book it.

 

[hawkjt]

wrong, keep being clueless, you have been doing so on here for a long time

Ok...which league is BIG better than?

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Getting excited about a barely above .500 conference record and finishing in the top half of the league regularly is a big deal to some. Apparently.

I would trade multiple seasons of sub .500 performance for a final four run. The steady as she goes ship of mediocrity that hits the figurative iceberg come tourney time holds no interest for me.

Who says the next coach is a home run hire? Nobody that has any understanding of the current landscape. That's why you don't lock in with a ridiculous long term deal until there's post season success. Because if he's a bust, which is a very real possibility, then he gets jettisoned.

The primary goal is NCAA tourney success.
The somewhat distant secondary goal is winning the regular season BTT.
All other goals flow from those.
Everything that happens in this business should be in service of the primary goal. Success of the program will come in the pursuit of that.

 

[BrewHawk]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

Despite all of that Hoosier failure, they sell out Assembly Hall year after year.

Significant difference from Iowa.

Hire McCollum. He is a proven winner and won't cost much.

 

[LukaDuka]

If we get Devries we get Tucker for a year. No way Freeman stays if its Devries. They need to throw all the $ they can at Dix!! I would keep Pryce as well.

There is a current coach with ties to DeVries. I'm sure Gatens could convince more players to stay than not. The allure of getting back to the NCAA's with a new coach may be enough motivation to stay.

 

[Hawkstate1]

There is a current coach with ties to DeVries. I'm sure Gatens could convince more players to stay than not. The allure of getting back to the NCAA's with a new coach may be enough motivation to stay.

Please God no. It would be a terrible choice.

 

[Legs94]

Based on this, seems like Iowa should just give Fran a lifetime contract.

Iowa has one shot at hiring a new coach?

If you and Chad think Iowa would be in the bottom third of the league, it must be true.

The Big Ten is the worst of the power 5 leagues? you really are clueless aren't you

Screams Cyclone troll…

 

[Legs94]

Despite all of that Hoosier failure, they sell out Assembly Hall year after year.

Significant difference from Iowa.

Hire McCollum. He is a proven winner and won't cost much.

I’d be fine with this. Better than Gatens for sure.

Also a team to the west went through some bad coaches but kept going until they found a great one. Not sure why we should be ok being a significantly worse program than a shitbird school in a dump of a town in the same state.

 

[tweeterhawk]

Heard some stuff today, call it from a sister of a sister of her friends boyfriends type of thing-
Dix/Freeman/Harding to Creighton
Fran resigns
Iowa hires McDermott
McDermott brings Freeman/Harding back
Dix to Nebby

OK. That thar is funny. I don't care who you are!

 

[Hawksfor3]

Heard some stuff today, call it from a sister of a sister of her friends boyfriends type of thing-
Dix/Freeman/Harding to Creighton
Fran resigns
Iowa hires McDermott
McDermott brings Freeman/Harding back
Dix to Nebby

 

[HawkBall23]

Heard some stuff today, call it from a sister of a sister of her friends boyfriends type of thing-
Dix/Freeman/Harding to Creighton
Fran resigns
Iowa hires McDermott
McDermott brings Freeman/Harding back
Dix to Nebby

Forget '3D chess'.

That shit is 12D level stuff!

lol

 

[HawkBall23]

I know that post was a joke, but after the whole ordeal about the lawsuits due to Kirk's "racism" - or at least 'racist by association to former staff' - on the football side, the last thing the school needs is to hire a coach with prior racist allegations, like McDermott.

 

[iahawks10]

Screams Cyclone troll…

JT seems like a Cyclone troll?

He’s been a solid contributor here for 20 years.

 

[sm_hawkeye]

JT seems like a Cyclone troll?

He’s been a solid contributor here for 20 years.

solid commentary but solid on inside information? We are suppose to just take his word based on…?

Not saying no one leaves just think this got pulled out of thin air.

 

[RushProbst]

I know that post was a joke, but after the whole ordeal about the lawsuits due to Kirk's "racism" - or at least 'racist by association to former staff' - on the football side, the last thing the school needs is to hire a coach with prior racist allegations, like McDermott.

Yea Mac is like a cross between David Duke and Edward Norton’s character from American History X. 🙄

 

[iahawks10]

solid commentary but solid on inside information? We are suppose to just take his word based on…?

Not saying no one leaves just think this got pulled out of thin air.

JT didn’t post any inside information. I’m just pointing out that you’d have to be pretty clueless to accuse him of being a Cyclone troll.

I agree with you on the thin air part, and it’s more than probably people are transferring at the end of the year. That is the landscape of CBB these days.

FWIW, a friend with Moline HS connections said the talk around the Moline HS basketball team (Owen’s brother) is that Owen is headed to Kansas. Not certain I believe that 100%, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit either.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

Big big difference because Crean had two Sweet 16's at Indiana including his second to last year. Fran could coach at Iowa indefinitely had he done that Iowa in nine years given our track record.

Miller wasn't great obvious, but Woodson has made the NCAA Tournament in two of his four years so far. They may very well still make it. The problem they have with him is due to NIL expenses they expect Sweet 16 & beyond every year.

 

[acuhawk]

Getting excited about a barely above .500 conference record and finishing in the top half of the league regularly is a big deal to some. Apparently.

I would trade multiple seasons of sub .500 performance for a final four run. The steady as she goes ship of mediocrity that hits the figurative iceberg come tourney time holds no interest for me.

Who says the next coach is a home run hire? Nobody that has any understanding of the current landscape. That's why you don't lock in with a ridiculous long term deal until there's post season success. Because if he's a bust, which is a very real possibility, then he gets jettisoned.

The primary goal is NCAA tourney success.
The somewhat distant secondary goal is winning the regular season BTT.
All other goals flow from those.
Everything that happens in this business should be in service of the primary goal. Success of the program will come in the pursuit of that.

Even better we have a poster using the above 500 conference record as an achievement while at the same time arguing the poorness of the big 10

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

 

[LukaDuka]

JT didn’t post any inside information. I’m just pointing out that you’d have to be pretty clueless to accuse him of being a Cyclone troll.

I agree with you on the thin air part, and it’s more than probably people are transferring at the end of the year. That is the landscape of CBB these days.

FWIW, a friend with Moline HS connections said the talk around the Moline HS basketball team (Owen’s brother) is that Owen is headed to Kansas. Not certain I believe that 100%, but it wouldn’t surprise me one bit either.

He'd be better off at Butler

 

[joelbc1]

Burn it all down and start fresh. That is the only way to change the culture.

No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD?

 

[joelbc1]

No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD?

 

[RocknRollface]

IU is a blueblood.
They brought in a hot coach from Marquette, Crean...fail.
Replaced him w hot coach from Dayton, Miller...fail.
Replaced him with IU legend, NBA coach Woodson...fail.
IU has it all...fan support, huge NIL money, fertile recruiting territory, legacy ECT., and they keep hiring coaches that fail.

Why does anyone feel confident
that Iowa will hit the jackpot with this one shot at hiring new coach?
The odds are extremely heavy that whoever we hire will not put Hawks in upper half of league 11 of 12 years...youall know that, right?

As Chad L. stated, Iowa has overachieved our program assets over the last dozen years.

I realize the Fran-fatigue is real.
I also feel it
I am realistic enough to understand that the most likely direction of the program is bottom third of the league with the other programs with similar profiles like:
Minny, Nebby,PSU,RU and NW.

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

I don't feel confident but it's not 1 shot, it's as many shots as it takes. May as well start firing because there's no logical reason left to stick with Fran.

The portal shortens the time frame you have to give a coach. It's 2 or 3 years max now and if you aren't obviously making progress just hit reset.

 

[hawkjt]

I don't feel confident but it's not 1 shot, it's as many shots as it takes. May as well start firing because there's no logical reason left to stick with Fran.

The portal shortens the time frame you have to give a coach. It's 2 or 3 years max now and if you aren't obviously making progress just hit reset.

Yes, we would have multiple shots so I overstated that.
Lick got three years and that was not a fun time as a fan.
Hope we can avoid coaching turnstile and hit on a good one right away.
Licks coach of year credentials fooled Barta.

 

[83Hawk]

Fact is: Iowa is a crappy BB job in the worst of power 5 leagues.

Wrong. Dead wrong.

 

[hexumhawk]

No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD?

Completely disagree. Our "culture" under Fran has been fake toughness and softness. That is why they generally melt at the end of games and in the tournament coupled with the worst defensive efforts I have seen out of a CBB team.

 

[HawkBall23]

Completely disagree. Our "culture" under Fran has been fake toughness and softness. That is why they generally melt at the end of games and in the tournament coupled with the worst defensive efforts I have seen out of a CBB team.

The Hawks usually have one good half or 15-minute stretch in 'em.

..... unfortunately, that's usually the 1st half.


IF they do have a good 10-12+ minutes in them in the 2nd half of games vs better competition, they are usually so far behind on the scoreboard that all they are doing is making the final score look respectable.