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The Hawks usually have one good half or 15-minute stretch in 'em.

..... unfortunately, that's usually the 1st half.


IF they do have a good 10-12+ minutes in them in the 2nd half of games vs better competition, they are usually so far behind on the scoreboard that all they are doing is making the final score look respectable.
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Easy to make plays and play loose when you are down 15 and there is no pressure. I judge teams by how they close out halves and close out games when they are close. There is no denying that we are generally terrible in those situations. That isn't even getting into our tournament woes.
 
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Easy to make plays and play loose when you are down 15 and there is no pressure. I judge teams by how they close out halves and close out games when they are close. There is no denying that we are generally terrible in those situations. That isn't even getting into our tournament woes.
What does that have to do with “culture”? This team has some glaring deficiencies. They are not a good shooting team which is crucial to “Fran ball” but dammit, they play hard and they hustle most of the time. They gave been decimated by injuries, too. This is a bad year for Fran/Iowa. Shit happens. But the problem with UIowa Men’s basketball is not “culture” in my opinion.
 
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Easy to make plays and play loose when you are down 15 and there is no pressure. I judge teams by how they close out halves and close out games when they are close. There is no denying that we are generally terrible in those situations. That isn't even getting into our tournament woes.

If you want to see tough and never give up look at Iowa womens finish against Ohio State.
 
What does that have to do with “culture”? This team has some glaring deficiencies. They are not a good shooting team which is crucial to “Fran ball” but dammit, they play hard and they hustle most of the time. They gave been decimated by injuries, too. This is a bad year for Fran/Iowa. Shit happens. But the problem with UIowa Men’s basketball is not “culture” in my opinion.
The culture of not playing defense or rebounding well is the crux of the issue.
 
The culture of not playing defense or rebounding well is the crux of the issue.
That is NOT “culture”… that is coaching. That is recruiting. Their rebounding technique is bad and their basic defensive technique is not great…but again, the kids are good kids, do the right things, keep their nose clean and go to class..that’s “culture”, in my opinion.
 
That is NOT “culture”… that is coaching. That is recruiting. Their rebounding technique is bad and their basic defensive technique is not great…but again, the kids are good kids, do the right things, keep their nose clean and go to class..that’s “culture”, in my opinion.

They’re both culture. We have a bunch of bible boys that don’t have that dog in them.
 
That is NOT “culture”… that is coaching. That is recruiting. Their rebounding technique is bad and their basic defensive technique is not great…but again, the kids are good kids, do the right things, keep their nose clean and go to class..that’s “culture”, in my opinion.

The coach creates the playing culture. He doesn't/hasn't instilled a culture of playing defense or rebounding.

Other coaches are known for creating certain playing cultures. For Dr. Tom it was full court press and rebounding. For Bo Ryan it was defense and efficient, slow-paced offense (and cheap shots).
 
That is NOT “culture”… that is coaching. That is recruiting. Their rebounding technique is bad and their basic defensive technique is not great…but again, the kids are good kids, do the right things, keep their nose clean and go to class..that’s “culture”, in my opinion.
Year over year their defensive rotations are just wrong. So either they don’t know or don’t care. It’s embarrassing to watch and I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it after all these years. They must only practice offense.
 
Year over year their defensive rotations are just wrong. So either they don’t know or don’t care. It’s embarrassing to watch and I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it after all these years. They must only practice offense.
“There’s more to the game than shooting!” - Norman Dale
 
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Year over year their defensive rotations are just wrong. So either they don’t know or don’t care. It’s embarrassing to watch and I can’t believe they haven’t fixed it after all these years. They must only practice offense.
I am sorry you are embarrassed to watch. However, your embarrassment has nothing to do with “culture”…. It’s coaching philosophy and recruitment you have a problem with…
 
No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD? ;)
You have to think his players love him because everybody has a constant green light and no expectation that they have to expend any energy on the defensive end, or at least there will be zero accountability if they don't.
 
Big East- UConn going for 3rd straight NCAA title- Marquette, CU, Xaiver, St John's ...overall better than BIG.
ACC- Duke, UNC nuff said
SEC- dominating top ten.
Big 12- Houston, Zona, KU TT ISU

BIG trails these leagues in BB til they prove it in March.
Edey is the only reason BIG has not dropped even lower in recent years.
I actually think this is a drawing card for a young coach. Come into the Big and you can quickly run the conference. People forget that the Big has more money than any other league because football is what pays the bills. A successful coach will get paid at Iowa.
 
You have to think his players love him because everybody has a constant green light and no expectation that they have to expend any energy on the defensive end, or at least there will be zero accountability if they don't.
It’s not just this years team …. It’s more to do with coaching philosophy… and in Fran’s system, offense is more important than defense. Football can’t recruit QBs and Fran can’t recruit PGs…FB is offensively challenged and BB is defensively challenged…the WBB team lost the greatest player in their history…..the one common denominator with these 3 teams…. Fans demanding the current HC be fired!
 
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It’s not just this years team …. It’s more to do with coaching philosophy… and in Fran’s system, offense is more important than defense. Football can’t recruit QBs and Fran can’t recruit PGs…FB is offensively challenged and BB is defensively challenged…the WBB team lost the greatest player in their history…..the one common denominator with these 3 teams…. Fans demanding the current HC be fired!
Philosophy creates culture.

Look at how much Ferentz leans on his seniors to provide leadership and perpetuate the culture of the football program (fundamentals, defense, value the ball, develop in to an NFL-worthy player if you stick it out).

When the basketball seniors are looked to for leadership, do you think the culture that Fran has created involves holding the underclassmen accountable for not playing good defense or going hard after missed shots?
 
Philosophy creates culture.

Look at how much Ferentz leans on his seniors to provide leadership and perpetuate the culture of the football program (fundamentals, defense, value the ball, develop in to an NFL-worthy player if you stick it out).

When the basketball seniors are looked to for leadership, do you think the culture that Fran has created involves holding the underclassmen accountable for not playing good defense or going hard after missed shots?
I am sure the younger players are taught the team’s expectations by the upper class men. As they are on the football team. The “particulars” will vary depending on particular coaches and their expectations. Do these expectations match those of the fans who follow the particular sports? Nope.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
 
I am sure the younger players are taught the team’s expectations by the upper class men. As they are on the football team. The “particulars” will vary depending on particular coaches and their expectations. Do these expectations match those of the fans who follow the particular sports? Nope.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
I thought we were discussing what culture was.
 
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What does that have to do with “culture”? This team has some glaring deficiencies. They are not a good shooting team which is crucial to “Fran ball” but dammit, they play hard and they hustle most of the time. They gave been decimated by injuries, too. This is a bad year for Fran/Iowa. Shit happens. But the problem with UIowa Men’s basketball is not “culture” in my opinion.
Not a good shooting team but play hard most of the time?

That's obviously false.

They're top 10 in scoring and field goal percentage in the country.

You're delusional. Just stop.
 
That is NOT “culture”… that is coaching. That is recruiting. Their rebounding technique is bad and their basic defensive technique is not great…but again, the kids are good kids, do the right things, keep their nose clean and go to class..that’s “culture”, in my opinion.

Most kids are good and keep their nose clean--that isn't a high bar for recruiting a basketball team. I think the Hawks most of the time play hard, but are soft. They do tend to quick shoot/ give up on defense when their shots don't fall or the other team makes a run. I don't think they go all out on rebounding. Payton tries pretty hard on rebounding, just can't jump and is not strong. Dix watches a lot and gets the ball ripped out of his hands. Harding is too tiny. Dembele can't jump but is very strong. Braun plays really, really hard but is short for center position.

True, Culture is not the most approriate description of a flawed coaching philosophy/system/roster.
 
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Not a good shooting team but play hard most of the time?

That's obviously false.

They're top 10 in scoring and field goal percentage in the country.

You're delusional. Just stop.
They may “score” points but they are not a good shooting team for the most part. They” score” because they shoot FT well and generally get to the line often AND steal ball for lay-ups with their “press”…. The have too many 4-8 minutes of non-scoring from the field to be seriously considered “good shooters”…Every game they have lost has one or more of these periods in it, I think.
Personally, I think it is time for a change. But change has ti be for the right reasons….too many fans want Fran gone because they think he can’t coach…and nothing is further from the truth. I’m my lifeUIowa fans have wanted almost every every coach fired…the exception being Ralph Miller. Lute wore out his welcome…. TD failed to get Iowa “to the next level” (whatever that means!)… Alford just “failed” as did Lick and Fran “doesn’t play defense”….
Enjoy the next Coach Boyz…just don’t pick his bones bare when you discard him.
 
They may “score” points but they are not a good shooting team for the most part. They” score” because they shoot FT well and generally get to the line often AND steal ball for lay-ups with their “press”…. The have too many 4-8 minutes of non-scoring from the field to be seriously considered “good shooters”…Every game they have lost has one or more of these periods in it, I think.
Personally, I think it is time for a change. But change has ti be for the right reasons….too many fans want Fran gone because they think he can’t coach…and nothing is further from the truth. I’m my lifeUIowa fans have wanted almost every every coach fired…the exception being Ralph Miller. Lute wore out his welcome…. TD failed to get Iowa “to the next level” (whatever that means!)… Alford just “failed” as did Lick and Fran “doesn’t play defense”….
Enjoy the next Coach Boyz…just don’t pick his bones bare when you discard him.
Lute did not wear out his welcome. He took an injured team to a final four for F's sake. Every Iowa fan was sorry to see him leave. And Iowa shoots 49% overall from the field & 37% from three. Those are pretty respectable numbers.

You've lost credibility, if you ever had any here.
 
I am sure the younger players are taught the team’s expectations by the upper class men. As they are on the football team. The “particulars” will vary depending on particular coaches and their expectations. Do these expectations match those of the fans who follow the particular sports? Nope.
There are many ways to skin a cat.
The expectation should be to win and win when it actually matters. That goes for the coach, for the players and for the fans. There are definitely different ways to accomplish that, and Frans way isn’t one of them. You can argue that all you want, but we have 15yrs of evidence that says otherwise.
 
They may “score” points but they are not a good shooting team for the most part. They” score” because they shoot FT well and generally get to the line often AND steal ball for lay-ups with their “press”…. The have too many 4-8 minutes of non-scoring from the field to be seriously considered “good shooters”…Every game they have lost has one or more of these periods in it, I think.
Personally, I think it is time for a change. But change has ti be for the right reasons….too many fans want Fran gone because they think he can’t coach…and nothing is further from the truth. I’m my lifeUIowa fans have wanted almost every every coach fired…the exception being Ralph Miller. Lute wore out his welcome…. TD failed to get Iowa “to the next level” (whatever that means!)… Alford just “failed” as did Lick and Fran “doesn’t play defense”….
Enjoy the next Coach Boyz…just don’t pick his bones bare when you discard him.
Iowa is 114th in steals per game, 302 in freethrows per game and 273rd in ft%.

So..... not good at any of those.

What they are good at is field goal percentage aka shooting, where they are top ten.

And being good at shooting is why they are good at scoring because making baskets is how you score points.

So if being top ten in ppg isn't good enough to win with "Fran ball" then Fran ball isn't going to cut it.
 
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It’s not just this years team …. It’s more to do with coaching philosophy… and in Fran’s system, offense is more important than defense. Football can’t recruit QBs and Fran can’t recruit PGs…FB is offensively challenged and BB is defensively challenged…the WBB team lost the greatest player in their history…..the one common denominator with these 3 teams…. Fans demanding the current HC be fired!
Nobody with a working brain thinks Jan should be fired, ( I can see questioning if they should have had an open search, but understand her getting the job), and quite frankly VERY FEW people even on this board think Kirk should be fired. Many here like myself would like to see whats next, but don't want him fired. Frans had 15 years and I think few believe were in for anything to really change (unless its for the worse) anytime soon.
 
Nobody with a working brain thinks Jan should be fired, ( I can see questioning if they should have had an open search, but understand her getting the job), and quite frankly VERY FEW people even on this board think Kirk should be fired. Many here like myself would like to see whats next, but don't want him fired. Frans had 15 years and I think few believe were in for anything to really change (unless its for the worse) anytime soon.
Two weeks ago kc, you were a minority here..fans are morons. 1st rule of “fandom”… BTW, I hope you are right about Kirk but I fear you are wrong… familiarity breeds contempt. Fran’s biggest sin to date…he has been here to long….ministers, golf pros and coaches…occupational hazard.
 
No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD? ;)
When did we raid Drake before?
 
bluder and jan. Gatens was an assistant there, but don’t think you can count him. Nobody else im aware of
I was talking about men’s BB since that’s what we are discussing. Blunder worked out ok. Fran failed at making a run with Garza and the Murray’s. He’s not going to get it done.
 
The expectation should be to win and win when it actually matters. That goes for the coach, for the players and for the fans. There are definitely different ways to accomplish that, and Frans way isn’t one of them. You can argue that all you want, but we have 15yrs of evidence that says otherwise.
15 years? Bullshit..
if “winning” your measure…it is 55 years. Be phuquin’ honest. Iowa has done decently post-season with Fran in the B10…be honest with your memory and your Iowa basketball history, please…
 
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Lute did not wear out his welcome. He took an injured team to a final four for F's sake. Every Iowa fan was sorry to see him leave. And Iowa shoots 49% overall from the field & 37% from three. Those are pretty respectable numbers.

You've lost credibility, if you ever had any here.
Lute left because it was time to go! Iowa fan lost a lot of its “awe” for Lute when he blew the Wichita State game in the NCAAs… Lute couldn’t count how many TOs he used.. Plus he blew a 20 point second half lead. The worst coaching job ever done by an Iowa coach. Lute was a Class A whiner, too. A good coach and recruiter but not without flaws.
 
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I was talking about men’s BB since that’s what we are discussing. Blunder worked out ok. Fran failed at making a run with Garza and the Murray’s. He’s not going to get it done.
Read any of my posts, im right there with you! I was just saying, those are the only coaches i can think of that Iowa got from Drake
 
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15 years? Bullshit..
if “winning” your measure…it is 55 years. Be phuquin’ honest. Iowa has done decently post-season with Fran in the B10…be honest with your memory and your Iowa basketball history, please…
Wtf should the measure be if it’s not winning?! And ya 15 years, he’s got 4 tournament wins in 15 freaking years, do you know how pathetic that is?! You obviously pay no attention if you think “iowa has done decently in postseason with Fran” just a ridiculous statement. I guess according to you, Iowa may as well just throw in the towel on trying to win since we don’t have a historically great program.
 
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