Define “winning”………..s i championships…which one? Regular season,,,,1970 or B10 a couple of years ago? NCAAs….the frustrations go back decades……..
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Well id start by at least challenging for BIG regular season championships. Then making it to the NCAA tournament on a very regular basis and have it be the expectation. Then once there actually have success. Fran could’ve bought himself a lot of good faith if he would’ve had any success in the NCAA’s but he’s done nothing but disappoint.
And i’ll add, since culture was brought up earlier, there needs to be a culture of winning. Every time the team steps on the floor they should believe they’re going to win, know what it takes to win and expect to win. Right now, there is no winning culture at iowa.
When was the last time UIowa had “success”m in the NCAAs? Fran has won a couple of B10 tour it’s…..and has challend]ged a couple of times for a B10 regular season title….of course, Lute Olson ties fora title 45 years ago….and Ralph won one 5t5 years ago….Lute made a Final 4 45 years ago…..which success are you citing…I am confused?
What part of his post made any reference to historic NCAA/Big success? If anything he is suggesting that should be a goal
Fran has won a couple of Big 10 tournaments?
you are such a worthless poster as always
1 Big Ten Tournament. His record in the BTT is abysmal!
I think it’s both. You create a culture of hard nose basketball which includes defense and rebounding and mental toughness. Fran’s culture is generally pretty soft and pretty boy ball.
I would like to see some of these guys stay if we get a new coach just to see what he can do with them, but, if they don't, what the hell. It is a start over and if in fact we get a really good coach/recruiter it is not like trying to rebuild in the 80s or 90s. Bottom line for me though....it is time......let's get focused on moving forward. The REAL scary thing for next year is if Fran stays and 3 guys leave.
i must need to check my meds... it almost sounds like you are putting fran ahead of Lute as a coach?No it isn’t. It is a way to change the culture….but does the Iowa basketball culture need to be changed? They have had a run of pretty solid people the past decade or so..just because you don’t like the way Iowa plays team defense hardly means you need to change the culture! You start with good people and good people as players and coaches. I have never heard anyone with half a brain ever say anything negative about Fran as a coach.. and his kids love him.
If Fran comes back, he comes back. If he leaves, he will be replaced. Do you think UIowa will ever get tired of raiding Drake U. For basketball coaching talent? Maybe we need to get out next FB coach from there, too? And while shopping, maybe an AD?
Lute Olson, the guy that won 13 conf championships, 5 ff, actually won the whole damn thing and is in the hall of fame...
and fran, who hasn't won shit.
on second thought, you need to check your meds.
Lute Olson was a class act both at Iowa and Arizona. He was able
to recruit players with good character and teach them how to play
winning basketball. As a Hall of Fame Coach he is to be respected.
to recruit players with good character and teach them how to play
winning basketball. As a Hall of Fame Coach he is to be respected.
Easily the ACC. UNC isn't good anymore and Virginia lost coach Bennett. I don't know that the ACC will have more than 5 teams in the tournament. Duke, Clemson, Louisville, SMU for sure then Wake and UNC will be fighting for a final spot.
9 of the 18 teams are .500 or below in OVERALL record.
SEC and Big 12 are for sure better.
I would still take us over the Big East.
Lute’s real success was after he left Iowa for Tucson. One Final 4 and one shared title I believe. However, when Lute left many here knew it was for the best. And again, I will stand by his flop at Wichita in the NCAAs as one of the all time epic choke jobs in tournament history….blowing a huge second half lead and losing track of time outs, that directly list the game.
I have said here before, it’s probably time for Fran to go. He has done a nice job here…Raveling-esque ( greatly upgraded talent but not the wins). Iowa has a couple of wats to go now…”hit” with an up and comer (like Olson) or pull out an established name with a strong reputation (like they did with Davis/Miller). It shouldn’t be as difficult to replace Fran as it was to replace Lickliter. I wish UIowa well. There is plenty of room in the rafters to hang those championship banners.
Mizzou was 0-18 in the conference last year and now their coach could be coach of the year. Ranked 15 and will be higher after last nights win. I’d love to keep Freeman and Dix but most coaches want their culture installed. You can rebuild in 1 year now.
Yeah. Tony Perkins looks pretty damn smart now.
$$$
I don’t think UIowa can match Mizzou $$$ at this moment.
Players are gonna go where the $$ is…better start drinking a lot more Swarm Swill…
Players also want to go where they have a chance to win. Tony realized it wasn't at Iowa.
So he knew going to a team that was “0-18” the year before was going to be his salvation?
Tony is indeed a wise man!
Players know who is talented and who isn't. When you look at the two teams' respective level of talent, Iowa is nowhere close to Mizzou.
So yes, he knew it was a better collection of players who had a better chance of winning.
Talent difference is because of NIL. Indiana pays O. Ballo more than Iowa's entire team. Million plus!
Iowa is near the bottom in in the B10 from latest podcast I heard.
Mostly because everyone is done with Fran and isn't going to invest in the program until he's gone.
So how did “0-18” Mizzery get all these skilled players? Were these tge same skilled players that went 0-18… or did Mizzery go out and buy a bunch of more skilled players?
Drink your Swarm Swill, think it over and get back to me, ok?
The real proof of coaching might be what has happened at Drake, this past year…New coach (from a lower division) takes a mid Major job, has to replace 6 primary players from last years championship Drake club and has them tied for the cinfeeebce title…BTW, I’m sure both Mizzery abd UIowa have considerably greater $$$ funds to work with when it comes to procuring players.
I'm all for bringing McCollum on board and have been for a couple years.
Bluder leads team to Final Four in her 23rd year as coach........
Well that’s kinda what Fran did. That’s what Bruce Pearl did….Kinda what Devries is doing? If we could get a young coach that we KNOW would have the level of success that Bo R has I’m all in…..who is that? You're really stuck on that 'give me a name or stop talking about Fran' angle huh.........
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That’s just not true. The final four was 3 years before Lute left and a lot of fans were fed up with the “Chokeyes”. The phantom time out call with no timeouts left against Wichita State. Fans are fickle and a little success left some wanting for more. Not saying the majority, but they were out there.
Most of my local friends are Mizzou alums, and their actually pretty surprised how quickly the bball turned around, and like Saucy T in his role for the Tigers. Most of them actually thought we'd beat Mizzou in the bowl game and didn't think much of their QB Cook. Interesting perspective from the other side....
Iowa basketball was the biggest thing in the state of Iowa from 78-82. Lute won the Big Ten in 78-79, 79-80 actually came in 4th in his final 4 season, and then had 3 2nd place seasons in a row before he left. He was great in the conference but struggled after that Final 4 in the tournament. 80-81 lost in the 1st round, 81-82 lost to Idaho in the 2nd round ( terrible loss) and 82-83 they actually beat Mizzou who was the 2 seed in the 2nd round and then in the Sweet 16 lost that tough 55-54 game to Villanova. Lute had gotten pretty thin skinned, and Iowa bball was the biggest game in town. His wife was tired of the cold and I think he saw a sleeping giant in Arizona. Turns out he was right.
I believe Bobby also had some medical conditions that made the dryer climate of Arizona more hospitable for her condition.
There's only 2 answers to that question based on 15 years of data
1. Fran wants it to be the goal and he isn't willing OR capable of doing it
2. Staff is fine with the current state of the program
I'll give the staff the benefit of the doubt so my answer is #1. With that said, it's obvious it ain't happening with Fran given his tenure and inability to adjust his philosophies to elevate the program.
Sometimes things just run it's course. No fault of any party
If the argument is that we should look back historically (40 years, etc.) to see that Fran's 4 tourney wins in 15 years is actually an accomplishment... Ok fine. So retain him. But this type of thinking shouldn't dictate future aspirations which I think was the point of @Slim45 post
Just blow it up and assume Iowa will improve? We did that, his name was Todd Lickliter. The Anti-Alford. Burned it to ground
May as well not even try
