Sorry, I didn't bring anything political into this thread until the President did. The stfu thread hadn't been started yet. After the President's comments, all the information on the crash released from now on is going to have a political spin.
Per CNN Regional Jet crashes in Potomac River
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He has none, he admitted as much in the press conference 2nd question. I’ve posted his response above. Pure deflection and blame game.
The below the surface implication I took was that the ATC had psychological red flags. Could be wrong.
In what way? be specific.
I think I am being very fair minded here. You may disagree. I dont care.
I’m telling you DEI didn’t change atc hiring. Even if it did those “inexperienced” hired ARE NOT working at dca.
Of course he has no evidence. And even if some "lesser qualified" or really just less experienced controllers, those individuals would be working the tower at CID or some other lower traffic airport.
What if we have a white male ATC that didn't pass standards, or was just not good at their job? I'm guessing you can't even entertain that as a possibility. Why is that?
ATC psych issues have been around for decades. This isn’t a now issue. It’s been kicked down the road since Reagan.
He has no reason to blame anyone. Hes only days on the job. No one is blaming this administration.
If this is him trying to make political hay out of tragedy, shame on Trump.
He blames it on DEI, when question said he had no proof. He blamed on hiring dwarfs, disabled, and psychiatric people. Then when questioned that nothing appeared to be at fault for air traffic control or pilots that’s appeared to be on the helicopter pilot, how could he blame on DEI he said the corespondent wasn’t very smart.
Be fair minded about this then
"If"!? Of course he's making political hay out of this. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES/EARS/ASSHOLE.
LOL. Fvcking clueless cult member
Pretty amazing we had posters here criticized, rightfully so, for injecting politics into this tragedy and now seeing the got dam POTUS do what he did in press conference. This is why our nation no longer comes together over any national crisis be it Fires, Floods, Pandemic, plane crashes. It is this mother ****er. He is single handily destroying our nation. Not both sides. It’s him and his boot lickers.
BTW, if there's a nugget of semi-humor to be derived out of this, it's that everyone local here (myself included) seems to think (erroneously) that the Maryland state border extends all the way north up the river to about hains point.
Poor DC. No respect, even in tragedy.
Poor DC. No respect, even in tragedy.
Then it is the fault of the ATC for letting them work.
I dont care what race the person at fault is. My posts in prior discussions suggest as much.
If standards were lowered for whatever reason, then that is unacceptable.
If this pilot was under remediation for continued failures and was out in such a high stress airspace without meeting the standards but was given chance after chance to improve then those on his base will be aware.
If the ATC had too many hours, stress going on at home that people were aware of, any recent difficulties then that is on the ATC and the ATC's boss for having him on shift.
If either was working when they shouldnt have been because of budget cuts then that is an issue to discuss.
There are lots of reasons things could have gone sideways here.
I hope Trump has good evidence for his implications or that's a real problem.
I suspect that the ATC crew and folks at Reagan know or suspect why issues occurred. Or the pilots colleague the same.
At my job, if something bad happens, and this happened under that watch of someone that was a poor performer, under significant stress, had substance abuse issues etc then people working around that person will immediately think damn, that dude shouldn't have been working. We dropped the ball. That could be the case here. The folks working with this ATC, or pilot, would know.
Trump jumping to DEI conclusions=bad
Libs jumping to Trump's a jackass=ok.
Got it.
Be consistent.
One of those statements is a guess, the other is describing behavior that was visible on TV an hour ago.
That is exactly what he is doing, I didn’t see any psychotic, disabled dwarfs walking out of the tower.
I stayed out of it until Trump started blaming everyone else but his administration. FYI it was his plan for the afghan withdrawal but him and others blamed Biden for that at the beginning of his administration, or did you conveniently forget that. Once you are in charge you are responsible end of story. There is no honeymoon:
It's definitely called for, it's the only way to kind of get you to pay attention to this ridiculousness.
It's unfathomable for Trump to have just said what he said in that press conference. The bodies aren't even recovered yet, and he's baselessly blaming DEI hiring? It's so disrespectful on so many levels (to the deceased, to ATC, etc), it's hard to believe. Oh yeah, and some people think Trump is a religious guy. Wow. What a piece.of.shit.
This is being unnecessarily glib about this.
ATC is under considerabel stress. Accordingly they have high processing, intelligence and psychological standards. These folks need to be rock solid under stress. Attention spans unlike others, rest requirements etc.
I suspect, if this is the ATCs fault, that somehow red flags existed and were ingorned or looked past. For whatever reason.
We will see.
I have been very fair on this topic. If you cant see that place me on ignore or direct your ire to others.
Do we think video games played a role yet?
And how does what you said (which is valid btw) have to do with trump blaming DEI and democrats? just admit he was wrong to do so.
Agreed. If he was casting blame, where none belonged, for political reasons that is a massive failure and Im ashamed he resorted to this.
Id also ask some to think about the fact that every single time a school shooting exists them domecrats immediately blame guns and Republicans for not passing 'common sense gun reforms'. Even often before all information is available it seems.
Both are shameful.
If there were "red flags" relative to this controller, that individual would be working the tower at SUX (or not working at all). They wouldnt be working this airspace.
The "red flags" regarding ATC at large are well-known by all.
We're not anticipating having to pivot to the erosion of the moral fiber of the nation until after 4 pm today. If that doesn't stick please move directly to education mistakes made by governors during C19.
I have. See below. Trump should have been better.
The ONLY excuse for not being is that he has solid information for his premature blame and transparency. If those are absent, he's done the country, himself and his voters an extreme disservice.
Even if he had "solid information," there are many days and weeks down the road he could describe that proof. He's already done many people a disservice today, irrespective of whether he has "solid information."
How do you know that to be true? Maybe his supervisor was at fault for ignoring them. Making him work, not following thru on concerns others have brought forward etc I have no idea.
Maybe so. He should have waited to cast blame, no matter his information, IMO.
There is time for that and this wasnt it.
I know in the same way that you said you suspect there to be red flags.
Finally! No, this most definitely wasn't the time to allude to DEI causing the deadliest crash in decades.
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Have you been in a coma since Trump first took the political stage? All he does is throw shit at the wall to weaponize a tragedy…hell on 9/11 after claiming he saw immigrants cheering the plane attacks he also then pivoted to talking up how he now had the tallest building in that part of Manhattan.
On.the.day.of.the.attack
He is human scum.
A bunch of people came at Chis last night for posting political spin on this - and they were right to call him out. Those same people are silent when it is the actual f*cking president. Amazing that their standards are set higher for a random poster on a random message board than they are for the most important job in the country.
Just remember Gus, you voted this piece of shit in. He is going to continue to be a piece of shit, because that is all he knows how to be.
Listen I have very specific experience in stressful situations. I am in one of the most stressful environments every day I work over the course of decades.
Some people are not cut out for it. Most cannot do the job. Most won't even try. The stress the job causes isnt even appreciated by the families of the those in similar positions. Either you can do it or you cant. Either you burn out or you don't. Either you resort to substance use or you don't. Either you get divorced or you don't. ALL of these affect my colleagues. Usually though, red flags come up and we can see that people need time off or need help. And we try to get that. But if we just had an intervention for someone regarding the above, a come to Jesus talk, and then they committed malpractice the next day due to a large error etc, we all would be like 'fvck'.
I just hope that doesn't exist here.
Some people are not cut out for it. Most cannot do the job. Most won't even try. The stress the job causes isnt even appreciated by the families of the those in similar positions. Either you can do it or you cant. Either you burn out or you don't. Either you resort to substance use or you don't. Either you get divorced or you don't. ALL of these affect my colleagues. Usually though, red flags come up and we can see that people need time off or need help. And we try to get that. But if we just had an intervention for someone regarding the above, a come to Jesus talk, and then they committed malpractice the next day due to a large error etc, we all would be like 'fvck'.
I just hope that doesn't exist here.
He does not have solid information. None at all.
And should’ve been better, that’s laughable but expected. I’m not going to engage anymore so no need to rebut.
