Please contact Speaker Mike Johnson's office and ask him to pass support package for Ukraine.

[ICHawk-I]

Because Putin wouldn’t like it. He’s our enemy, remember?

I have to disagree. I just saw Tucker Carlson interview nice Mr. Putin. We Americans had him all wrong. He's a really great guy and Russia is better than America. Having seen this I now feel that I was wrong about my support for Ukraine, and I am going to lobby my congress to oppose any support for them.

I also owe Tucker an apology, I thought he was just being used to spread Russian propaganda, but I realize he's a real journalist just trying to set the record straight for good of Americans. Go Russia!

 

[h-hawk]

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Huh?

Letting Putin roll over Ukraine could cost more. And if he attacks Poland, Romania or another NATO country, America would have to get involved.

No we wouldn't.

 

[Tom Paris]

No we wouldn't.

You are literally never right about anything on this board.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

You are literally never right about anything on this board.

I'm right about this.

 

[TylerJ23]

Huh?

Letting Putin roll over Ukraine could cost more. And if he attacks Poland, Romania or another NATO country, America would have to get involved.

It could end in nuclear war.

Almost 500,000 dead since the war began.

How many more do you think they should sacrifice?

 

[chonk]

Almost 500,000 dead since the war began.

How many more do you think they should sacrifice?

How many abortions are you ok with?

 

[BrianNole777]

Almost 500,000 dead since the war began.

How many more do you think they should sacrifice?

I don't know.

Do you think allowing Putin to take over Ukraine, make it into a slave colony for Russia then attack a NATO country is a better solution?!

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

The dems don't care about loss of life. At this point it's all about the Biden Administration not taking a L on foreign policy.

 

[praguehawk]

No we wouldn't.

If we back out of NATO or don't honor our promise we are a bunch of chicken shits. Our word and obligations would mean nothing. So you are right that we could break the treaty and let Russia invade those countries. It would however mean we are a bunch of cowards who no longer are the bulwark of democracy. Letting democracy get crushed is not what I think America wants. It certainly isn't what I support. I can however see that being your position.

 

[jonesy5960]

These guys (and I assume a fair number of posters here) see Putin as a Christian warrior who is aligned with their beliefs. They have no desire to fund a war against him. They would prefer he get it over with and prevail.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

These guys (and I assume a fair number of posters here) see Putin as a Christian warrior who is aligned with their beliefs. They have no desire to fund a war against him. They would prefer he get it over with and prevail.

It’s simpler than that. They love Trump, Trump hates Zelensky, and therefore they must also hate Zelensky.

 

[jonesy5960]

It’s simpler than that. They love Trump, Trump hates Zelensky, and therefore they must also hate Zelensky.

There is little that separates Trump and Putin in the eyes of the base. Tucker is a reflection of that.

 

[anon_911569jwrmy3z]

Where is congress going to cut spending to pay for foreign aid?

 

[TylerJ23]

I don't know.

Do you think allowing Putin to take over Ukraine, make it into a slave colony for Russia then attack a NATO country is a better solution?!

I think it's time to start talking about negotiating an end to this war.

I don't think we can just keep throwing money and humans at it.

 

[TylerJ23]

How many abortions are you ok with?

If I had my way? 0

What's your point?

 

[BrianNole777]

I think it's time to start talking about negotiating an end to this war.

I don't think we can just keep throwing money and humans at it.

Good luck negotiating with homicidal dictator Putin.

 

[jonesy5960]

Good luck negotiating with homicidal dictator Putin.

According to these folks Putin just needs better marketing.

 

[TylerJ23]

Good luck negotiating with homicidal dictator Putin.

Alright, then people will keep dying. In 3 years it'll be a million dead and the average age of a soldier 60.

 

[jonesy5960]

Alright, then people will keep dying. In 3 years it'll be a million dead and the average age of a soldier 60.

Assassination of the Dear Leader is the only solution. Otherwise just expect him to keep pushing his borders outwards as long as everyone keeps caving in the face of his aggression.

 

[BrianNole777]

Alright, then people will keep dying. In 3 years it'll be a million dead and the average age of a soldier 60.

If only your solution was so easy...

 

[Joes Place]

Reagan hated communism, not Russians.

During his second term in office, in May–June 1988, more than five years after using the term "evil empire", Reagan visited the new reformist General Secretary of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, in Moscow. When asked by a reporter whether he still thought the Soviet Union was an evil empire, Reagan responded that he no longer did, and that when he used the term it was "another time, another era"

Oh....so he'd be Putin's BFF now.
Got it.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If we back out of NATO or don't honor our promise we are a bunch of chicken shits. Our word and obligations would mean nothing. So you are right that we could break the treaty and let Russia invade those countries. It would however mean we are a bunch of cowards who no longer are the bulwark of democracy. Letting democracy get crushed is not what I think America wants. It certainly isn't what I support. I can however see that being your position.

We shouldn't be beholden to politicians who serve to enrich the MIC and themselves.

Remember what happened during the Cuban missile crisis? We got pissed, and rightfully so, when our adversary tried setting up shop on our doorstep.

NATO expansion has reached the level of absurdity. It's antagonistic. The U.S. has no intentions to fight and die for the likes of Lithuania. And we as Americans need to vote out any politician who is intent on sending Americans to die for it.

 

[IANDFAN]

We shouldn't be beholden to politicians who serve to enrich the MIC and themselves.

Remember what happened during the Cuban missile crisis? We got pissed, and rightfully so, when our adversary tried setting up shop on our doorstep.

NATO expansion has reached the level of absurdity. It's antagonistic. The U.S. has no intentions to fight and die for the likes of Lithuania. And we as Americans need to vote out any politician who is intent on sending Americans to die for it.

Poor Russia.

 

[praguehawk]

We shouldn't be beholden to politicians who serve to enrich the MIC and themselves.

Remember what happened during the Cuban missile crisis? We got pissed, and rightfully so, when our adversary tried setting up shop on our doorstep.

NATO expansion has reached the level of absurdity. It's antagonistic. The U.S. has no intentions to fight and die for the likes of Lithuania. And we as Americans need to vote out any politician who is intent on sending Americans to die for it.

Defending democracy doesn't mean we are beholden to the MIC. Your description of NATO as antagonistic shows your true colors.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

Isolationist America ends one way. Countries can't trust America, so time to build their own nukes. Germany, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Turkey, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, etc. Should work out well, just as non-involved America did in the early part of the 20th century. No doubt America will avoid being dragged in to another conflict.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Poor Russia.

Two things.

1. Screw Russia. It's a deeply flawed nation.

2. You are simple.

 

[globalhawk]

No matter the cost in human lives?

You act like Putin will just stop. What evidence do you have of that?

 

[thewop]

Ukraine is an easy pawn.

1. Nobody really cares if it falls.
2. The southern border is a much greater immediate threat to the US
3. The GOP knows that while the majority of America (even the majority of Republicans) wish to fund Ukraine, they know the political cost of not funding Ukraine is lower than the cost to Biden of not addressing the border.

Biden could all but sew up the election tomorrow by reinstating remain in Mexico, resuming the border wall project he halted when he took office (he wouldn't even need to add more), and signing the resulting deal to fund Ukraine/Israel. Simple formula, and no reasonable person would have a problem with any of that.

 

[Tiny Hands Trump]

 

[JupiterHawk]

Ukraine is an easy pawn.

1. Nobody really cares if it falls.

Really?

 

[jonesy5960]

How many abortions are you ok with?

As many as the women having them deem necessary. Or you can pay for their pregnancies and raise their children. Deal?

 

[TylerJ23]

You act like Putin will just stop. What evidence do you have of that?

I don't.

I guess we will just keep throwing bodies and money at it for the next decade.

 

[noleclone2]

Seeing the board’s biggest douche canoes show up in this thread against funding Ukraine and pro Russia tells you all you need to know about this issue (and how successful Russian disinformation and their alliance with MAGA still is)

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Seeing the board’s biggest douche canoes show up in this thread against funding Ukraine and pro Russia tells you all you need to know about this issue (and how successful Russian disinformation and their alliance with MAGA still is)

Who in this thread is pro Russian?

And you speak of disinformation...

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Usual suspects didn’t say shit when we were spending 300 million per day in Afghanistan.

Now, it’s how will we ever pay for it?

We can either:

Pay now, pay less, keep Americans out of the firing line.

Or

Don’t pay now, watch Russia invade a NATO treaty signatory, pay more and watch American die.

Or we can go the Chamberlain/Northern route and repudiate our NATO agreements and prove to the world that the GOP can’t be trusted ever again.

 

[jonesy5960]

Reagan hated communism, not Russians.

During his second term in office, in May–June 1988, more than five years after using the term "evil empire", Reagan visited the new reformist General Secretary of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, in Moscow. When asked by a reporter whether he still thought the Soviet Union was an evil empire, Reagan responded that he no longer did, and that when he used the term it was "another time, another era"

This isn't about Russians. What so many simpletons fail to understand is that Putin is the antithesis of Gorbachev, who Putin despised along with other Soviet Nationalists because he blames him for the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Putin has described that dissolution as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century". He wants his legacy to be the return of that Union.

 

[noleclone2]

Who in this thread is pro Russian?

And you speak of disinformation...

You are, wife beater.

All of MAGA is.

Most of the GOP is.

You guys are just too stupid to realize Russian propaganda and kompromat have been running the GOP since 2017.

 

[globalhawk]

I don't.

I guess we will just keep throwing bodies and money at it for the next decade.

But Russia bordering more NATO nations won't cost anymore of either? You don't live in reality.

 

[Randon]

Has anyone ever heard Trump condemn Putin for his unprovoked invasion of Ukraine? If so, please provide source - video link or written or spoken verbiage.