Predictions Thread

[Azchief32]

Have seen a few predictions for Iowa guys under different threads but thought we could officially get one going:

125-Gilman-3rd--TG can do it, but it is going to be have the guy that majored OSU
133-Clark-2nd--Clark has the ability, the motor, and the mentality to make a run
141-Jeva-7th--I really hope either he or Moore AA
149-Sorensen-3rd--Has the ability to make the finals but has to find his offense
157-Kelly 1-2
165-Moore-1-2
174-Evans 4th--If he goes down into consolations, will he pick it up and dust it off?
184-Brooks 4th--He could be the surprise of the tourney.
197-Burak 6th--I like Nate, he has a huge heart, but not enough offense to go with the top guys.
Hwy-Third

We have no real favorites so anybody that finishes on top would be a huge surprise. I would have went with Bobby but he has a tough road. He would have to wrestle the tourney of his life to finish on top. Anything that Kelly or Moore can give us will be a shot of whiskey along with a beer.

For us to win it, our Seniors are going to have to be able to shake off a loss in the consos and wrestle for a team title. Tough to do when your dream of winning it all is not realized. I have 8 All Americans...hope its enough. GO HAWKS!

 

[Mike_a_TetonValley]

The Hawks get 8/9 into the quarterfinals, after that it's a mystery. Go Hawks!!!

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by Azchief32:
Have seen a few predictions for Iowa guys under different threads but thought we could officially get one going:

125-Gilman-3rd--TG can do it, but it is going to be have the guy that majored OSU
133-Clark-2nd--Clark has the ability, the motor, and the mentality to make a run
141-Jeva-7th--I really hope either he or Moore AA
149-Sorensen-3rd--Has the ability to make the finals but has to find his offense
157-Kelly 1-2
165-Moore-1-2
174-Evans 4th--If he goes down into consolations, will he pick it up and dust it off?
184-Brooks 4th--He could be the surprise of the tourney.
197-Burak 6th--I like Nate, he has a huge heart, but not enough offense to go with the top guys.
Hwy-Third

We have no real favorites so anybody that finishes on top would be a huge surprise. I would have went with Bobby but he has a tough road. He would have to wrestle the tourney of his life to finish on top. Anything that Kelly or Moore can give us will be a shot of whiskey along with a beer.

For us to win it, our Seniors are going to have to be able to shake off a loss in the consos and wrestle for a team title. Tough to do when your dream of winning it all is not realized. I have 8 All Americans...hope its enough. GO HAWKS!

I think it's been mentioned before, but we have a streak with a Finalist going back to 1989. Oddly enough, a team with a decent chance to win it, but I'm not seeing a Finalist on this team, based on our late season results (I think we'll be fortunate to place anyone in the Top 3 to be honest - remember we have ZERO Big Ten Champions - which I'm well aware doesn't mean that can't be switched, I just don't expect it to). WAY too much hand fighting and not near enough wrestling. IF that trend continues, the results won't be there.

And our best chance IMO is with a Freshman, that's a little disturbing in and of itself.

Certainly we have 4 capable Finalist type guys I think (5 a couple of months ago with Sammy but he's looked pretty pedestrian for awhile IMO). I don't think we get a Finalist, and I don't think we get 8 All-Americans. Kelly and Moore would require late season miracles, and then we can't have any "toe-stubbers" with the rest of the group, which can and does happen (and no injuries during the tournament, which hasn't happened for awhile either).

Don't want to be doom and gloom guy, but the eye test tells me we need to be better than we have been to win this thing, which I don't think happens either. We have to score more in the 1st period regardless of competition, until that happens, I'm not sold on our Hawks, Sorry.

So memo to Tommy Brands and Co................ Go ahead and get 10 AA's and 4 Finalists and prove me completely wrong, I
can live with it.

All things are possible until it's over, so hoping for the best.

 

[clhawks00]

125 - Gilman 2nd
133 - Clark 1st
141 - Dziewa 6th
149 - Sorensen 4th
157 - Kelly 2-2
165 - Moore 2-2
174 - Evans 3rd
184 - Brooks 5th
197 - Burak 7th
HWT - Telford 4th


Chalk up another championship for the Hawks.

 

[caseyballzz]

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by Azchief32:
Have seen a few predictions for Iowa guys under different threads but thought we could officially get one going:

125-Gilman-3rd--TG can do it, but it is going to be have the guy that majored OSU
133-Clark-2nd--Clark has the ability, the motor, and the mentality to make a run
141-Jeva-7th--I really hope either he or Moore AA
149-Sorensen-3rd--Has the ability to make the finals but has to find his offense
157-Kelly 1-2
165-Moore-1-2
174-Evans 4th--If he goes down into consolations, will he pick it up and dust it off?
184-Brooks 4th--He could be the surprise of the tourney.
197-Burak 6th--I like Nate, he has a huge heart, but not enough offense to go with the top guys.
Hwy-Third

We have no real favorites so anybody that finishes on top would be a huge surprise. I would have went with Bobby but he has a tough road. He would have to wrestle the tourney of his life to finish on top. Anything that Kelly or Moore can give us will be a shot of whiskey along with a beer.

For us to win it, our Seniors are going to have to be able to shake off a loss in the consos and wrestle for a team title. Tough to do when your dream of winning it all is not realized. I have 8 All Americans...hope its enough. GO HAWKS!

I think it's been mentioned before, but we have a streak with a Finalist going back to 1989. Oddly enough, a team with a decent chance to win it, but I'm not seeing a Finalist on this team, based on our late season results (I think we'll be fortunate to place anyone in the Top 3 to be honest - remember we have ZERO Big Ten Champions - which I'm well aware doesn't mean that can't be switched, I just don't expect it to). WAY too much hand fighting and not near enough wrestling. IF that trend continues, the results won't be there.

And our best chance IMO is with a Freshman, that's a little disturbing in and of itself.

Certainly we have 4 capable Finalist type guys I think (5 a couple of months ago with Sammy but he's looked pretty pedestrian for awhile IMO). I don't think we get a Finalist, and I don't think we get 8 All-Americans. Kelly and Moore would require late season miracles, and then we can't have any "toe-stubbers" with the rest of the group, which can and does happen (and no injuries during the tournament, which hasn't happened for awhile either).

Don't want to be doom and gloom guy, but the eye test tells me we need to be better than we have been to win this thing, which I don't think happens either. We have to score more in the 1st period regardless of competition, until that happens, I'm not sold on our Hawks, Sorry.

So memo to Tommy Brands and Co................ Go ahead and get 10 AA's and 4 Finalists and prove me completely wrong, I
can live with it.

All things are possible until it's over, so hoping for the best.

Honestly if 60 percent of this happens I will drive to WDM house and streak down his street!

 

[Azchief32]

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by Azchief32:
Have seen a few predictions for Iowa guys under different threads but thought we could officially get one going:

125-Gilman-3rd--TG can do it, but it is going to be have the guy that majored OSU
133-Clark-2nd--Clark has the ability, the motor, and the mentality to make a run
141-Jeva-7th--I really hope either he or Moore AA
149-Sorensen-3rd--Has the ability to make the finals but has to find his offense
157-Kelly 1-2
165-Moore-1-2
174-Evans 4th--If he goes down into consolations, will he pick it up and dust it off?
184-Brooks 4th--He could be the surprise of the tourney.
197-Burak 6th--I like Nate, he has a huge heart, but not enough offense to go with the top guys.
Hwy-Third

We have no real favorites so anybody that finishes on top would be a huge surprise. I would have went with Bobby but he has a tough road. He would have to wrestle the tourney of his life to finish on top. Anything that Kelly or Moore can give us will be a shot of whiskey along with a beer.

For us to win it, our Seniors are going to have to be able to shake off a loss in the consos and wrestle for a team title. Tough to do when your dream of winning it all is not realized. I have 8 All Americans...hope its enough. GO HAWKS!

I think it's been mentioned before, but we have a streak with a Finalist going back to 1989. Oddly enough, a team with a decent chance to win it, but I'm not seeing a Finalist on this team, based on our late season results (I think we'll be fortunate to place anyone in the Top 3 to be honest - remember we have ZERO Big Ten Champions - which I'm well aware doesn't mean that can't be switched, I just don't expect it to). WAY too much hand fighting and not near enough wrestling. IF that trend continues, the results won't be there.

And our best chance IMO is with a Freshman, that's a little disturbing in and of itself.

Certainly we have 4 capable Finalist type guys I think (5 a couple of months ago with Sammy but he's looked pretty pedestrian for awhile IMO). I don't think we get a Finalist, and I don't think we get 8 All-Americans. Kelly and Moore would require late season miracles, and then we can't have any "toe-stubbers" with the rest of the group, which can and does happen (and no injuries during the tournament, which hasn't happened for awhile either).

Don't want to be doom and gloom guy, but the eye test tells me we need to be better than we have been to win this thing, which I don't think happens either. We have to score more in the 1st period regardless of competition, until that happens, I'm not sold on our Hawks, Sorry.

So memo to Tommy Brands and Co................ Go ahead and get 10 AA's and 4 Finalists and prove me completely wrong, I
can live with it.

All things are possible until it's over, so hoping for the best.

I am taking a chance on Jeva, he wrestled well at B1G. If he wrestles the same, he has a decent shot. We do have a chance for seven for sure...at least as sure as one can be. Here are my AAs by level of confidence:

Telford
Sorensen
Clark
Gilman
Evans
Brooks
Burak
Jeva
Moore
Kelly

I wouldn't sh*t my drawers if any of the top five got to the finals.

 

[wahlberg]

Iowa: 2015 National Champions

125 - 2nd (Downed by Waters in a doozy in the finals)
133 - NC (Love the draw, think he'll see Schopp in finals)
141 - 5th (Downed by Carter in quarters, loses to Mayes in consi semis, defeats Dardanes for 5th)
149 - 2nd (Falls to Tshirt)
157 - 1-2 (Downed by Demas in R1, defeats Elder, bounced out by Minotti)
165 - R12 (Makes quarters, drops to Moreno and Palacio back to back)
174 - 4th (Gets Storley in quarters, loses to Brown in semis, loses to Storley for 3rd)
184 - 4th (Drops to Dean in quarters, loses to Dechow for 3rd)
197 - 6th (Downed by Gadson in quarters, drops to loser of Cox/Snyder in consi semis, and loses to Schiller for 5th)
285 - 4th (Gets Coon in quarters, loses to McMullan, loses to Coon for 3rd)

8 AA's, 1 champ

I think this is your 2nd place team - Ohio State:

125 - 4th (Dropped by Waters in semis and Garrett for 3rd)
133 - 6th (Dropped by Schopp in semis, Brewer in consi semis, and falls to Gulibon for 5th)
141 - NC (Port in finals)
149 - 6th (2nd round loss to Habat, consi semis loss to Habat, downed by Kindig for 5th)
157 - 6th (Loses to Ness in quarters, loses to Green in consi semis, and loses to Pack for 5th)
165 - 3rd (Falls to Dieringer in semis)
174 - 7th (Back side sets up nice for him after 2nd round loss to Epperly)
184 - 1-2 (Loses first round, wins one on backside before getting bounced out)
197 - 2nd (Upsets Cox in semis, falls to McIntosh in finals)
285 - 1-2 (Loses first round, wins one on backside before getting bounced out)

8 AA's, 1 champ

Missouri 3rd (5 AA's, 1 champ @ 125)

Minnesota 4th (6 AA's, no champs)

Cornell 5th (4 AA's, 1 champ @ 184)

Okla St 6th (4 AA's, 1 champ @ 165)

Nobody else has more than 3 AA's.

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by Azchief32:

Originally posted by sloehawk:

I am taking a chance on Jeva, he wrestled well at B1G. If he wrestles the same, he has a decent shot. We do have a chance for seven for sure...at least as sure as one can be. Here are my AAs by level of confidence:

Telford
Sorensen
Clark
Gilman
Evans
Brooks
Burak
Jeva
Moore
Kelly

I wouldn't sh*t my drawers if any of the top five got to the finals.

I wouldn't be stunned if any of our Top 5 made The Finals either, they're certainly capable (I would admittedly be quite surprised if Sammy B made it, he's not the attacker he was early in the year, IMO, but we know its in him somewhere - hopefully the early season Sammy returns). The whole point of my "not so rosy" viewpoint is WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PACE!

IF that happens, I think we can win this thing pretty easy to be honest, if it doesn't, we'll probably be battling for 3rd. We all know "funny" things happen at NCAA's, hopefully we'll limit the "bad funny" from hitting us.

 

[93hawkeye]

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by Azchief32:

Originally posted by sloehawk:

I am taking a chance on Jeva, he wrestled well at B1G. If he wrestles the same, he has a decent shot. We do have a chance for seven for sure...at least as sure as one can be. Here are my AAs by level of confidence:

Telford
Sorensen
Clark
Gilman
Evans
Brooks
Burak
Jeva
Moore
Kelly

I wouldn't sh*t my drawers if any of the top five got to the finals.

I wouldn't be stunned if any of our Top 5 made The Finals either, they're certainly capable (I would admittedly be quite surprised if Sammy B made it, he's not the attacker he was early in the year, IMO, but we know its in him somewhere - hopefully the early season Sammy returns). The whole point of my "not so rosy" viewpoint is WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PACE!

IF that happens, I think we can win this thing pretty easy to be honest, if it doesn't, we'll probably be battling for 3rd. We all know "funny" things happen at NCAA's, hopefully we'll limit the "bad funny" from hitting us.

first period takedowns are absolutely what we need. The elite wrestlers have become so good at stalling that even a small lead is a real advantage in the 3rd period (see Gilman's B10 finals match)

 

[Auger]

Clark's 1st Rd matchup is no pushover. That said I like his draw.

 

[Lsanders20]

Perry from Lock Haven beat AJ Schopp last week. Schopp TF him the other two times they met.

 

[9Hawks]

I've been amazed with confidence this board has had in Brooks all season. Hayden Zillmer is probably his biggest win this season. 184 was by far the weakest weight in the Big 10 this year. Tamper your expectations or prepare to be disappointed.

 

[#10Hawk]

Gilman 4th
Clark 2nd
Dzieva 7th
Sorensen 3rd
Kelly 1-2
Moore 2-2
Evans 4th
Brooks 6th
Burak 6th
Telford 3rd

8 AAs; and we'll need those consolations' wins badly in order to win it all.

This post was edited on 3/16 2:41 PM by #10Hawk

This post was edited on 3/16 2:42 PM by #10Hawk

 

[LutherAce]

Originally posted by 9Hawks:
I've been amazed with confidence this board has had in Brooks all season. Hayden Zillmer is probably his biggest win this season. 184 was by far the weakest weight in the Big 10 this year. Tamper your expectations or prepare to be disappointed.

it might be because of how he has wrestled all year. He is a go getter. He is always pushing action

He lost a 1 point decision in Midlands final to the #2 seed.
He lost to OSU by 3 in a match he was winning and going for a fall


He has lost tight ones to the leaders of the weight class and most believe that he is able to get over the hump in the next match.

 

[pablow]

Originally posted by 9Hawks:
I've been amazed with confidence this board has had in Brooks all season. Hayden Zillmer is probably his biggest win this season. 184 was by far the weakest weight in the Big 10 this year. Tamper your expectations or prepare to be disappointed.

We know Brooks is better than a #9 seed the same way we know Jeva is too high as a #5 seed. We watch them wrestle.

 

[Lsanders20]

Originally posted by pablow:

Originally posted by 9Hawks:
I've been amazed with confidence this board has had in Brooks all season. Hayden Zillmer is probably his biggest win this season. 184 was by far the weakest weight in the Big 10 this year. Tamper your expectations or prepare to be disappointed.

We know Brooks is better than a #9 seed the same way we know Jeva is too high as a #5 seed. We watch them wrestle.

I think after Brooks got tossed to his back with a big lead against OSU the reins got pulled back on him. This to me was a huge mistake. Who cares if he lost that match. Even if it would have cost us the dual. Who really cares until March. Either way Sammy does not look like the same guy that he did prior to that match and I have noticed this with other wrestlers that have come through the program and it makes me want to puke. Almost like they are being taught to get the first td and then play the defense game after that. Pretty sad, but reminiscent of the transformation that Ramos took. Ramos used to get after it and pin everyone. Then he lost a couple matches and he changed his routine. If Brooks doesn't cut it loose he will be lucky to place. However, the way he was wrestling at Midlands would give him a good chance to place top 6.

 

[9Hawks]

I hope you're right, Luther. I just don't have the trust or confidence that he will be able to pull out the big one.

 

[TarpHawk]

184 will be very interesting, as several of those top guys have relatively weak schedules.

#3 Dechow is 29-1 but he only beat Brooks 6-5 at Midlands and his loss was to Miklus.

#5 Stauffer is 31-1 but his loss was to Courts; his biggest wins are #8 Zillmer in SV, and #6 Meeks.

#6 Meeks is 33-4--his losses are to Stauffer x3 and Boyd from Okie State; his biggest wins are 4-3 over Abounader and 4-3 over Pfarr.

#7 Thomas is 28-5, with losses to Thomusseit, Dechow (by MD), Dean x2, and an unranked guy from Princeton; biggest wins are 4-2 over #13 McCutcheon, SV over #9 Avery, and 7-5 over #8 Zillmer. Brooks has beaten everyone he's beaten.

Brooks has wins over #8 Zillmer and #9 Avery. In short, he's probably seeded appropriately, but aside from Dean and maybe Thomusseit, 3rd-8th are ripe for whoever wants them most, and I think that's why people see upside for Brooks at NCAAs.

 

[255]

Iowa wins, 8 AA's, a favorite will fall and one "hole" will surprise.
3 in the finals, 2 champs.

Other predictions:


After a tough round there will be three threads saying its over and muse if Perry were the head coach.We secure the title after consolation finals and the same guys who start thread above post "never doubted it".A favorite goes down and Morningstar will be blamed. Borchel job offer will be suggested.No one smiles at team championship picture except tom.One thread started before sat asking "what if" Grothus made 141?It will discussed that Morningstar is a poor recruiter and we need to get David Taylor in the room.We win #24, the flamers show up talking PSU's upcoming dominance.We win and still bitch a little about how we are not as good as the past. But then again, if we had 10 champs with 9 pins in the finals, we would still talk about the lack of pinning technique.
The only stalling we see called, will be against Iowa.

 

[hawkster03]

If I had to pick a NC I'd have to go with Bobby T or Sorensen. I'd like to add Gilman but he would be third on the list. No way Clark will get past Dardanes but hopefully he gets the chance.

 

[Gobblin]

Originally posted by hawkster03:

If I had to pick a NC I'd have to go with Bobby T or Sorensen. I'd like to add Gilman but he would be third on the list. No way Clark will get past Dardanes but hopefully he gets the chance.

I like that there's "no way" Cory will get past Dardanes despite of the fact that he was 7 seconds away from beating him in their last meeting.... Seems legit.
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[Azchief32]

Originally posted by 255:

Iowa wins, 8 AA's, a favorite will fall and one "hole" will surprise.
3 in the finals, 2 champs.

Other predictions:


After a tough round there will be three threads saying its over and muse if Perry were the head coach.We secure the title after consolation finals and the same guys who start thread above post "never doubted it".A favorite goes down and Morningstar will be blamed. Borchel job offer will be suggested.No one smiles at team championship picture except tom.One thread started before sat asking "what if" Grothus made 141?It will discussed that Morningstar is a poor recruiter and we need to get David Taylor in the room.We win #24, the flamers show up talking PSU's upcoming dominance.We win and still bitch a little about how we are not as good as the past. But then again, if we had 10 champs with 9 pins in the finals, we would still talk about the lack of pinning technique.
The only stalling we see called, will be against Iowa.

Bite your tongue 255...DT is the next guy up after Brands. The Cael coaching tree will start to bear fruit and overtake Gable and revolutionize wrestling.

 

[hawkster03]

Clark can't get a takedown on Dardanes. Dardanes can take Cory down. Size difference favors the Goopher. I like Clark but I really don't see it happening.

 

[sloehawk]

Originally posted by sloehawk:

Originally posted by Azchief32:

Originally posted by sloehawk:

I am taking a chance on Jeva, he wrestled well at B1G. If he wrestles the same, he has a decent shot. We do have a chance for seven for sure...at least as sure as one can be. Here are my AAs by level of confidence:

Telford
Sorensen
Clark
Gilman
Evans
Brooks
Burak
Jeva
Moore
Kelly

I wouldn't sh*t my drawers if any of the top five got to the finals.

I wouldn't be stunned if any of our Top 5 made The Finals either, they're certainly capable (I would admittedly be quite surprised if Sammy B made it, he's not the attacker he was early in the year, IMO, but we know its in him somewhere - hopefully the early season Sammy returns). The whole point of my "not so rosy" viewpoint is WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PACE!

IF that happens, I think we can win this thing pretty easy to be honest, if it doesn't, we'll probably be battling for 3rd. We all know "funny" things happen at NCAA's, hopefully we'll limit the "bad funny" from hitting us.

Just saw the predictions from the USA Wrestling guys. 1 has the Hawks winning, the other 2 say 3rd.

 

[DirtyJohns]

Uhhh, Meeks beat some guy named Dean

.

But I agree that 3-8 is up for grabs!

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Originally posted by hawkster03:
Clark can't get a takedown on Dardanes. Dardanes can take Cory down. Size difference favors the Goopher. I like Clark but I really don't see it happening.

Well lets just get to the finals first!

But I agree with others. Clark really is wrestling well and he is forcing guys to wrestle his style and pace now. The pace, style and ties were just night and day different between the 2 times he faced Dardanes.

I like where Cory is at right now. Honestly I am much more worried about Taylor from Wisc than I am anyone else in Cory's way.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Our guys are good enough to win the champship.
Have to just take one match at a time don't think or look at who may be next.
This is the time that mental preperation is so important. Know you can do and just go do it.
Give every match all you have and then some, keep advancing have less matches.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Our guys are good enough to win the champship.
Have to just take one match at a time don't think or look at who may be next.
This is the time that mental preperation is so important. Know you can do and just go do it.
Give every match all you have and then some, keep advancing have less matches.

Yep, If iowa just shows up and owns friday morning they will be about impossible to beat.

However ever since Omaha we have just sizzled out in that round. Just get as many in the semis as we can. THere is so much parody that you dont want to have to wrestle too many extra matches in the backside. Esp when stalling is never called and appearantly first period takedown are just an illusion anymore.

 

[Spoons]

Gilman: 1st
Clark: 1st
Dwieza: 6th
Sorensen: 3rd
Kelly: 1-2
Moore: 2-2
Evans: 3rd
Brooks: 7th
Burak: 6th
Telford: 1st

Top 5 teams:

1. Iowa
2. Fosu
3. Minnesota
4. Missouri
5. Cornell