To be clear Mr Ayres, you knew he wasn’t wrestling on Monday so why even bring Glory?
Princeton Grades
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Didn't know his credentials but he looked solid physically of course, and solid in his wrestling. Glazier couldn't do much against him, so kudos to him.
What I saw without grades after taking the night to cool down
125 Sucked! without getting into a what is best debate. Everyone wants to see Lee because he is just AWESOME! Knowing we were not going to see him. You brush it off and look to the next best thing that is seeing Ybarra and what he can do? Now there was a few different reports. 1) was tough talking glory did not make weight? 2) was he made it but did not want to Wrestle our back up??? Either one is very weak for a high ranking D1 wrestler.
133 DeSanto once again is the Tasmanian devil in a wrestling singlet. If he can put it all together he can win it all, easier said then done but i am looking forward to seeing him against YBjelly!
141 Can't even imagine what it would be like to wrestle this guy? Can not think of any way to prepare for it? Would love to see him add a real slick shot to his arsenal though. He seems to always shoot a straight on double when not hitting his throw-byes and funk stuff. A Pat Smith type High C comes to mind.
149 Loved what i saw out of this kid!!! If they give any match awards? He gets it.
157 Sorry to say he just looked over matched from an athletic stand point. "Wednesday" who needs to keep his mouth shut. Just looked to fast/explosive. I take nothing away from YOUNG who gets my WARRIOR award for what he does and has been doing for this team! I wish he could be at 165.
165 The flexibility in the other guys shoulders saved him. Reminded me of my Heavy weight against haselrig back in the day. Only difference is the Ref kept stopping that match LOL! Anyway, thought we should have seen his 3/4 nelson at some point.
174 Brands looked pretty good. His re-shots are amazing. I think there was one with about 40 seconds left in the second that should be shown to all wrestlers! Brands should be able to man this weight once the Kemdawg is done and do a nice job for us. Note: Please Terry add something on top, TY
184 Myles looked tough if not a little awkward at times. as was pointed out, not so sure how good that kid was? Nice win regardless in front of big home crowd, has to be a great experience!
197 Glazier is not a 197. Would like to see him battling at 184.
Heavy, %$#*!!! I am still so very angry I have to go get my chainsaw an relax!!!!
125 Sucked! without getting into a what is best debate. Everyone wants to see Lee because he is just AWESOME! Knowing we were not going to see him. You brush it off and look to the next best thing that is seeing Ybarra and what he can do? Now there was a few different reports. 1) was tough talking glory did not make weight? 2) was he made it but did not want to Wrestle our back up??? Either one is very weak for a high ranking D1 wrestler.
133 DeSanto once again is the Tasmanian devil in a wrestling singlet. If he can put it all together he can win it all, easier said then done but i am looking forward to seeing him against YBjelly!
141 Can't even imagine what it would be like to wrestle this guy? Can not think of any way to prepare for it? Would love to see him add a real slick shot to his arsenal though. He seems to always shoot a straight on double when not hitting his throw-byes and funk stuff. A Pat Smith type High C comes to mind.
149 Loved what i saw out of this kid!!! If they give any match awards? He gets it.
157 Sorry to say he just looked over matched from an athletic stand point. "Wednesday" who needs to keep his mouth shut. Just looked to fast/explosive. I take nothing away from YOUNG who gets my WARRIOR award for what he does and has been doing for this team! I wish he could be at 165.
165 The flexibility in the other guys shoulders saved him. Reminded me of my Heavy weight against haselrig back in the day. Only difference is the Ref kept stopping that match LOL! Anyway, thought we should have seen his 3/4 nelson at some point.
174 Brands looked pretty good. His re-shots are amazing. I think there was one with about 40 seconds left in the second that should be shown to all wrestlers! Brands should be able to man this weight once the Kemdawg is done and do a nice job for us. Note: Please Terry add something on top, TY
184 Myles looked tough if not a little awkward at times. as was pointed out, not so sure how good that kid was? Nice win regardless in front of big home crowd, has to be a great experience!
197 Glazier is not a 197. Would like to see him battling at 184.
Heavy, %$#*!!! I am still so very angry I have to go get my chainsaw an relax!!!!
Hypothetically speaking let's say Kaleb Young wasn't going to wrestle last night for whatever reason either. Would Ayres have sat Monday aswell because the guy he prepared for didn't go? Obviously Ayres had 0 intention of trying to win the dual from the start. His EGO got in the way
Kelly weighs in (see what I did there😉):
Lol James Kelly is awesome.
Seems like there was concern that even if he could shed the last 8oz he was going to be compromised against a quality backup that was gonna have no issue going 7 minutes.
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Sounds like Ayers is a big fat liar. For one, they knew Spencer wasn't going all week. Glory would not have been trying to make weight at all which it's been proven he was. Second, he would rather sit a highly favored guy and give up a likely 9 or more team point swing? That's not doing his job as coach of the team. Lastly the logic that we are not going to wrestle if the guy we wanted to wrestle isn't going is moron logic. The sport would be dead in short order if teams went by that logic. What a clown 🤡.
Was listening to the radio on the drive in, and Ironside said he talked to Spencer Lee before the broadcast, and Lee told him Glory was trying to cut for over 2 hours to make weight, so he was obviously wanting to wrestle no matter who Iowa sent out. Ayres stirring the pot.
it was a yawner of a dual .... admittedly.... I figured with beer and after missing last season the crowd would be a little more “rowdy” but just a weird night I thought..... and we still smoked a decent Princeton team with backups mostly
I have no doubt things will liven up as the season goes on
Not sure why everyone hasn’t blocked Chips yet..... I don’t need to hear his bullshit..... and Spooner brought up Frydaze 😂 I’ve had him blocked for 15 years.....fing guy drives me insane..... fing cheeto fingered fountain of knowledge 🙄
I have no doubt things will liven up as the season goes on
Not sure why everyone hasn’t blocked Chips yet..... I don’t need to hear his bullshit..... and Spooner brought up Frydaze 😂 I’ve had him blocked for 15 years.....fing guy drives me insane..... fing cheeto fingered fountain of knowledge 🙄
F for Princeton for forfeiting their 125 lb. match.
C for Iowa having 50% of their lineup as backups.
I know the end game is what's ultimately important in this sport, but what we saw last was not best for the sport.
Our 149 guy amazed me. It looked like he was being DeSantoed, and he ends up with the headlock. Amazing.
Cass was a minor disappointment, but that's a fluke, and I'm not sure he was pinned. Bad angle.
The only real disappointment to me was Young. Considering their last match, and where Young is supposed to be in his career, that was a dominating loss.
C for Iowa having 50% of their lineup as backups.
I know the end game is what's ultimately important in this sport, but what we saw last was not best for the sport.
Our 149 guy amazed me. It looked like he was being DeSantoed, and he ends up with the headlock. Amazing.
Cass was a minor disappointment, but that's a fluke, and I'm not sure he was pinned. Bad angle.
The only real disappointment to me was Young. Considering their last match, and where Young is supposed to be in his career, that was a dominating loss.
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Did we not learn our lesson on this garbage a few years ago? Same crap was said after the first dual, we spent days/weeks on end debating it to the Nth degree with our own fans ripping our coaches to the Nth degree…and it turned out our guys were out for legit reasons, no one was faking anything, and said people ended up looking like idiots.
Lee has been talked about and talked about. But we haven’t seen Murin or Kem on the mat at all yet and Warner was clearly injured at Luther.
Be better.
I only said it was "not best for the sport." I didn't even say it was bad for the sport. If you think last night is what's best for the sport, then I have one thing to say to you:
Be better.
The guy who Nelson majored held Mekhi Lewis to a decision.
Putting injured or sick wrestlers on the mat isn’t “best for the sport.”
That’s true of any sport. Iowa has two starting defensive backs out today vs due to injury. Is Iowa hurting the sport of football by not playing them today?
When the starter is hurt or sick the backup goes. That’s how sports work.
What a ridiculous take.
You have no idea of the degree with which Iowa's starters are "injured". We all know Lee's issues, and we all know he recently wrestled intersquad. Are these guys practicing, or are they held out there too? No idea, but it is certainly possible they are practicing with little concern, or doing so with some typical caution.
Kem has a history of injuries and he's proven and "old". Warner got "dinged" at the Luther Open, if it's Midlands he probably wrestles in the Finals (there is a difference). No idea about Murin, but his spot is up for grabs.
I would be willing to wager that every Iowa Starter that sat last night would have wrestled were it Big Tens, with the same "injuries", and I have no idea to the degree they are all injured either. Sports these days are approached with caution first and foremost and more guys "rest" than any other time in Sports history.
I don't care if they wrestled or not, but to claim they are all legitimately injured to the degree they couldn't go out there is ridiculous. Starters don't have to be injured for a backup to go, sometimes a guy just gets a shot because the Coach wants to throw them a bone. Not the first time that's ever happened.
There's a huge difference between not wrestling and can't wrestle at all. If this were Penn State last night instead of Princeton, you can bet your ass the lineup is different, and likely significantly different, IMO. There's a lot riding on that dual, even though it's merely "a dual".
Princeton wasn't a threat, that's why we got the lineup we did. It is what it is, good, bad or otherwise.
Really? The entire premise of the post I replied to is that they aren’t. We don’t know that either but the post I replied to jumps to that conclusion. Is that OK? To assume the worse?
What we do know is that two of them havent seen the mat this year while the other was clearly hurt last weekend. Is it really that hard to add up?
We went through these exact same discussions a few years ago and people ended up looking pretty silly as that season wore on.
Sure, you can assume the worst, don't know why anybody would, but whatever.
You know why Coaches rest players in Sports? Because they can.
And they MOSTLY don't give a rats ass whether any of us like it or not. There is such a thing as a healthy scratch. It's more common today across the sports landscape than it's ever been.
What did Kem and Murin do in the off-season that caused them to be so tired they couldn’t wrestle off, go to Luther or participate in the opener? Did they compete in multiple iron mans or something? And did Warner’s fairly obvious injury at Luther cause him to be…tired?
The bottom line is this: that guy ripped the coaches for hurting the sport without any evidence to support it, and you defended him. And I’m somehow the wrong one. Ok.
What a ridiculous straw man.
I never said put sick or injured wrestlers on the mat.
We both "know" high ranked guys who could have wrestled were held out by both teams, and would have wrestled if a more important meet.
That's what's I think is not best for the sport.
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The bottom line is that you are either intentionally misrepresenting or you've grievously misunderstood.
I never ripped the coaches nor said they were hurting the sport.
If Glory had to work that hard to make weight............
He's pretty lucky he didn't have to wrestle Lee.
Would have been fun to see though..........💥🔥⚡💫
P.S. I think these emoji's were designed by prisoners in Chinese Labor Camps.
He's pretty lucky he didn't have to wrestle Lee.
Would have been fun to see though..........💥🔥⚡💫
P.S. I think these emoji's were designed by prisoners in Chinese Labor Camps.
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“F for Princeton for forfeiting their 125 lb. match.
C for Iowa having 50% of their lineup as backups.
I know the end game is what's ultimately important in this sport, but what we saw last was not best for the sport.”
I don’t even know what to say. You’re being critical without knowing anything. Again, this happened a few years ago and it ended poorly for the slack jaw crew.
Yeah, super critical. I merely said it wasn't best for the sport. Oh, the horror and the ripping on our coaches, lol.
I'll supply a special "Hermeneutical Assistance for Spooner Section" next time.
CS needs to claim that spot at 149. Looks like the fifth year senior is fourth string at this weight. I’m surprised that spot on the roster didn’t go to a youngster with potential to develop at a needed weight.
I have a tough time figuring out why we have no better options at 157 after all of these years.
I have a tough time figuring out why we have no better options at 157 after all of these years.
Yea that 3x AA with multiple wins over the number 2 is a hole…
He was disappointing last night, but he'll come around. He always does.
Here are my grades:
125: A- Would have been nice to watch a match but at least both wrestlers showed up.
133: A ADS rocked it!! Good TF!
141: A- Excellent effort. We didn't take many shots, but not to worry, Lee, Micic and Rivera will come to you.
149: A This kid came to wrestle and put on a show; reminded me of the first time I saw Spencer Lee. Loved it!!
157: A- Outstanding effort against a superior opponent. Hopefully Monday will be nicer next time.
165: A- Great showing. Not much scoring but a win is a win.
174: A Very entertaining. Brands was always trying to score points. Good job!
184: A Loved watching Myles wrestle; he never stopped trying to score points. Good TF!
197: A- Excellent effort against a superior opponent. Hope we don't face many more guys like that.
285: A- Great effort by the U23 world champion! Tried for the pin, but it didn't work out.
Overall team score: A/A- Some of these men really came out to put on a show for the fans who love watching Iowa wrestling. As for the rest, they gave it their all...and we'll get em next time. Let's just hope that PSU wrestlers aren't as mean to us as some of those Princeton wrestlers were.
Jeesh dude where were your grades when I was in school. I wasn’t disappointed the way some were but these grades are way to damn rosie. You must be being satirical here and I’m just not seeing it.Here are my grades:
125: A- Would have been nice to watch a match but at least both wrestlers showed up.
133: A ADS rocked it!! Good TF!
141: A- Excellent effort. We didn't take many shots, but not to worry, Lee, Micic and Rivera will come to you.
149: A This kid came to wrestle and put on a show; reminded me of the first time I saw Spencer Lee. Loved it!!
157: A- Outstanding effort against a superior opponent. Hopefully Monday will be nicer next time.
165: A- Great showing. Not much scoring but a win is a win.
174: A Very entertaining. Brands was always trying to score points. Good job!
184: A Loved watching Myles wrestle; he never stopped trying to score points. Good TF!
197: A- Excellent effort against a superior opponent. Hope we don't face many more guys like that.
285: A- Great effort by the U23 world champion! Tried for the pin, but it didn't work out.
Overall team score: A/A- Some of these men really came out to put on a show for the fans who love watching Iowa wrestling. As for the rest, they gave it their all...and we'll get em next time. Let's just hope that PSU wrestlers aren't as mean to us as some of those Princeton wrestlers were.
