PSU scholarships
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Full rides to 5 national champs so they have 4.9 left to spread out
Our full rides need to do the same aka win titles and I'm completely guessing who got them but Kemerer (who I thought I heard got 50 academics and 50 scholly), Marinelli, Lee, Warner, Teasdale.
Our full rides need to do the same aka win titles and I'm completely guessing who got them but Kemerer (who I thought I heard got 50 academics and 50 scholly), Marinelli, Lee, Warner, Teasdale.
I come in piece...but this is from our Athletic report that came out a few weeks ago.
Scholarship Info:
Athletic Aid Equivalency - 9.66
Number of Students Receiving Athletic Aid - 32
Total Dollar Amount - $397,006
Penn State is not conventional with their scholarship allocation. You have wealthy families that are willing to trade % to be apart of the program.
We also have guys in ROTC and academic scholarship that allows the above to happen.
Scholarship Info:
Athletic Aid Equivalency - 9.66
Number of Students Receiving Athletic Aid - 32
Total Dollar Amount - $397,006
Penn State is not conventional with their scholarship allocation. You have wealthy families that are willing to trade % to be apart of the program.
We also have guys in ROTC and academic scholarship that allows the above to happen.
My daughter went to psu and my son attended Lehigh .
I was divorced from my ex ( kids were twins ) and they did get decent financial aid . If my son was some high school all American we still could have easily afforded school with a few student loans with minimal scholarship help .
And with both parents slums of penn state , we'd be thrilled to send them there with no scholarship help. He would have been close to home 1.5 - 2 hours away.
Think of you grew up 100 miles from Alabama and both parents were alums you would attend Bama if you were invited to walk on?
I was divorced from my ex ( kids were twins ) and they did get decent financial aid . If my son was some high school all American we still could have easily afforded school with a few student loans with minimal scholarship help .
And with both parents slums of penn state , we'd be thrilled to send them there with no scholarship help. He would have been close to home 1.5 - 2 hours away.
Think of you grew up 100 miles from Alabama and both parents were alums you would attend Bama if you were invited to walk on?
It would be nice to get a clear explanation of this. At some point the out of state wrestlers and families won't be willing to accept paying .25 of a schollie (assuming they get offered .75) just to have "fun".
Also looking for a clear explanation or even a hypothetical at this point of how their scholarship distribution even remotely makes sense.
125- >.75 (suriano)
133- >.75 (Cortez) (out of state, so prob higher)
141- .<75 (guilibon)
149- .75 (zain)
157- .75 (nolf)
165- .75 (Joseph)
174- 1.0 (hall) .5 (Rasheed)
184- 1.0 (Nickal)
197- .5 Cassar
HWT- 1.0 (Nevills)
Berge, Young, Wittlake, Lee
This is the closest I can come. Out of state guys in full and the rest in state pay .75 or less.?? So no money for Morelli or Mc Cutcheon? Anyone else I am missing? That is my best hypothetical.
Also looking for a clear explanation or even a hypothetical at this point of how their scholarship distribution even remotely makes sense.
125- >.75 (suriano)
133- >.75 (Cortez) (out of state, so prob higher)
141- .<75 (guilibon)
149- .75 (zain)
157- .75 (nolf)
165- .75 (Joseph)
174- 1.0 (hall) .5 (Rasheed)
184- 1.0 (Nickal)
197- .5 Cassar
HWT- 1.0 (Nevills)
Berge, Young, Wittlake, Lee
This is the closest I can come. Out of state guys in full and the rest in state pay .75 or less.?? So no money for Morelli or Mc Cutcheon? Anyone else I am missing? That is my best hypothetical.
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Nevills is on record that he is getting 60%.
Manville 0% ROTC
Highly doubt Cassar is getting 50%. 1/3 at best, my opinion.
Don't think anyone is getting 100% because of grants and other financial aid.
Manville 0% ROTC
Highly doubt Cassar is getting 50%. 1/3 at best, my opinion.
Don't think anyone is getting 100% because of grants and other financial aid.
I live about 40mins from Happy Valley and last year I was told that neither Nico or nolf was on any kind of scholarship....if it's true that really helps
At some point these numbers don't make sense even to very wealthy people! So if Nevills is on .6 he and his family have agreed to dole out anywhere from 40k minimum (that is a low estimate based on INSTATE) over 5 years of their own money to attend Penn State when he could get a full ride almost anywhere? If so great for them but NOT the case with MOST wrestling families.
This article mentions Penn State doesn't offer academic aid?! Cael mentions they don't have to. So guess there is no academic aid either? So where does the money come from?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pennlive.com/articles/16599854/penn_state_wrestling_smaller_t.amp
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Often wealthy alums pay off college debts for athletes after graduation. Happens all the time.
I have no knowledge of penn st, but at most universities, very few students are paying 100% of tuition. There is almost no reason to give anyone 100%.
It's also an investment in long term goals. I may be off base here (someone in the know, please correct) , but I'd assume the NLWC is one of the better training facilities on a college campuses. If this holds true, the 40k you invest is small to put your kid in one of the best rooms in the country for their international, professional goals.
I've talked to some close as well. They said the same thing. In Nico's case his family is very wealthy so they declined any scholarship. In fact, same conversation they said that Nico has a heck of wrestling facility at his house and a lot of the young guns use it frequently.
A good friend of mine was on a Gable team and never made the lineup. I remember him saying that he had the same scholarship allotment as Mcllravy. All the money was split up pretty evenly. He lived in low-income housing with a bunch of other athletes. When you have things rolling, athletes are pretty willing to do what they need to be a part of it.
Good information. Wow! 32 receiving athletic aid even strengthens my case more and drops MY numbers down significantly. Now where does this money REALLY come from? Alums make the most sense, but suspect NCAA really frowns on this.
Other suggestions:
1. Wealthy alums payoff debt. Makes the most sense to me. How does this recruiting pitch go? When you graduate we will "take care of you". If so this explains why tOSU and PSU rising. Ridiculous alumni bases. Not sure how NCAA views this other than it is like getting a "GUARANTEED" job?!? Again think NCAA would frown on this? But this is most plausible explanation. Work camps when you are done and we give you a 40k stipend. I get it.
2. Long term investment. Don't think John Smith, Tom Ryan, Tom Brands, Zeke, Brian smith, Koll are offering this? Even THEY aren't getting every elite recruit. I get it, but at some point money is money and giving up 40k minimum won't exactly be repaid by a non guaranteed NFL contract, and that is for football, not wrestling where there are NO guarantees until you become Jordan Burroughs.
Ryan has his own fertile recruiting grounds. Brands, Zeke, Smith, and Smith could all cherry pick Pennsylvania and there would still be plenty of athletes left over.
The best thing Iowa has going for it is our niche with the lightweights. Terry makes it possible to get Lee and Teasdale. I'd love to see Taylor on staff at Iowa get a similar thing in the upper weights.
The best thing Iowa has going for it is our niche with the lightweights. Terry makes it possible to get Lee and Teasdale. I'd love to see Taylor on staff at Iowa get a similar thing in the upper weights.
Blows my mind how the scholly allocation across sports is distributed. Wrestling cant even cover a 10 man lineup but football can go 4:1 with starters and basketball is 3:1 ish. And people want to know how the Bamas and Dukes are able to solifdfy them selves. It rather amazing what PSU has done with whats avail.
Penn State does offer academic aid for good students, like all schools.
Scholarship Info:
Athletic Aid Equivalency - 9.66
Number of Students Receiving Athletic Aid - 32
NCAA Membership Financial Report link
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...c_non_event/FY-2016-NCAA-Financial-Report.pdf
All of the below data is just for wrestling:
Ticket Sales - $639,917
Contributions - $370,384*
Program, Novelty, Parking & Concessions - $45,188
Restricted Endowment & Investments Income - $596,267
(only football and men's ice hockey were higher)
Other operating income - $81,682
Total Operating Income - $1,730,438
(only football, men's BB, and men's ice hockey were higher)
Scholarship Info:
Athletic Aid Equivalency - 9.66
Number of Students Receiving Athletic Aid - 32
Total Dollar Amount - $397,006
Guarantees (amounts paid to visiting participating institutions, including per diems and/or travel and meal expenses)
$5,000
Head Coach - 1
Assistant Coaches - 2
Support Staff/Administrative Compensation, Benefits and Bonuses paid by the University and Related Entities:
$104,347
Recruiting Expenses - $45,532
(higher than all but, in order, football, men's BB, women's BB, men's ice hockey, women's VB)
Team Travel - $294,267
Equipment, Uniforms and Supplies - $88,112
Game Expenses - $72,845
Fund Raising, Marketing and Promotion Expenses - $22,180
Athletic Facilities Debt Service, Leases and Rental Fee - $311,282
(only women's BB and men's BB are higher)
Direct Overhead Administrative Expenses - $5,164
Membership & Dues - $2,001
Student-Athlete Meals (non-travel) - $18,904
Other Operating Expenses - $260,711
(only football is higher)
Total Operating Expenses - $2,432,567
(exceeded by football, men's BB, women's BB, men's ice hockey, women's VB)
# of participants - 32
# of participants on a 2nd team - 1
Coaching:
Head Coach - 1
Full Time Assistant - 2
Part Time Assistant - 1
Operating Expenses - $455,224
Per Capita Expenses - $14,226
Revenues - $1,730,438
Expenses - $2,121,285
So why would Cael state they don't offer academic aid and they don't need to? Serious question. For 9.9 on 32 kids there must be alot of external "support" coming from somewhere if athletic aid isn't involved per Cael.
I think this whole thing is completely blown out of proportion. Its not illogical to think people will take less to go to Penn State, when we saw the same thing happen at Iowa during our heyday. Sure, scholarship alotments may have been different, but I would argue Iowa had more depth during that time as well.
Plus as others mentioned, look at all the available aid that could be out there - grants, specialty based loan forgivement programs (IE - teaching in Iowa at specific levels), academic scholarship or whatever need based aid, ROTC, wealthy families, clinician money from working camps (can the athletes still earn certain amounts as in past?).......the list could go on and on. Furthermore, i know they have some out of state studs, but having the ability to pay in-state tuition for a majority of the guys helps.
Plus as others mentioned, look at all the available aid that could be out there - grants, specialty based loan forgivement programs (IE - teaching in Iowa at specific levels), academic scholarship or whatever need based aid, ROTC, wealthy families, clinician money from working camps (can the athletes still earn certain amounts as in past?).......the list could go on and on. Furthermore, i know they have some out of state studs, but having the ability to pay in-state tuition for a majority of the guys helps.
I have idea. He was probably miss quoted.
My son will receives a lot of money for being a good student.
I could be that he's saying the wrestling team doesn't offer academic scholarships. If a wrestler for academics on their own merit then it is a benefit to the wrestling team, but not because of the wrestling team. I'd heard that Nolf is a heck of student and doesn't use any of the wrestling 9.9 because of it.
I don't think it is blown out of proportion. We all know this is not the Gable years- where NCAA rules were not nearly as scrutinized. I lived those along with the 90's. That is when there was little parity. Now there is a lot more parity in wrestling. You don't see Smith, Brands or Ryan establishing insane recruiting classes year after year after year- scholarship money is there for a reason to even the playing field.
The main point is Cael is doing something different to assemble a team of superstars and other teams need to figure it out or it won't change. Just like when Gable disciples employed his training methods and figured it out. Time to figure it out.
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I agree. During our run there was always a guy waiting for the guy in front of them to graduate. Now during the PSU run the next man in is a super-recruit coming in.
Alumni paying off student loans would be a large NCAA infraction unless they are paying off regular students at the same rate.
As another poster stated, Nevills has indicated he has a 60% scholarship. I have zero inside info, but suspect you can multiple all the above numbers by 0.60 or so and come up with much more accurate allocations.
Agree with you.
What some here are trying to imply is that PSU and Cael are somehow cheating..they just dont want too use the word.
People have short memories. There was a day that top wrestlers flocked to Iowa City to wrestle in Gable's program even though they got little scholarship money and turned down lots of schollie money at lesser programs.
Now we likely know how fans at other schools looked upon Iowa and things they thought when Gable was in his heyday here.
idk if it's 'blown out of proportion', it's just that the details aren't available and never will be.
it's an interesting topic for sure.
but the guesses/estimations of what some of these kids are getting are way off.
i'm not privy to speak in absolutes on every case, but i do know enough to understand how it works.
'how does psu afford all these guys' - well Nico got nothing. Cortez gets nothing. I promise you Hall and Cenzo (nor anyone else at PSU) aren't on fulls, and guys like Cassar and McCutcheon don't get much.
Fans have a hard time making the math add up to 9.9, but that's because their assumptions about what kids get are off.
I promise you Tony Ramos never got much. There are numerous kids, rich or poor, who take any amount to be in the program they want to be in.
Patrick Glory essentially said that a few weeks ago. Busiello committed as a Freshmen and I promise there was no formal 'offer'. Bravo-Young announced his commitment w/o a formal offer. These guys don't really care; they want to be where they want to be.
The top team contenders give (and have to give) what most of us would assume is under value. Northwestern can offer a blue chipper a full because they only get a limited # of blue chippers. OKST, Iowa, PSU, Tech, MIZZ, Nebraska, Michigan, Lehigh, and on and on - their studs don't get what you think.
it's an interesting topic for sure.
but the guesses/estimations of what some of these kids are getting are way off.
i'm not privy to speak in absolutes on every case, but i do know enough to understand how it works.
'how does psu afford all these guys' - well Nico got nothing. Cortez gets nothing. I promise you Hall and Cenzo (nor anyone else at PSU) aren't on fulls, and guys like Cassar and McCutcheon don't get much.
Fans have a hard time making the math add up to 9.9, but that's because their assumptions about what kids get are off.
I promise you Tony Ramos never got much. There are numerous kids, rich or poor, who take any amount to be in the program they want to be in.
Patrick Glory essentially said that a few weeks ago. Busiello committed as a Freshmen and I promise there was no formal 'offer'. Bravo-Young announced his commitment w/o a formal offer. These guys don't really care; they want to be where they want to be.
The top team contenders give (and have to give) what most of us would assume is under value. Northwestern can offer a blue chipper a full because they only get a limited # of blue chippers. OKST, Iowa, PSU, Tech, MIZZ, Nebraska, Michigan, Lehigh, and on and on - their studs don't get what you think.
No it doesn't happen all the time...at least not at most schools that obey ncaa rules and regulations. It's illegal per ncaa rules. Have heard it is happening though and why some schools seem to have more scholarship money to spread around.
Zain and Nolf are extremely good students just to name two. Nolf rumored 4.0 GPA. The team is loaded with bright kids. Makes managing the 9.9 much easier. Is this a factor in recruiting? Damn straight.
the question then would be; how long does the ncaa allow a rotc scholarship to be exempt...or is it even exempt now.....since all scholarships are included in what the ncaa looks at?
Again, Cael was probably miss quoted. You should email the author and ask him to explain as it's a fact that Penn State offers academic aid for good students.
This is why academic aid is awarded...and not based on need. That's why it's called an award.
And in very specific instances that would not be counted as a part of the athetic scholarship total, however, in all other instances it would/Should be. Plus, in the case of an ROTC scholarship which is not classified as falling under those academic aid guidelines it would/should be counted as part of the total athletic aid if that wrestler was being recruited by that institution. Pretty sure the NCAA is looking into that abuse and most likely it will be made to be counted.
