A few indisputable facts: Not one single person, pro or con, is going to have their view of this tragedy changed on a message board. Subjecting Iowa wrestling fans to our views is counterproductive. The OP has absolutely nothing to do with where this thread has devolved to. When I come over here I want to read about the views of Iowa fans on a range of topics, not relitigate this topic, if we want to do that, let's do it on OUR board. Rant over.
PSU scholarships
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85 and testa thank you for the response. Agree with the gist of what you are saying. The issue that some will have issue with is the minimizing what Joe Pa could and should have done, there were powerful people involved on the other side but some would say Joe Pa was the most powerful person in the state and should have done more. The pointing of fingers out while full of merit makes it appear to be an attempt to minimize. The bigger issue isn't with quality posters like 85 and testa, it is with the 'put the statue back' and the 'it never happened, it's all a money grab' crowd. There is plenty of blame there and there is a special place in hell for those that committed the crimes and failed to stop it.
I hear you. I'm going to heed Goldbanger's advice above as well.
to alot of us feel penn. st. has proven they will ignore the worst to protect their reputation.now with all the top p4p signings suspicion is natural. truthfully i do not blame any of your wrestling people for any of it, but when the clowns come over here with their arrogant smugness it is amunition that some choose to use.
Hall get $0--his father told Cael to get another good wrestler with the $ Halls parents are paying all..
I have heard the same about Hall. $0 in athletic aid. I have also heard that Nickal only took enough to cover the difference between in state and out of state tuition. Nevills is at 60%, and I have heard the same is true for Nolf. So how does PSU do it? There's three national champs combining for less than 1 of the 9.9 schollies. They want to go to PSU for the training. These parents have been spending money on their kids all of their lives to make them the best. Why would they stop now? Its not hard to grasp.
This +1000. I have posted this multiple times on this thread, plus added my own personal experience and still some posters are out there thinking that there is some conspiracy with PSU and the NCAA or there are bagmen lurking around the PSU wrestling room.
Funny, you would think this would be the one place that understood the dynamic since Gable was able to pull it off as well.
Most people have accepted these facts and have moved on to the post collegiate situation where an investment like this is paid back.
I have a very specific question for you. What if anyhing do you know of what Gable was able to "pull off"? Do you know anything that he was doing or what was happening with Iowa wrestling 30-35 years ago? I was there, were you?
I'm not implying that he did anything underhanded. Just stating that wrestlers were willing to come to Iowa for less because they wanted to wrestle at the best program. Talent attracts talent.
And, yes, I know firsthand what goes on in recruiting today. I have a member of my family that just accepted a full scholarship to attend a D1 institution that was ranked in the top 20 recruiting classes by three major sources. He weighed scholarship offers from schools at various levels including B1G institutions. Do you know anything about this, I was there, were you there??????
And aren't you the same guy who told me that you can't accept financial aid or it will count against the 9.9????
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What you are leaving out is the many wrestlers who were not and never would have been top rated who came to Iowa and became not only all americans but also NCAA champions. Your comparison lacks credence and validity. I spefically refrain from my judgements of the PS program and never go to your site. Do I have my ideas and suspicions...of course. I just keep them to myself.
I'm not leaving out anything. First of all, there weren't the ranking services available that there were today. And, second of all, Gable went after the recruits HE wanted, just like Cael does today.
Are you denying that top wrestlers went to Iowa during Gable's time for less than they could have at other places because they wanted to wrestle at Iowa? Or are you saying that most of Gable's wrestlers were average joe's that he made into NCAA champs? Because you were there, you should know.
Ok, you want to get defensive, let's do it. Then maybe you can quit spending more time on the Iowa site than it appears you do on your own. I do KNOW that there were wrestlers who never won a HS state championship who finished in the top 2-3 in college as well as winnng it all. I don't know what they were gettting as way of scholarships because it wasn't any of my business. I also know that none got paid mega bucks to wrestle for the HWC after graduation.
I spend equal time on the few wrestling sites that are active. I also know that there were wrestlers that never won a state championship who finished as AAs as well as NCAA champs, although NCAA champs who never won a state championship are fairly rare and have occurred outside of Iowa as well.
As far as the mega bucks to wrestle after graduation, well, we've been down this road with DonHawkeye before and if you want to follow that trail have at it. As PapaBear stated - imagine the seven figures Mark Hall must have been promised as he is paying his own way at PSU, lol.
BTW, I've posted here and on BWI and probably on other sites that Gable is the greatest coach in NCAA wrestling history and Cael has a ways to travel to match him, although this remains a possibility - who knows what the future will bring?
Two things and I am done. One, I do not post on other sites and do not feel the need to defend anything the hawkeye program does or doesn't do, on them. Second, I have never mentioned PS in any discussion as to illegal recruiting. I really do not care what PS does or does not do. I am only concerned that, as far as I know, Iowa is and always has followed NCAA rules, as they were explained and understood. Needed to include that before you or someone brings up the Big Ten's misinterpetation 25years ago. If the PS posters here feel it is important to defend, whatever it might be, that's up to them. Might be why there are so many on each and every thread here.
So this statement:
"I also know that none was paid mega bucks to wrestle for the HWC after graduation"
is not meant to imply PSU is doing something illegal in recruiting?
OK, I'll put that one in the closet with the financial aid info and chalk it up to a misinterpretation of meaning due to lack of clarity on a message board.
It only refers in any way to PS if that's how you are taking it. My statement was about the Iowa program only. Plus my statements as to what constutitues aid was taken directly from NCAA documentation and applies to every program not any one program. If I remember right I was answering a specific question or replying to one...don't remember for sure. No way would I ever acuse anyone or any school of something on an open forum based on rumors....any school or any rumors. I will gladly admit, however, i do not like or tolerate well trolls from any other school, not just PS, any other school making negative comments on our site. Sure you feel the same way about yours.....which is why I do not visit or post on other schools sites.
Well, I will accept this from you despite the fact that in this very thread the exact thing you were referring to was offered up by other HR posters as a theory about how PSU was getting their wrestlers. Chalk it up to coincidence.
As far as the other statement on financial aid, your original post was a simple one regarding ANY aid other than academic aid counting against the 9.9 which I pointed out was incorrect - something I know both from NCAA documentation and from real life current practice. There are forms of aid which would count, but there are certainly forms of aid available at all institutions other than academic aid and including financial need based aid that don't. Again, your response was in a conversation regarding PSU giving aid to wrestlers but we will chalk that up to coincidence as well. I was responding as anyone reading your original post would most likely interpret this incorrectly the way you stated and it certainly would be misinformation interpreted that way whether that was your intent or not.
I'm good from here on in.
Of course you have suspicions and your own private ideas and are unwilling to share them. To share them could possibly portray you as a loon.
Until you have something better let's go with Cael is out recruiting and out coaching everybody else at this point in time.
That way you do not seem so delusional.
I have a much better idea. I won't bother going to your site and you stay off of ours. Like to think all PS fans aren't as defensive or as easily agitated...sorry to have ruined your day.
Loonies are actually the lynch pin to the slush fund. Cael manipulates the Canadian-US currency market and uses the profit to buy dodgeballs.
I have a question:
Isn't this just speculation about who gets what and how much?
And......
Do we care who or why or what PSU wrestlers get?
Or, should I just surmise that we are trying to figure out the remedy/secret to success?
I bet we have a former coach that might know the answer. Just a thought.
Mike
Isn't this just speculation about who gets what and how much?
And......
Do we care who or why or what PSU wrestlers get?
Or, should I just surmise that we are trying to figure out the remedy/secret to success?
I bet we have a former coach that might know the answer. Just a thought.
Mike
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Sure there has been speculation on this site and most likely specualtion by many off this site. However, as far as I am cncerned and my posts I have made it clear that I only care what we do and will never specualte or acuse anyone by name of anything on here, plus won't ever be going to their site at all. Not sure what i said that caused me to be called names but then that's on them. Maybe a littel defensive on their part as it seems that is what the majority come to our site for.
PSU is paying their wrestlers at the NLWC 40k to 60k a year plus health benefits as I believe what the tax return showed. Iowa needs to do this also to level the playing field. I think this is more important then a new wrestling building. I don't care what people say these wrestlers and the parents aren't just going to pay roughly $200,000 or more out of there own pockets when they can get a free education elsewhere. I'm sure the elite wrestlers are guaranteed a place in the club for their services. Then the 9.9 is split between other good wrestlers.
