Recruiting battles
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Pretty well said. I’d say he’s at another level just like Gable was. Add in his location and solid financial support and you get the current situation.
Re: Transfers, that’s not necessarily true. If you have a hole in your lineup and you can add an AA level guy to fill it, that could be the difference between winning nationals and not, even if that guy is going to finish below the PSU guy who forced him out at that weight. The key is that you need to beat them at the other weights.
For example, if by next year, Caliendo, Gabe, Angelo, and Kueter all jump up a level and look like title favorites (or at least high AAs/title contenders), but Block can’t hold 141 and no one else looks like they can fill the hole, and Nagao sees the writing on the wall being behind Davis with Blaze coming to step in for Bartlett, then he might want to transfer out and if you can bring him in at 141 and get low AA points instead of a goose egg, that might make a difference even if Blaze finishes higher or even wins at 141. Obviously, there’s a lot of ifs, but it’s not inconceivable that it could be impactful.
I don't know if you could even put Spencer in that group. He could have had no coaches and would have done just as well I think. Yes, almost all wrestlers improve during their time because age/maturity, but we need to see some 'jumps.'
So you are saying top 100's are top teir recruits? You again stick your foot in your mouth. You like to argue just to see the words you type, give it a rest.
If you start at a D1 college you are good at wrestling. There, I just finished your argument in one sentence. Sheesh!
What I actually said isn't anywhere close to putting my foot in my mouth and not remotely what you just typed. What I said was rankings are done by HUMANS and they don't always get everything right. At the time Cassar came out of High School he didn't fit the normal criteria to get the top 25ish ranking. But, that doesn't mean he wasn't that good. My argument was simply that he wasn't some massive development where he was so much worse first stepping into the PSU room than all their higher ranked guys that also won titles. VERY SIMPLE...
Edited to add: He was actually the very rare diamond in the rough that Gable used to be known for finding. Back then it was much easier to find guys under the radar that had everything necessary to be a stud. I stick by my guns because everything Sanderson said about Cassar early on was on par with things he said about guys like Nolf, Retherford, Nickal, etc....
Sanderson said nothing of the sort. And as I've educated you - he didn't win SHIBBITZ until after redshirt year at PSU. No Junior National titles, no World Team, no Super 32, NHSCA, Beast placing - NOTHING.
Sanderson might have said this in retrospect, and because he clearly eyed the talent - but not even he said/would have said he was on par with Nolf, Retherford, Nickal. That's just nonsense you're adding with the benefit of hindsight.
For the courts perusal:
As a redshirting freshman he went 15-9. 10-9 against Division competition. He was not "good." He certainly wasn't looking like a future NCAA champ or even AA.
Look, I promised someone I would back off this topic and I only answered someone here based on context vs. the argument itself.
I am not going to revisit this and get the same group of intractables fighting with me and inevitably piss the same people off over the back and forth. I vehemently disagree with you and have said enough as to why. I left it at that before and do so now.
Just admit you're wrong and I'll move on.
Move on and admit you aren’t really an Iowa fan and I will be happy to make the trade.
You must be a miserable friend to have. Admitting you're wrong when presented with evidence is a sign of a good person.
A convicted liar trying to pass judgment on someone else’s person? Probably not the best argument to use. I love that you tried it though…
Then why don't you man up and tell us the backstory on why you lied about wrestling for Iowa and what ties you have to the program there stud?
Bo has his big visit to Oklahoma state this weekend. He’s going to be able to see their first 2 home meets under Taylor, which will be packed , and they will curb stomp 2 weak opponents. It could all be over after this visit. Really hope he finds time to come back here for a big meet in carver, but not holding my breath.’
Pretty simple. I'm not one person posting/using this handle.
Are you trying to tell us you have multiple personality disorder ??😜😜
Might I suggest you just set awhile and try to get real comfortable like.
You just made a compelling argument that Ironbird is correct. Especially since Carl has no history of turning not good/.500 wrestlers into champs. And not just a champ, but a champ over a generational talent. Deny if you want, but anabolics are in the sport. There are several guys that are obvious users. Anyone that has been around that world can spot them a mile away.
I'm not saying any names because frankly it doesn't matter and the resident trolls are going to be whining until everyone joins their cult.
Not true at all. He was one of the better coaching jobs I've witnessed due to all of the adversity he faced. I know it sounds silly with his physical skills. If healthy I would agree with you, but that wasn't his career, and I'm not sure he would be wrestling now had he gone anywhere else.
So - are you saying you have a multiple personality disorder? How many have been clinically diagnosed?
Come on man he wrestled at Iowa 🤣🤣
Thought a lot on this as well. Making the choice to go his true freshman year. Bouncing back after getting pinned at OSU. Staying in the sport and getting to the Olympics after how many knee surgeries (4)? Also would like to point out the strategy shift at Trials. Beating Gilman twice.
Never heard of a shared account for a message board . Just when you think you've seen it all
Plausible deniability is a good strategy. My dogs are shared users of my phone (they retrieve everything), so if my account says something stupid or misspells words, 83% chance it's their fault.
He says it about all his wrestlers. One undefeated season as a senior in hs makes an elite diamond in the rough? Well then there are probably alot of those too.
Naw. take a look at his wrestlestat. He redshirted in 2015 - but then wasn't "on the mat" for 2 years (2016, 2017). 2018 was the season he beat Moore. Wrestled Heavy in 2019.
So that's 4 full years/seasons of wrestling at 195/197 before he bumped up. And he was cutting to get to 197 in 2018.
He wrestled 205 in MMA because of 25 hour weighins. And he looks far more like a 195lber now. He definitely "beefed" up to get to 238. It's just not some astronomical number that would indicate steroid use.
Lol, I said before he ever wrestled for PSU. Go back and look. Redshirting doesn't count...
Well, Clarice… have the lambs stopped screaming?
What? Holy cow you are crazy! So please explain how being in a D1 college room for a year while in a redshirt dosen't count. Count for what that he was not an elite level recuit (You went on about that he was and lied about his credentials)? He walked on at PSU, then after a year in the room made a jr. World team Or that the coaches didn't help him improve into an elite level D1 or age level world wrestler?
Yeesh. Just because he didn’t take the mat on the varsity level, none of his year of training counts? Think about how silly this is. Take the L.
Was Cael undefeated or not? You are trying to twist words I typed when I know exactly what I typed and why. I promised I am not going to rehash this argument when it is simply going to be me now regurgitating everything I already said against the same half dozen or so PSU fans and a couple fake Iowa fans.
Again, my point is amazingly simple. I NEVER once said he wasn't developed at PSU. Hell I am not even saying he wasn't developed that 1st year. ALL I have been saying the entire time is he wasn't developed a significant level MORE than the other top recruits PSU had success with. You can disagree with that all you want, but other than trying to call me a liar or completely misrepresent what I said, I am not going to keep the same argument going when I told someone I wouldn't...
Lol, look at my response to him directly below your response to me. That isn't what I was saying at all. Not even close. I swear reading and comprehending is not a strong suit on this site and you often fall into that category masking it with pure snark...
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