Perhaps in correlation to the lack of graciousness in winning?
PSU scholarships
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Perhaps in correlation to the lack of graciousness in winning?
Who are you specifically referring to? The good long time posters or the newbies like yourself with a couple dozen posts. Or maybe just some of the BB or football guys who visit once a year for a couple days? Or did you just want to have a little baby rant and couldn't come up with anything else?
You want to know what's really annoying? Know it alls who show up with their observations and answers and don't know who is who here yet call everybody out.
Now if were you directing your post towards someone in particular then you "reply" to a particular post, like I just did with you, and then we can see if you are talking to someone who knows their stuff here or a visitor who has decided to dump their trash out of their mouth on this board.
You called a lot of people here crybabies with your generalization that really aren't. Go ahead....name names so we know if you know what you're talking about with your posts or are just another fly-by trash talker. Or maybe just become a lurker and shut up unless you have something to contribute instead of making a crybaby post.
Cael went 2,5,3 , hardly can't win...with that logic and Brands record over last 7 years, he must be poop. Come on man.
Which is why it's been talked about on this very site a couple of thousand times over the years. Long before Cael invented wrestling.
Don't think I did unless you poorly made your point "Why couldn't Bael win there" Are you not implying that since he didn't win a championship then he did win anything? He placed in top 3 twice and a top 5... that is not losing...if you hold him to those standards at ISU then why not apply the same to TnT the last 7...it doesn't make sense because I don't see TNT as losers the last 7 years...do you?
No S&$t!!! Is that why there is a 4 page thread about it. You are brilliant aren't you.
Now 23, everyone knows Cael did not INVENT wrestling, he just made it FUN.
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The fact is Gable did more with less. It was common knowledge his classes weren't as good as others. Since you don't seem to recognize that, you're obviously just a Johnny-come-lately to the wrestling stuff. So, no, I would not agree that Gable got most of them in comparison to what Cael gets. Cael brings in the gold. Gable, the alchemist, turned men into gold.
i think both gable and cael both have the eye factor in their favor when they determine quaity of their picks.
was'nt it gable who was the visionary when he spoke of dynasties and the pst area benefits?
The fact is Gable did more with less. It was common knowledge his classes weren't as good as others. Since you don't seem to recognize that, you're obviously just a Johnny-come-lately to the wrestling stuff. So, no, I would not agree that Gable got most of them in comparison to what Cael gets. Cael brings in the gold. Gable, the alchemist, turned men into gold.
i think both gable and cael both have the eye factor in their favor when they determine quaity of their picks.
was'nt it gable who was the visionary when he spoke of dynasties and the pst area benefits?
Not here to debate better coaching, recruitment, development, etc.
May add a little regarding the scholarship monies.
Penn State athletics saw 76 of its student-athletes honored as Academic All-Big Ten selections for the 2016-2017 winter period.
Of the various teams, the wrestlers led with 15. I'm sure other schools do quite as well. It just simply reinforces that there are many good students on the team, making them far more eligible for academic aid as well.
May add a little regarding the scholarship monies.
Penn State athletics saw 76 of its student-athletes honored as Academic All-Big Ten selections for the 2016-2017 winter period.
Of the various teams, the wrestlers led with 15. I'm sure other schools do quite as well. It just simply reinforces that there are many good students on the team, making them far more eligible for academic aid as well.
Penn State got a verbal commitment today from Seth Nevilis, a high school junior HWT from Clovis, CA.
His brother, a sophomore, is PSU's current HWT. Another brother recently announced he is leaving Penn State to wrestle at Fresno State.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...s-makes-verbal-commitment-to-psu#.WPFocIgrLIV
His brother, a sophomore, is PSU's current HWT. Another brother recently announced he is leaving Penn State to wrestle at Fresno State.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article...s-makes-verbal-commitment-to-psu#.WPFocIgrLIV
As Gibbons would say "no shit" come and tell us something we don't already know ok.
yes, if you really want to shock us, tell us something unusual.... say, if Cael signs a kid who is not a top 10 p4p, or #1 or 2 in their weight class
Finally a Hawkeye fan admitting Cael has done something better than Dan Gable as a coach. I have to give you major kudos!
I always thought the idea of recruiting was to get the best talent, then coach that talent to reach past it's full potential. Browning said,
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?"
There are several iowa fans who will give Carl props as a recruitor
How much of the 9.9 is he getting?
I think they are getting a bunch of money from camps. Sounds like High Altitude is having Retherford, Nolf, Nickal and some others out to Iowa to put on camps. I am not sure how much they get for each of these 4 hour camps, but are probably making a lot of money over the summer
I don't know the answer, but what is a lot of money? I see it stated often but no one ever has put a number to it.
That there literature stuff reference is a little too high brow for me. I got your browning here. How about this:
Do you know what the difference between a brown noser and an ass kisser is?
ANSWER: Depth perception...
Sure, Cael might fill his trophy case by attracting the best high school wrestlers in the country to his program.
But what will he do about the void in his soul that can only be filled by winning Rossel's respect?
There will be many sleepless nights in Happy Valley, no doubt.
I don't know what the going rate is for a 4 hour camp in Iowa. Especially when you are bring in guys from PSU. I have to think that they aren't doing for a couple hundred bucks. My guess would be $300 to $500. But that is just a guess. The one with Nickal is limited to 100 kids at $70/kid
I don't understand why it was gutless and defeatist for Sanderson to go to PSU. Your own statement says that he never could or would get it done at Iowa State. So he went to a school where he would have a much better shot at winning national titles due to the proximity to great talent and PSU's new-found commitment to wrestling. I don't know his situation of how he took over at ISU, I'll take your word for it that he did something untoward. My guess is Pollard didn't want to lose yet another ISU wrestling legend and made him the head guy so they wouldn't lose him.
Sanderson may not be the best "developer" of players. Frankly, it really doesn't matter. He's clearly good enough to coach very good talent to be head and shoulders above the rest of the country.
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I'll give Cael his due.... he had a great wrestling career and is a recruiter without equal.
But beyond that.... meh.
He left ISU after they made him head coach by booting out Bobby Douglas. ISU was his alma mater, and had he stayed, ISU had a chance to win it all. But Cael left, took Cyler, and recruits Taylor and Brown. ISU has been in the toilet since.
Andrew Long committed serious legal offenses while at ISU, and the coach was not going to let him come back without treatment/rehabilitation. Rather than go through that, Long left for PSU, where Cael welcomed him with open arms and with no strings attached. That turned out well for Cael scoring points in March, but not so well for the woman who was raped months later.
Imho, Cael does what is best for Cael. Sorry, respect is not a word I associate with Cael.
I'm sure you'll sleep well though.... everything in life is about winning, right?
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High Altitude is putting on the camp, so not sure who else is at the camp. But with $7000 and giving a free t shirt, there is money for a flight and pretty good pay day
Brands vs Cael.....who is the better coach? Both are great. I believe what separates them is timing. When Brands came back to Iowa he was benefited from his recruits at VT following him which added firepower to what was already there and what he could recruit in his first year at the helm of the Iowa program. This led to the run of three NCAA titles.
Cael's fate was made much more challenging because Brands/Iowa was achieving rockstar heights and regardless of Cael's ability to coach he was going to have to further and more often to get his guys. I would surmise that Cael and the ISU might have clashed on ways to compete etc and when the PSU opportunity opened he made the difficult decision to pursue it.
Fast forward to today. Cael like Brands surely benefited from the "double recruiting class" and like Iowa PSU's did have some quality already there. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Cael however has been able to kick it up a notch by successfully recruiting not only in the PA and surrounding states but expanding to California and Minnesota and now Arizona. The success has snowballed and the number of elite wrestlers that reach the top of the podium with PSU on their singlet have created an atmosphere where he can land more elite recruits for less of the 9.9 scholly allotment.
Given the nature of todays HS wrestling with big $$$s being invested in the HS wrestler's success, it to a degree is becoming an upper middle class or above sport. This has changed the landscape as more and more parents of are willing to cover more of the cost to get their kid to a program that both parent and son feel gives them the best opportunity not only in wrestling but in life in general. In addition academic aid/scholly and ROTC scholly helps those who's parents are less affluent.
So......I still believe as far as ability to coach both Cael and Brands are great coaches but Cael is now in the driver's seat and probably will be for the foreseeable future. Long term I see tOSU as the most likely obstacle as their location/administration support, and ROTC are similar to PSU.
Cael's fate was made much more challenging because Brands/Iowa was achieving rockstar heights and regardless of Cael's ability to coach he was going to have to further and more often to get his guys. I would surmise that Cael and the ISU might have clashed on ways to compete etc and when the PSU opportunity opened he made the difficult decision to pursue it.
Fast forward to today. Cael like Brands surely benefited from the "double recruiting class" and like Iowa PSU's did have some quality already there. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Cael however has been able to kick it up a notch by successfully recruiting not only in the PA and surrounding states but expanding to California and Minnesota and now Arizona. The success has snowballed and the number of elite wrestlers that reach the top of the podium with PSU on their singlet have created an atmosphere where he can land more elite recruits for less of the 9.9 scholly allotment.
Given the nature of todays HS wrestling with big $$$s being invested in the HS wrestler's success, it to a degree is becoming an upper middle class or above sport. This has changed the landscape as more and more parents of are willing to cover more of the cost to get their kid to a program that both parent and son feel gives them the best opportunity not only in wrestling but in life in general. In addition academic aid/scholly and ROTC scholly helps those who's parents are less affluent.
So......I still believe as far as ability to coach both Cael and Brands are great coaches but Cael is now in the driver's seat and probably will be for the foreseeable future. Long term I see tOSU as the most likely obstacle as their location/administration support, and ROTC are similar to PSU.
Stalking HS kids twitter vs Auditing a college students summer activities?
Is this equal craziness or considered evolution?
Wrestlers are wrestlers, more power to them.
I am always interested in the complete financial picture. The $7,000 revenue is great, but what about the expenses? What is the NET?
Don't know the net..All I really know is what a coach told me when his sons where wrestling in college they made easy money and lots of it in the summer doing these camps.
you are right....it was "only" attempted rape, aggravated indecent assault, and indecent assault
we can all feel better now
