I haven’t read through all the questions so maybe this has been asked. I do think when it comes to the high schoolers you know them better than anyone else doing this sort of stuff, you seem to click well with them; if you were hired as a recruiting coordinator for Iowa, everything how it currently is, do you think you could sell our program to more top ranked kids and get them to come here?
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Bill James eventually went to work for the Red Sox. I’m guessing they made it worth his while.
Don’t disrespect those Father Judge guys Smalls. Philly boys don’t forget - haha… just busting balls; love the interaction in this thread. Good stuff!
whatever. Bobby Telford's phone contacts > Willie's Big Board. AINIC
And if you like a touch of sweetness in your sauce put a drop of honey in the Franks/butter combo.
I got linked here from Penn State Forum. I don't typically post on HR. I have met smalls a few times. He's a good guy and typically level headed on his opinions. When he talks about development of wrestler at Penn State being part of the success of their Freshman it's correct. Haines and Kasak both forgo their senior year in highschool to go to PSU to develop their skills. The difference about Penn State first year guys than most other freshman, is they look to score. Most college freshman are drilled on defense. . Obviously Sean Lee was an exception. Watch what happens at Ok St. I guarantee you the Pokes offense will be much different than what Smith taught.
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My wings, smoked at 350ish, mixture of 1/2 garlic salt, 1/2 celery salt sprinkled on before..
Cook to desired done ness...
Sauce..
Franks butter mixture, 1/2 cup of Sriracha and a few table spoons of garlic, can add honey too..
Toss then bake or regrill to keep crispyness.
We also do the same things with thighs instead of wings...
My wings, smoked at 350ish, mixture of 1/2 garlic salt, 1/2 celery salt sprinkled on before..
Cook to desired done ness...
Sauce..
Franks butter mixture, 1/2 cup of Sriracha and a few table spoons of garlic, can add honey too..
Toss then bake or regrill to keep crispyness.
We also do the same things with thighs instead of wings...
This is a depressing post. Here's my question: What affect did/does the Ferrari family have on our recruiting fails? I don't blame any recruit for looking elsewhere knowing that the Ferrari circus is in town and there will be a lot of distractions.
Silver lining is if 2/3 of the Ferrari's are 20+ point scorers at NCAA's then the circus may be worth it.
I know that Willie has said we have zero chance for Bo.... But until Bo says that Himself ...we should keep on pushing all the buttons and making all the efforts to get him to realize what Spencer realized during his recruiting process... " PSu was the easy choice.... BUT Iowa was the RIGHT CHOICE " and his amazing success has shown that Iowa would also be a great choice for Bo
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One more try in case you missed it. @smalls103.
I know you take pride in talking honestly about controversial topics and things others won't touch.
@vhsalum and @smalls103
you both keep saying this, without any explanation. Have Bo's parents said this, has he? WHY do you say there is zero chance? Has he already made his college choice? What is the reason he won't go to Iowa?
You guys both have no problem saying it wont happen, but never giving explanation. It makes it hard to understand if you're taking an educated guess as to where things stand right now (which is something Willie has specifically said - could change) or if you actually have concrete information and it is set in stone
I'm honestly not being a troll here, but, I think DT, Ruth, Nolf, Bo, Zain, Nico, N. Lee, Cenzo, Hall, Cassar, RBY, Brooks, Carter and MANY others believe they made the RIGHT CHOICE!
You are honestly being a troll, again...
It’s possible that an athlete can choose another school other than psu and have it be the right choice. The fact that you can’t see that, either means your judgement is clouded or you are in fact being a troll. Your choice, but that is what it is. I say that knowing that what you wrote is probably correct.
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You're absolutely right!!! Plus Iowa needs a couple big time recruit each year. Hard to develop guys over 50 on big board to be AA. PSU does not even do it frequently!!! We need Iowa in wrestling!!
this is my gut feeling. Bo nor anyone in his circle have told me that.
There’s always more to the story (than a gut feeling) to unequivocally say zero shot. Zero.
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I don't think any coaches talk about it because i don't think PED use really goes on to anything close to a significant level. i've never had one coach, in all my years around them, say a peep about it.
To be sure there are probably a few kids here and there that mess around with something, and i totally agree with you that 1) NCAA testing is a joke and 2) that no one got popped, EVER, reinforces the joke.
(you're talking about an organization that just did away with the 4th place trophy for financial reasons so i'm sure they aren't all that interested in the expense of a robust doping dept.)
that being said PED's have massive effects both when you're on them and when you're off. not only would the difference be visible, the athlete who is off them would be pretty much washed.
In addition to no coaches ever accusing others about the practice (and boy do they like to accuse everyone of everything), I've never seen someone perform at anything close to a high level in college and then be a total shell of themselves in FS, or vice versa.
Most of the high level college guys go on to some measure of domestic (US Open / Final X) or international (Pan Ams, U20/U23's, Worlds) success, and if they're on something they ain't beating the tests at USADA or WADA.
that's my perspective, FWIW.
perhaps it sounds disingenuous or naive, but that's how i see it.
Yikes. How did I get pulled into this psychodrama? I been trying to play nice. Lol
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Thanks for responding and giving your perspective. Appreciate it.
After reading your response, does Daton Fix fall into the camp of being completely washed after getting off the Kool aid?
I think the reason coaches and athletes don't touch the topic is because they know that likely, some of their own athletes/teammates are using banned substances (or getting amphetamine prescriptions without having ADHD). It's also inconvenient and feels like a violation of privacy to have to undego rigid testing, so even guys who are clean might not lobby for further regulations.
I think it's naive to assume that it's an insignificant number of guys using.
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I mean...
*looks longingly at Stillwater for the first time in my life*
Yeah it doesn't look great for those guys to go to Iowa.
And all this time I thought that you were the latest incarnation of Mother Theresa. Oops.
That's a fairly accurate take, drug testing can be quite expensive when you get into testing for PEDs. It's not a simple screening like they might do for say a work related drug test.
daton was tested by WADA a million times and popped once. he made like 10 teams and medaled often (which means he was tested often)
anyway, you're free to believe what you want, of course. it seems you made up your mind prior to the response.
and you seem paranoid about the topic. (every team has guys doing it ?? / 'assuming Daton is off' ??) that's just weird.
i promise you it's certainly not widespread.
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You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug. The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there.
When I assume that many teams have some guys using something, that includes things like going to a doctor to get an addy prescription despite not having ADHD or taking a friends addy. Why not if the NCAA doesn't test?
There are studies indicating as many as 25% of students have taken amphetamines. Anyone who's been to college in the past decade or two has seen or heard about it first hand. The sporting regulatory bodies rightfully consider amphetamines a PED. Yet because it can be gotten with a prescription and used through a TUE, it's not taken seriously.
J Robinson was fired because a bunch of his team was using (and selling?) Adderall (and other drugs).
Not to mention, many modern and more sophisticated PEDs are really hard to test for even by WADAs standards.
In some US schools, 1 in 4 students report misusing prescription stimulants
U.S. middle and high schools with the most students taking prescription stimulants to treat ADHD also had, overall, the highest percentage of students who misused prescription stimulants within the past year. The University of Michigan-led study highlights a significant association between ADHD sti
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well, to be honest i wasn't thinking of those things (adderall, etc).
(not that i matters but i think the J Rob thing was Xanax)
but no, i don't know much, nor have ever heard of problems with adderall/amphetamines among wrestlers using them for performance.
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, i guess, but if it were pervasive i think i would have heard about it.
frankly, i'm not very concerned about it.
but i do take exception to the "You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug."
wtf are you talking about?
that's a wild theory. i have never, ever heard of PED use - be it steroids or ticky tack stuff - being an issue in college wrestling. And for you to suggest i'm dishonest (i'm quite literally the most forthcoming person in wrestling media) is crap.
"The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there."
what defense? i said he was tested a million times and popped once. that's facts. i'm not defending anything or anyone.
if you have some sort of off the wall theory about massive performance enhancing plague in college wrestling that's fine. but don't implicate me in some cover up weirdo.
(not that i matters but i think the J Rob thing was Xanax)
but no, i don't know much, nor have ever heard of problems with adderall/amphetamines among wrestlers using them for performance.
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, i guess, but if it were pervasive i think i would have heard about it.
frankly, i'm not very concerned about it.
but i do take exception to the "You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug."
wtf are you talking about?
that's a wild theory. i have never, ever heard of PED use - be it steroids or ticky tack stuff - being an issue in college wrestling. And for you to suggest i'm dishonest (i'm quite literally the most forthcoming person in wrestling media) is crap.
"The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there."
what defense? i said he was tested a million times and popped once. that's facts. i'm not defending anything or anyone.
if you have some sort of off the wall theory about massive performance enhancing plague in college wrestling that's fine. but don't implicate me in some cover up weirdo.
That’s 1 interesting response. Why even ask the question to begin with? You obviously already have your mind made up.You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug. The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there.
When I assume that many teams have some guys using something, that includes things like going to a doctor to get an addy prescription despite not having ADHD or taking a friends addy. Why not if the NCAA doesn't test?
There are studies indicating as many as 25% of students have taken amphetamines. Anyone who's been to college in the past decade or two has seen or heard about it first hand. The sporting regulatory bodies rightfully consider amphetamines a PED. Yet because it can be gotten with a prescription and used through a TUE, it's not taken seriously.
J Robinson was fired because a bunch of his team was using (and selling?) Adderall (and other drugs).
Not to mention, many modern and more sophisticated PEDs are really hard to test for even by WADAs standards.
In some US schools, 1 in 4 students report misusing prescription stimulants
U.S. middle and high schools with the most students taking prescription stimulants to treat ADHD also had, overall, the highest percentage of students who misused prescription stimulants within the past year. The University of Michigan-led study highlights a significant association between ADHD stinews.umich.edu
Ask the question, get response to question, don’t like the response, basically call him a liar…Well done 🤦♂️
It has the flavor of, "So when did you stop beating your wife?"
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J rob was Xanax and Adderall.
Minnesota fires wrestling coach after athletes drug scandal
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Longtime Minnesota wrestling coach J Robinson was fired Wednesday, after the university said an investigation into an alleged drug ring within the program revealed he wasn't forthcoming to school officials and made unauthorized promises of amnesty to his athletes. Robinson...
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To be clear, when I said "you have an incentive to brush it under the rug", I wasn't accusing you of lying or covering up any PED use. I believe you when you say that you haven't heard about it. I just don't think that coaches or athletes would come to the media to talk about it. I'll restate my point above on that - I don't think coaches or teammates would want to bring up the subject with the media when there's a good chance (statistically speaking) that a few of their wrestlers/teammates have used banned substances. Also, even clean athletes may not want to subject themselves to the diminished privacy that goes along with serious testing.
"PED's have massive effects both when you're on them and when you're off. not only would the difference be visible, the athlete who is off them would be pretty much washed. I've never seen someone perform at anything close to a high level in college and then be a total shell of themselves in FS, or vice versa."
Daton Fix tested positive on January 22, 2020 and then won a world silver medal in October 2021.
"Most of the high level college guys go on to some measure of domestic (US Open / Final X) or international (Pan Ams, U20/U23's, Worlds) success, and if they're on something they ain't beating the tests at USADA or WADA."
We have multiple examples just in the last few years of guys popping on USADA/WADA tests but never popping in the NCAAs. - Daton Fix, Zahid Valencia, Jordan Oliver, Aaron Brooks (although cleared due to paperwork).
You admit to not even considering amphetamines initially when you were responding regarding PEDs and you brush off amphetamines as "I'm not very concerned about it."
This was after I linked an article with evidence of widespread Ampehatamine use by students and the DEA putting out a recent statement claiming that presciption Amphetamines is the new Opiod crisis.
Unless wrestling is a crazy anomaly, it's naïve to think PED and amphetamine use isn't occurring at the NCAA level.
I'll reiterate again - I'm not accusing you of lying or covering anything up and never have. I believe you're giving your honest take on the topic and I appreciate that.
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Never called him a liar or even implied he was lying. I asked the question, because I'm curious what his perspective and take is on the topic. And there's value in him sharing that info. That doesn't mean I can't give a rebuttal with evidence that I think warrants heavy skepticism that PED use is a non issue in NCAA sports.
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Also, here's some former wrestlers who never popped in the NCAAs but popped in the UFC under stricter USADA testing:
Jon Fitch
Chael Sonnen
Brock Lesnar
Chad Mendes
TJ Dillashaw
This is just a very small list of NCAA wrestlers who popped in the UFC. Here's a longer list (hundreds) of UFC failed drug tests:
It seems extremely unlikely that PED use is extremely widespread in MMA, but not in NCAA wrestling. What's the main difference between the two? NCAA testing is a complete joke, and the UFC used USADA and athletic commissions that take testing much more seriously than the NCAA.
Given what's publicly known, it seems very naïve to just operate under the assumption that it's a non-issue and non-occurrence in NCAAs.
