Questions for Willie The Brain

[smalls103]

You admit to not even considering amphetamines initially when you were responding regarding PEDs and you brush off amphetamines as "I'm not very concerned about it."

when you asked the question about PED's my brain went to 'steroids', not prescription meds.

i have never heard complaints about prescription med use and no, worrying about adderall in wrestling does not keep me up at night.

all i know is i never heard of this being a problem. if the entire wrestling population uses them for better performance, it's news to me. i promise i ain't lying about my knowledge of it.

 

[LJB1973]

US had two Greco guys pop for the same thing in ‘22 and their paperwork excuse did not hold up…

Shocking I know…

 

[smalls103]

"PED's have massive effects both when you're on them and when you're off. not only would the difference be visible, the athlete who is off them would be pretty much washed. I've never seen someone perform at anything close to a high level in college and then be a total shell of themselves in FS, or vice versa."

Daton Fix tested positive on January 22, 2020 and then won a world silver medal in October 2021.

This is a fair point.

My description was based on what i know about steroids. Ostarine isn't a steroid but a SARM.

it's true that PED's have evolved. That being said, if Daton tested positive in 2020 and went to worlds and medaled why do you think he was still on anything? he was certainly tested.

"Most of the high level college guys go on to some measure of domestic (US Open / Final X) or international (Pan Ams, U20/U23's, Worlds) success, and if they're on something they ain't beating the tests at USADA or WADA."

We have multiple examples just in the last few years of guys popping on USADA/WADA tests but never popping in the NCAAs. - Daton Fix, Zahid Valencia, Jordan Oliver, Aaron Brooks (although cleared due to paperwork).

Once again, Daton never popped again.

Zahid was cocaine and never 1) wrestled again in college or 2) popped again via USADA or WADA

JO popped for an amphetamine and then for weed. recreational stuff.

AB was adderall for which he has a prescription from a doctor.

you're making the case against your own theory.

the # of cases have been very small and most of the time were recreational.

i don't see how this leads you to believe there's some widespread plague in college wrestling.

 

[smalls103]

changing gears...

just published final Big Board

https://rokfin.com/ranking/1843/Final-2024-Senior-Big-Board

 

[mcpat]

US had two Greco guys pop for the same thing in ‘22 and their paperwork excuse did not hold up…

Shocking I know…

Are you saying WADA was okay with AB but not others under the same circumstances? What would be the reason? PSU has clout with WADA?

 

[Wrestling-04]

You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug. The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there.

When I assume that many teams have some guys using something, that includes things like going to a doctor to get an addy prescription despite not having ADHD or taking a friends addy. Why not if the NCAA doesn't test?

There are studies indicating as many as 25% of students have taken amphetamines. Anyone who's been to college in the past decade or two has seen or heard about it first hand. The sporting regulatory bodies rightfully consider amphetamines a PED. Yet because it can be gotten with a prescription and used through a TUE, it's not taken seriously.

J Robinson was fired because a bunch of his team was using (and selling?) Adderall (and other drugs).

Not to mention, many modern and more sophisticated PEDs are really hard to test for even by WADAs standards.

In some US schools, 1 in 4 students report misusing prescription stimulants

U.S. middle and high schools with the most students taking prescription stimulants to treat ADHD also had, overall, the highest percentage of students who misused prescription stimulants within the past year. The University of Michigan-led study highlights a significant association between ADHD sti

news.umich.edu

Huh? Lol come on man...

 

[LJB1973]

Are you saying WADA was okay with AB but not others under the same circumstances? What would be the reason? PSU has clout with WADA?

Just saying what happened…

Everyone else can make up their own theories…

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

This is a fair point.

My description was based on what i know about steroids. Ostarine isn't a steroid but a SARM.

it's true that PED's have evolved. That being said, if Daton tested positive in 2020 and went to worlds and medaled why do you think he was still on anything? he was certainly tested.


Once again, Daton never popped again.

Zahid was cocaine and never 1) wrestled again in college or 2) popped again via USADA or WADA

JO popped for an amphetamine and then for weed. recreational stuff.

AB was adderall for which he has a prescription from a doctor.

you're making the case against your own theory.

the # of cases have been very small and most of the time were recreational.

i don't see how this leads you to believe there's some widespread plague in college wrestling.

There are significantly more NCAA wrestlers than Americans competing in FS/international competition subject to the stricter testing standards, yet more guys are popping in international competition, than NCAAs. And they're testing positive, even after knowing that the testing standards are tougher. Couldn't it be the case, that guys know NCAA testing is a joke, and therefore are much more likely to use during NCAA competition, and stop or use less once in the international testing pool?

Also, the point about all of the former wrestlers never popping in the NCAA, but popping in the UFC. The UFC has had hundreds of failed drug tests. Is it very likely that somehow the UFC is just inherently different that the most competitive athletes in the world would use PEDs in the UFC, but these same competitive men wouldn't take anything at the NCAA level? I don't buy it, and that's why I think it's naïve to just assume it's not happening at the NCAA level.

No one wants to be the "narc". It's already a super taboo subject and many people think it should mostly all just be legalized. There's not a lot of incentive for anyone to publicly/non-anonymously prod the issue.

It's not just wrestling either. I think it's happening in most NCAA sports.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Richard Sherman: 'About half' of NFL uses Adderall

www.nfl.com

https://www.axios.com/2019/12/04/drug-makes-ballplayers-immortal-adderall

Kreidler: Black day for the greenies, too

Steroids are the headline. But the fact amphetamines are in baseball's new proposed agreement is real news.

www.espn.com

"A retired Tony Gwynn spoke openly of baseball's amphetamine problem in 2003, estimating for The New York Times that 50 percent of position players were using them routinely, many of them before almost every game."

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“The crisis, if you will, is not in the prescription of the medication,” Goodman said. “The crisis is in the accuracy of the diagnosis.”

There are no standard guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults, which is “most concerning” for the DEA, Strait said. Specialists in the field have been working on creating such standards over the past two years.

 

[smalls103]

Are you saying WADA was okay with AB but not others under the same circumstances? What would be the reason? PSU has clout with WADA?

there's a thing called a TUE "Therapeutic Use Exemption"

they aren't really that rare. im not sure what happened w/ Brooks. it sounds clerical. he had a prescription for it for quite a while.

the way i understand it, Provisor tried to file an exemption after the fact.

truthfully, i don't really know all the details. but i'm certain neither of them took them for athletic performance.

i was definitely out in front in cheering for stricter drug testing internationally but then you run in to things like this which (imo) is minor.

ya know, compared to this

23 Chinese swimmers tested positive pre-Tokyo

WADA has confirmed reports that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug ahead of the Tokyo Olympics but that it accepted the country's findings it was due to substance contamination.

www.espn.com

 

[herkcy]

this is my gut feeling. Bo nor anyone in his circle have told me that.

I love you, Willie, but not a fan of disguising knowledge with outlandish statements. Props to Johnny T for making you pony up. I was going to chalk Bo up in the growing "missed out" column based on my blind trust for ya, buddy. I appreciate the knowledge I just gained here.

 

[smalls103]

where did i 'disguise knowledge' ?

apologies for not making the distinction clear the first time, but i certainly wasn't trying to be tricky.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

there's a thing called a TUE "Therapeutic Use Exemption"

they aren't really that rare. im not sure what happened w/ Brooks. it sounds clerical. he had a prescription for it for quite a while.

the way i understand it, Provisor tried to file an exemption after the fact.

truthfully, i don't really know all the details. but i'm certain neither of them took them for athletic performance.

Brooks admitted he started to take amphetamines in college because he was struggling in school. I'm not a doctor, but it's my understanding that most people don't develop ADHD as adults. Maybe some people truly don't get diagnosed until they're adults however. I wouldn't accuse AB of maliciously getting a prescription because I don't know his medical details, but a prescription that starts in college to aid with school work is the starting point for many amphetamine abusers.

The issue with amphetamine prescriptions is that many people are able to get them despite not truly having ADHD. This is well documented. Again, the DEA has just put out a public statement saying that amphetamines are the new opiod crisis:

“The crisis, if you will, is not in the prescription of the medication,” Goodman said. “The crisis is in the accuracy of the diagnosis.”

There are no standard guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults, which is “most concerning” for the DEA, Strait said. Specialists in the field have been working on creating such standards over the past two years.


That's the crux isn't it - it's not fair to accuse any individual of abusing the system by getting an amphetamine prescription while not having ADHD because it's effectively impossible to know who is doing that vs who's doing it to game the system and use a PED. But what we do know, is that amphetamine use is pervasive across the highest level of competitive sports. It's the wild west because virtually anyone can get a prescription and TUE if they're willing to violate ethics/morals.

Anyone remember Shawn Johnson?

Simone Biles is another who uses amphetamines.

The stuff is all over sports, and the usage rates certainly exceed the prevalence of ADHD among the population.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

there's a thing called a TUE "Therapeutic Use Exemption"

they aren't really that rare.

i was definitely out in front in cheering for stricter drug testing internationally but then you run in to things like this which (imo) is minor.

ya know, compared to this

23 Chinese swimmers tested positive pre-Tokyo

WADA has confirmed reports that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned drug ahead of the Tokyo Olympics but that it accepted the country's findings it was due to substance contamination.

www.espn.com

The argument could be made that the PED benefits of amphetamines exceed trimetazidine (what the Chinese swimmers were taking).

TUE just makes the PED legal which is a wild loophole, especially considering prescriptions are based on how you respond to questions rather than an objective imaging test or something like that. Amphetamine prescriptions aren't legal in many countries btw (including France). I think Olympic hosting countries make exceptions to allow the athletes with TUEs to continue to use.

 

[herkcy]

where did i 'disguise knowledge' ?

apologies for not making the distinction clear the first time, but i certainly wasn't trying to be tricky.

"zero shot at Bassett or Forrest. zero." "this is my gut feeling. Bo nor anyone in his circle have told me that."

These two do not equal each other.....

Saying "zero" twice means you know, not your gut if you ask me. That's playing Halloween right there.

I still love you though for what that's worth......

 

[PSUWrestling2425]

well, to be honest i wasn't thinking of those things (adderall, etc).

(not that i matters but i think the J Rob thing was Xanax)

but no, i don't know much, nor have ever heard of problems with adderall/amphetamines among wrestlers using them for performance.

that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, i guess, but if it were pervasive i think i would have heard about it.

frankly, i'm not very concerned about it.

but i do take exception to the "You have as strong as an incentive as anyone to brush it under the rug."

wtf are you talking about?

that's a wild theory. i have never, ever heard of PED use - be it steroids or ticky tack stuff - being an issue in college wrestling. And for you to suggest i'm dishonest (i'm quite literally the most forthcoming person in wrestling media) is crap.

"The defense of Daton is an example of your bias there."

what defense? i said he was tested a million times and popped once. that's facts. i'm not defending anything or anyone.

if you have some sort of off the wall theory about massive performance enhancing plague in college wrestling that's fine. but don't implicate me in some cover up weirdo.

Can you just say that PSU takes PED's and the rest of college wrestling doesn't, so, that @Is_there_vodka_in_heaven and @IRONBIRD can sleep better at night? Thanks in advance.

 

[12tdsaw]

only if they all get caught

 

[grapplefann]

Doh! I heard she was mean. Lol

And not pleasant like you are?

 

[el dub]

And not pleasant like you are?

Oh, I’m certified pleasant.

 

[grapplefann]

Oh, I’m certified pleasant.

And I'm a certified peasant. Or maybe just certifiable . . .

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Can you just say that PSU takes PED's and the rest of college wrestling doesn't, so, that @Is_there_vodka_in_heaven and @IRONBIRD can sleep better at night? Thanks in advance.

Funny joke. 😂 But if you've been keeping up you'd have seen that I've stated my assumption that there's guys on nearly every team using something.

 

[johnyt9]

this is my gut feeling. Bo nor anyone in his circle have told me that.

where did i 'disguise knowledge' ?

apologies for not making the distinction clear the first time, but i certainly wasn't trying to be tricky.

I appreciate you clearing it up as well.

But you (who has credibility), and @VHS (AKA Pyles) often make these definitive statements and it makes everyone think - oh we have zero shot at Bo, so TnT aren't doing their job.

Just bc this isn't your intention doesn't mean it doesn't perpetuate this type of message.

The other thing, is b/c you have said in the past Iowa has no shot at Bo RIGHT NOW, but this can change - and then later come on to say we have 'zero shot'. Eludes to, maybe you have new info. We just want clear statements.

You've clearly been making an effort recently to be more civil and active on this board which is also much appreciated

 

[HawkFan1986]

Brooks admitted he started to take amphetamines in college because he was struggling in school. I'm not a doctor, but it's my understanding that most people don't develop ADHD as adults. Maybe some people truly don't get diagnosed until they're adults however. I wouldn't accuse AB of maliciously getting a prescription because I don't know his medical details, but a prescription that starts in college to aid with school work is the starting point for many amphetamine abusers.

The issue with amphetamine prescriptions is that many people are able to get them despite not truly having ADHD. This is well documented. Again, the DEA has just put out a public statement saying that amphetamines are the new opiod crisis:

“The crisis, if you will, is not in the prescription of the medication,” Goodman said. “The crisis is in the accuracy of the diagnosis.”

There are no standard guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults, which is “most concerning” for the DEA, Strait said. Specialists in the field have been working on creating such standards over the past two years.


That's the crux isn't it - it's not fair to accuse any individual of abusing the system by getting an amphetamine prescription while not having ADHD because it's effectively impossible to know who is doing that vs who's doing it to game the system and use a PED. But what we do know, is that amphetamine use is pervasive across the highest level of competitive sports. It's the wild west because virtually anyone can get a prescription and TUE if they're willing to violate ethics/morals.

Anyone remember Shawn Johnson?

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Simone Biles is another who uses amphetamines.

The stuff is all over sports, and the usage rates certainly exceed the prevalence of ADHD among the population.

I think @smalls103 has told you everything he knows and has done so as truthfully as he can, based on his responses on this topic, and more generally this thread.

I know this has been one of your longstanding gripes but I don’t think you’re going to be getting anywhere on this board. Unless a member of WADA chimes in and identifies himself I think your investigation has run its course.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Zahid was cocaine and never 1) wrestled again in college or 2) popped again via USADA or WADA

JO popped for an amphetamine and then for weed. recreational stuff.

AB was adderall for which he has a prescription from a doctor.

you're making the case against your own theory.

the # of cases have been very small and most of the time were recreational.

Both amphetamines and cocaine are considered PEDs.

All examples I gave are people who tested positive for taking PEDs, not "recreational stuff".

Why cocaine is considered performance-enhancing for athletes

www.sydney.edu.au

 

[OldKohawk]

Funny joke. 😂 But if you've been keeping up you'd have seen that I've stated my assumption that there's guys on nearly every team using something.

Is it safe to say that most don't think of Adderall as a PED? Aside from it helping kids stay focused in school, I don't know other 'side effects' of it and don't group it into PEDs.
You've said this before and could be onto something, but sounds like what Brooks had happen was a mishap, while also maybe uncovering a bigger problem that isn't as focused on right now

 

[LJB1973]

Anyone who doesn’t think adderall (prescription speed) is not a PED just doesn’t understand high level athletics…

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I think @smalls103 has told you everything he knows and has done so as truthfully as he can, based on his responses on this topic, and more generally this thread.

I know this has been one of your longstanding gripes but I don’t think you’re going to be getting anywhere on this board. Unless a member of WADA chimes in and identifies himself I think your investigation has run its course.

I've gotten @smalls103 take on it and I appreciate that. I believe he's giving his honest perspective. I think he's uninformed and naive. That's my opinion. I'm providing info that may shine a light on the topic. A light that no one seemingly wants to be shined.

He claimed that I'm paranoid and it's weird that I'd assume there's a PED issue in the NCAA, and I've responded with countless supporting evidence that would indicate there could be a serious PED issue in the NCAA. Most of that evidence is treated with silence/avoidance or rug brushing: 4 NCAA champs/finalists have tested positive for PEDs at the senior level recently, yet none of these guys tested positive in the NCAA and essentially no one ever tests positive in the NCAA. There's significantly fewer senior wrestlers than NCAA wrestlers yet the positive test rate is substantially higher. That's what I mean when I say it's being brushed under the rug.

No one wants to consider the fact that guys are using stuff in the NCAA or people want to discount the impact of amphetamines as a PED despite there being countless articles and research on its PED effects and the DEA calling it the new opiod prescription crisis.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Is it safe to say that most don't think of Adderall as a PED? Aside from it helping kids stay focused in school, I don't know other 'side effects' of it and don't group it into PEDs.
You've said this before and could be onto something, but sounds like what Brooks had happen was a mishap, while also maybe uncovering a bigger problem that isn't as focused on right now

Yes I think that mistaken belief is the problem. Most people hear Adderall and just think it's solely for treating ADHD. This couldn't be further from the truth. There's substantial PED benefits for using amphetamines in sport. It's been widely abused across a variety of sports - baseball, football, recently esports. When you combine the facts that it's legal with a prescription and TUE, but that it's really easy to get a prescription because the test and diagnosis is questionnaire based, you can quickly see the flaw. The DEA has stated just in the past few months that prescription amphetamines is the new opiod crisis.

TUE usage rates in many sports where's there publicly available data indicate that the amphetamine usage rate by high level athletes certainly exceeds the prevalence rate of ADHD. Many athletes in other sports have commented on it and claimed that they believe upwards of 50% of athletes in their sport have used amphetamines.

There's a reason WADA and other sporting bodies list amphetamines as a PED and ban them from competition.

Do some research on the history of amphetamine use (greenies) in baseball before it was banned.

It's just pure ignorance and naivety to downplay the PED impact of amphetamines in sport.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Caffeine is also on the list as a PED.

frankly, i don't care to discuss further. i don't know anything about it on any scale.

maybe you should call the cops or something.

The comparison of caffeine to amphetamines is incredibly disingenuous. Caffeine doesn't require a prescription and exemption to use. It's equally available to all.

 

[LJB1973]

It really isn’t…

They are both stimulants and as such have real and measurable benefits on performance…

Again…

I can only assume anyone who does not understand how any stimulant can provide a boost just does not understand high level athletics…

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

It really isn’t…

They are both stimulants and as such have real and measurable benefits on performance…

Again…

I can only assume anyone who does not understand how any stimulant can provide a boost just does not understand high level athletics…

I agree that caffeine is a PED. However the regulation of caffeine is uniformly applied evenly to all athletes. To use amphetamines, you either have to truly have ADHD, or you have to compromise your morals and ethics and get a prescription for them despite not having ADHD.

And I don't think most people would argue that caffeine gives the same magnitude of advantage that amphetamines do.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Anyways I won't hijack the thread anymore. The info is out there. People will take it as they want.

PEDs not an issue. Next topic.

 

[giveitall]

Anyone think Wrestling-04 is Willie?

 

[Agoodnap]

Brooks admitted he started to take amphetamines in college because he was struggling in school. I'm not a doctor, but it's my understanding that most people don't develop ADHD as adults. Maybe some people truly don't get diagnosed until they're adults however. I wouldn't accuse AB of maliciously getting a prescription because I don't know his medical details, but a prescription that starts in college to aid with school work is the starting point for many amphetamine abusers.

The issue with amphetamine prescriptions is that many people are able to get them despite not truly having ADHD. This is well documented. Again, the DEA has just put out a public statement saying that amphetamines are the new opiod crisis:

“The crisis, if you will, is not in the prescription of the medication,” Goodman said. “The crisis is in the accuracy of the diagnosis.”

There are no standard guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in adults, which is “most concerning” for the DEA, Strait said. Specialists in the field have been working on creating such standards over the past two years.


That's the crux isn't it - it's not fair to accuse any individual of abusing the system by getting an amphetamine prescription while not having ADHD because it's effectively impossible to know who is doing that vs who's doing it to game the system and use a PED. But what we do know, is that amphetamine use is pervasive across the highest level of competitive sports. It's the wild west because virtually anyone can get a prescription and TUE if they're willing to violate ethics/morals.

Anyone remember Shawn Johnson?

View embedded media

Simone Biles is another who uses amphetamines.

The stuff is all over sports, and the usage rates certainly exceed the prevalence of ADHD among the population.

You should really stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Most parents recognize ADHD in their children at an early age. They usually think/hope they will get over it or learn how to effectively deal and do not seek any treatment. Most kids with ADHD can get through HS by putting in many extra hours. (Have you ever had to re-read a chapter in a book 5 times because you lost concentration on paragraph two?) Public HS isn't very demanding at all, however, college is where it is no longer possible to just put in the extra time. The work load gets to the point that there aren't enough hours in the day, or if enough there are no hours left over for things like wrestling.

Oh, and stop playing victim. Every post on the subject you make has undertones that AB is indeed cheating and PSU is cheating. I can't wait until you state you did no such thing and in fact you are talking generically about the subject, all the while insinuating AB cheats and PSU Cheats. But, but, but you didn't claim any such thing.

You may be the most disingenuous person I've come across in a very long time.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

You should really stop talking about things you know nothing about.

Most parents recognize ADHD in their children at an early age. They usually think/hope they will get over it or learn how to effectively deal and do not seek any treatment. Most kids with ADHD can get through HS by putting in many extra hours. (Have you ever had to re-read a chapter in a book 5 times because you lost concentration on paragraph two?) Public HS isn't very demanding at all, however, college is where it is no longer possible to just put in the extra time. The work load gets to the point that there aren't enough hours in the day, or if enough there are no hours left over for things like wrestling.

Oh, and stop playing victim. Every post on the subject you make has undertones that AB is indeed cheating and PSU is cheating. I can't wait until you state you did no such thing and in fact you are talking generically about the subject, all the while insinuating AB cheats and PSU Cheats. But, but, but you didn't claim any such thing.

You may be the most disingenuous person I've come across in a very long time.

I haven't accused AB of cheating and have explicitly stated a multitude of times in several threads that as long as he's cleared the paperwork, he's not cheating. He's legally using the PED within the bounds of the rules. I have absolutely no idea whether he has ADHD or not and wouldn't claim he doesn't without knowing. What I do know is that athletes get amphetamine prescriptions all the time despite not having ADHD because they want to use it for the PED benefits and can skirt the regulations. As I've stated, it's impossible for a random observer to know which athletes are using amphetamines because they have ADHD and which are gaming the system. The issue is a regulatory one. It's inherently flawed that the test for ADHD is subjective and can be gamed (unlike an imaging test), and that the drug is banned due to being a PED unless you have a prescription.

It's come up multiple times recently in the sport of wrestling. Not just for AB. He's just the latest and sparks the discussion.

You call me disingenuous, but I think it's disingenuous to consider amphetamine use in sport a nothing burger. I'm not the first to bring up this topic, although I've been criticizing NCAA PED testing for years.

Let me be explicitly clear yet again - I don't accuse any individual of cheating unless they've been proven to be a cheater. That doesn't mean that the issues surrounding PED use can't be raised, and that one of the main issues of PED use in sport right now is amphetamines via the TUE loophole.

 

[USPMAN]

I’m surprised Iowa isn’t on Bo Bassett’s short list as I thought he grew up a Spencer Lee fan.

So you go to a school because a guy you like went there?

 

[Hawkgma]

So you go to a school because a guy you like went there?

ummmm yeah. to wrestle with that same person...

 

[Agoodnap]

I'm not a victim. I'm not an NCAA competitor.

I haven't accused AB of cheating and have explicitly stated a multitude of times in several threads that as long as he's cleared the paperwork, he's not cheating. He's legally using the PED within the bounds of the rules. I have absolutely no idea whether he has ADHD or not and wouldn't claim he doesn't without knowing. What I do know is that athletes get amphetamine prescriptions all the time despite not having ADHD because they want to use it for the PED benefits and can skirt the regulations. As I've stated, it's impossible for a random observer to know which athletes are using amphetamines because they have ADHD and which are gaming the system. The issue is a regulatory one. It's inherently flawed that the rest for ADHD is subjective and can be gamed (unlike an imaging test), and that the drug is banned due to being a PED unless you have a prescription.

It's come up multiple times recently in the sport of wrestling. Not just for AB. He's just the latest and sparks the discussion.

You call me disingenuous, but I think it's disingenuous to consider amphetamine use in sport a nothing burger. I'm not the first to bring up this topic, although I've been criticizing NCAA PED testing for years.

Let me be explicitly clear yet again - I don't accuse any individual of cheating unless they've been proven to be a cheater. That doesn't mean that the issues surrounding PED use can't be raised, and that one of the main issues of PED use in sport right now is amphetamines via the TUE loophole.

Clever...not! All you have done is accuse and claim innocence. Everyone else must be crazy to read such accusations in your words. Your response is exactly what I, and frankly many others, was/were expecting. Change your shtick as it's very old and unbecoming.

 

[USPMAN]

I know that Willie has said we have zero chance for Bo.... But until Bo says that Himself ...we should keep on pushing all the buttons and making all the efforts to get him to realize what Spencer realized during his recruiting process... " PSu was the easy choice.... BUT Iowa was the RIGHT CHOICE " and his amazing success has shown that Iowa would also be a great choice for Bo

So you’re not buying that Bo has no interest in Iowa until you hear it directly from him……what would you say if Willie said Iowa is very much in play for Bo, you’d believe it, right? You’d believe it because it’s what you want to hear. So many of you take what Willie sells because he is in the know, but if it goes against your wishes or wants, you don’t believe it……doesn’t work the at way

 

[USPMAN]

ummmm yeah. to wrestle with that same person...

HWC vs NLWC? 🤔🤔🤔🤔