I believe Casey Cunningham is the driving factor behind the development of probably 149 and above. I am not saying Coby and Carl don't develop their wrestlers buy Casey has to be the glue. Anyone that discounts that has to be crazy.
RBY to Iowa?
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Nothing says American like training guys from other countries.
Bottom line in all this is $$$ talks.
I think you're right. How exactly are RTCs funded?Nothing says American like training guys from other countries.
Bottom line in all this is $$$ talks.
In my very limited experience, Penn State has a lot of money to throw around. My wife went to law school at Penn State. For a long time they didn't have a law school so they just bought one with a good reputation (Dickinson). Now they have a great law school.
At the end of the day, does it really matter? He's getting results and as HC, that's his job. Whether that be recruiting, development, strategy or hiring coaches, he is getting results. What more is there to discuss?
The two biggest issues for Iowa right nowNothing says American like training guys from other countries.
Bottom line in all this is $$$ talks.
1. Iowa high school wrestling has almost zero elite prospects
2. Not enough money coming into the HWC. We need some big time boosters to step up. Unfortunately, there are way more of those types on the east coast than in the midwest.
I was curious if location would impact the Hawks as PSU, OSU, and Michigan seem to be improving. Admittedly, I don't have a long history into wrestling back to the Gable years like some here, but I'd assume pulling talent from PA, NJ, and OH would start getting harder with those programs improving. Thanks for bringing this up and I look forward to learning more.
Iowa never really tried that hard until now...and they have made inroads in both PA and Ohio.
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I may be alone with this thought, but I don't think Metcalf being the developmental coach is going to hurt us any on the recruiting front. He can't and won't directly recruit for Iowa but the exposure with Cadets and Juniors as an alumnus won't hurt the exposure of the program. There are plenty of other programs' coaches present during USA camps so it's not like he has exclusive contact.........just sayin.
I know it's a matter of opinion - but I certainly wouldn't call PSU-Dickinson a "great" law school. The latest US News rankings has them at #65.
This is a very fair point, and is probably right.
Look at the schools that have gotten better -- places like PSU, OSU, Cornell -- are all near areas that have great local recruiting.
Another issue is that a lot of the good Iowa alums are coaching elsewhere or have more ties elsewhere and their money goes into helping their current schools. I mean how many coaches are former Hawkeye wrestlers?
I know things. I hate to be that guy, and i'll just say it came directly from the Sanderson family.
No. Casey takes 165 to heavy. Cody takes 125 to 157. Either Zain or Nolf said the other day that Cody is their coach in the room and that they spar rarely with Casey.
hmm so Cael just keeps the dodge ball ready makes sense to me that way he can be on his smart phone all the time talking to recruits
My memory may be bad - but I seem to remember Gable saying Lincoln was only the 2nd wrestler he recruited that could compete in the room when they got to Iowa. (Lewboo the first). Anyone else remember this statement - or something along those lines?
If my memory serves me correctly - this tells me Gable didn't have a lot of wrestlers who could come in and be national champions in their true freshman year.
If my memory serves me correctly - this tells me Gable didn't have a lot of wrestlers who could come in and be national champions in their true freshman year.
Hardly surprising. He had "the model" that was working - work, work, work guys in the room into high endurance, physically dominant wrestlers. It took some time in the room to build that quality. Now technique instruction is more widely available, and more kids are entering a full year older than 30 years ago, allowing some to close the maturity gap a bit. The top guys don't have to be pure grinders - but they have to avoid being mauled.
Hasn't been updated for this year (Hall), but as of last year there were had been 15 TF (1st year wrestler) champs. Of course for a while freshman couldn't compete.
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16752
Weren't there only 2 true frosh to AA this year?
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16752
Weren't there only 2 true frosh to AA this year?
This plus more kids are year around and eschew other sports. I got technique stuff out of a book on my own time. All coaches have to do now is set up the TV, get it on their preferred technique site and let elite teach it if they want to. I think we have seen a big leap even in the past four years with these kids being fixtures in Colorado Springs working out with college and post grads.
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I think we are pretty much agreeing on the essentials, dice.
Jmho, I feel Brands is better at development, but am not going to say Cael doesn't develop guys. I still feel it can be hard to gauge just how much improvement happens when the wrestler is already at an elite status. As a true fr, a little over a month into the season, Retherford beat 2x ncaa champ, and thought to be near unbeatable, Logan Steiber. Hard to quantitate, but my suspicion is substantial development and talent were already present in Retherford before stepping on the PSU campus.
Bottom line of course, is winning national championships. Recruiting is part of the solution, and Cael and co are succeeding. PSU has been winning, and Iowa and everyone else has to do what it takes to catch up.
What I was told is GT had cold feet a few months back. He was open and transparent with brands bros that he would be considering his options again, IA included. Brands did what any good coach would do, supported GT and continued to recruit him. GT reached out to several schools throughout this time and ultimately chose PSU. I think the whole process was much more transparent than some are eluding to.
Like in December when he took his "I Choose Iowa" statement down? I agree with this...Brands knew...most people knew. At my hotel the night before NCAAs, the guy in the room next to me was telling me that GT was probably going PSU. He wasn't talking shit...pretty matter of fact. I was like, "I would have never guessed you were a brother, Spyker." What i actually said was, "I have heard the rumors."
The moment you mentioned "matter of fact "Spyker can't be included. Also you did not mention him screaming full court press while his hands were cupped...
Penn State actually has two law schools, one in Carlisle and one in Univ. Park. why would anyone on an Iowa wrestling board care, I dunno, but it came.
Some of us on this board (self included) are Iowa Law alums, currently ranked higher than either PSU law program (#20 nationally). We'll take our victories over PSU wherever we can find them these days...
For that matter, our college of medicine is better, too!
(Really have no idea how they rank, but it sounds good.)
And do we even need to start talking Writers' Workshops?! Or corn and bean yields?! Or hog populations?! We got PSU hands down there.
It isn't wrestling talent in PA, OH or NJ.
Someone pointed out the talent in Iowa currently is not what it once was. The other part is Brands isn't Gable. Brands has done a good job. 3 championships, annual top 4 (1 exception). However, right now Cael and his staff and Ryan and his staff are doing a better job.
Yes. And it used to have one with two campuses. And before that there was Dickinson.
And yes, Iowa has higher ranked med and law schools for what it's worth. Obviously why Meyer chose Iowa over PSU...
Noted, but not sure how comments (right, wrong, or indifferent) from PSU fans about the Iowa lineup is relevant to a different situation. Most notably, as of right now, PSU doesn't have four lightweights for only two spots. So, different situation.
No inside info, but I doubt Verkleeren ends up at PSU. As you imply, don't see how he fits. I'd guess he'll end up at Minny.
David Taylor for the first 6 months on campus (June through november) took a wrestling room beating on a daily basis.
What Gable was saying about Lincoln and Randy is from the day they first stepped on a Hawk wrestling room mat they could compete with the animals they had in the room. That is very rare.
Well I've been reading a lot of posts about how psu has room for gt/rby/lee/Vito/suriano and now apparently some Japanese dude, so that's six guys for 3 weights, (not that your post mentioned all those guys but you saying rby would fit is why I quoted your post specifically) so how do they all fit in without unlikely weight change predictions?
I don't know for sure but I don't think the Japanese guy is wrestling for PSU.
I don't think so either, just that I have seen a few psu fans saying he is a possibility. Do all countries pay Olympic medalists?? If he got paid for silver he would be ineligible anyway correct?
The Japanese dude (Olympian) is coming to the NLWC, not the PSU wrestling team. And the short-lived Vito rumor was refuted by Vito himself, so that was all crap.
I previousy laid out how the lineup might work out for 2019/2020, after a RS year for the current HS juniors: Suriano 125, GT 133/141, RBY 133/141, Lee 149, Berge 157. This assumes Lee can get up to 149, but he has 2-1/2 years to get there, so it's not a crazy scenario.
I think that depends on what weight , if he wrestled RS freshman yr at 141 wouldn't he still have run into logi
Well an Iowa guy just won a title at 133, after going through the toughest path in the tourney to include beating NATO, with essentially one arm. Maybe you can start there.
McDonough, Slaton, Dennis, Ramos, Gilman, Clark. And Terry once mentored a kid named Cejudo.
