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Ahhh. It appears CM is accounting for a poor AD while making this decision. Ok PURELLY HYPOTHITICAL........ GB comes out tmrw and says due to recent health issues he is stepping down. The powers to be throw a golden giraffe at Bob stoops and after recovering from said giraffe hit he is the one that gets to make the n3xt hire. You guys so worried about going down the toilet?
 
For those that tend to be on the "Ferentz forever" as I will jokingly call it. Is it you don't think there is anyone better for Iowa out there? Or you don't think Barta is capable of finding that person?

Neither necessarily, but as an employer I will tell you the chance to get a worse employee is better than getting even the same employee.

And I'm not a Ferentz forever guy or an apologist. I'm an experienced be careful what you wish for Guy! I'm not handcuffed by having to make the "hard" decision. I also realize the levity in all circumstances & most of these guys on here do not!
 
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I think that its a very small pool of candidates, guys who understand the culture of the state of iowa, accept the recruiting challenges inherent with the job, are capable of coaching said talent, and understanding what kind of football can be winning football with the challenges...oh and be willing to live and work in the fishbowl that is iowa city where you can't eat dinner or grocery shop without everyone knowing who you are...

with that in mind... I don't see Iowa landing elite big name coaches like a Stoops/Harbaugh/Kelly/ or name the top guy on any board.... they are gonna have to go to the well that produced an unknown like a KF and hope we catch lightening in a bottle twice...

I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the day comes as to the names who would actually be available. We may or may not ever hear all the names but in an industry where you can get fired after 3 years at the drop of a hate being a "company that can show the last two guys went 20 years will have a value.
 
Ahhh. It appears CM is accounting for a poor AD while making this decision. Ok PURELLY HYPOTHITICAL........ GB comes out tmrw and says due to recent health issues he is stepping down. The powers to be throw a golden giraffe at Bob stoops and after recovering from said giraffe hit he is the one that gets to make the n3xt hire. You guys so worried about going down the toilet?

Yep...Evasheski did a terrible job as AD!
 
Did the culture of Iowa change because bob stoops made a hire? Did we simply stop caring about academics and character for the sake of winning football games? Did Iowa City grow into a giant metropolis where the Iowa football coach isn't a public figure and either god or satan in any given week? Did the population sky rocket and the recruiting base grow like a corn field?

Yeah my concerns still exist I don't care WHO is making the hire.
 
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the day comes as to the names who would actually be available. We may or may not ever hear all the names but in an industry where you can get fired after 3 years at the drop of a hate being a "company that can show the last two guys went 20 years will have a value.

Who is available and who would be interested in the job are very different...
 
I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the day comes as to the names who would actually be available. We may or may not ever hear all the names but in an industry where you can get fired after 3 years at the drop of a hate being a "company that can show the last two guys went 20 years will have a value.

I think & hope that indeed this might be true. We have certainly proved we will pay. But we don't need a turnstill coming through here for other opportunities either.

Just because we are loyal doesn't mean they will be.
 
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Did the culture of Iowa change because bob stoops made a hire? No, I would say the culture would very much stay intact should bon be the next guy in said hypothitical. Did we simply stop caring about academics and character for the sake of winning football games?(No, are you saying Bob ran a dirty program while Wiley successful at ok? I am not saying we will get to contending for may champs every year here) Did Iowa City grow into a giant metropolis where the Iowa football coach isn't a public figure and either god or satan in any given week? (I dont even know where to start with this but it almaot seems like your wanting to find reasons the next guy wont work, spend some time in lincoln if you want to know what you can get for a coach that is under a giant microscope ic isnt $hit)Did the population sky rocket and the recruiting base grow like a corn field?

Yeah my concerns still exist I don't care WHO is making the hire.

We are going to hire someone someday man embrace your fear.
 
The difference between respect and fear is pretty small... I have respect for the challenges that lie ahead for the next coach, and fear he's not up to those challenges like our current guy.
 
Also, his salary is what his boss says he's worth.. The football team and the athletic department pull a profit each year, as long as that continues to be the case, he's not overpaid.

As long as the company I work for continues to profit off the job I do, I can claim my salary is appropriate... Seems simple enough to me...If my wage were to put the company in the red we'd have to talk because either i'm simply making too much money or i'm not performing well enough to pull a profit.. that's not happening here.
Shouldn't YOU profit off the job you do if the company is profiting?
 
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I think You are either a person who sees the glass half full or half empty. There are several examples of schools.making hires that improved the program. (FWIW the dude at Purdue is going to do it in front of us over then next couple years.)
He's been there one year and went 6-6, and you're proclaiming the program is going to surpass us? I think we need more evidence and a larger sample size to make a prediction like that.
So besides Purdue, who are all these other great hires in the B1G? Jim Tressel won 6 B1G titles in 8 years and Urban has only won 2 in 5. Harbaugh hasn't made any big improvements at Mich. Iowa has owned them for the last decade. Mr. 'Row the boat'? Lol. And coaches that can run a 'clean' program and still win consistently just aren't out there.
And all you folks actually believe that a new coach could elevate recruiting 10 fold. And it's just not going to happen. Urban, Harbaugh, Saban, etc.. could all come here and they wouldn't have much better results (they might get a few of the less than 'model' citizens that are good athletes, but most of us don't want those kids). They LOOK like great recruiters, but it is the schools they are recruiting to. Those schools have always had the top classes no matter who the coach was. Fact. Same with schools like USC and Notre Dame and Texas, etc...Those schools underachieve with the perceived talent they get.
 
I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the day comes as to the names who would actually be available. We may or may not ever hear all the names but in an industry where you can get fired after 3 years at the drop of a hate being a "company that can show the last two guys went 20 years will have a value.
Who were all the BIG names that were knocking the door down when Ferentz was hired? Lol. Stoops had never been a HC and was unproven at the time. Most Iowa fans had no idea who Ferentz even was. Who were the other 'big names' that were available or dying to coach at Iowa? There wasn't any that I'm aware of, so why do you think it would be any different now?
 
He's been there one year and went 6-6, and you're proclaiming the program is going to surpass us? I think we need more evidence and a larger sample size to make a prediction like that.
So besides Purdue, who are all these other great hires in the B1G? Jim Tressel won 6 B1G titles in 8 years and Urban has only won 2 in 5. Harbaugh hasn't made any big improvements at Mich. Iowa has owned them for the last decade. Mr. 'Row the boat'? Lol. And coaches that can run a 'clean' program and still win consistently just aren't out there.
And all you folks actually believe that a new coach could elevate recruiting 10 fold. And it's just not going to happen. Urban, Harbaugh, Saban, etc.. could all come here and they wouldn't have much better results (they might get a few of the less than 'model' citizens that are good athletes, but most of us don't want those kids). They LOOK like great recruiters, but it is the schools they are recruiting to. Those schools have always had the top classes no matter who the coach was. Fact. Same with schools like USC and Notre Dame and Texas, etc...Those schools underachieve with the perceived talent they get.

I've literally said this very thing 1000 times, no wonder you have detractors....no one is going to sign top 10 or even likely top 20 classes every year at Iowa or Wisconsin or even Michigan St or even Nebraska.

For one thing rating biases won't allow it.
 
Who were all the BIG names that were knocking the door down when Ferentz was hired? Lol. Stoops had never been a HC and was unproven at the time. Most Iowa fans had no idea who Ferentz even was. Who were the other 'big names' that were available or dying to coach at Iowa? There wasn't any that I'm aware of, so why do you think it would be any different now?
I stopped reading after you asked me to come up with names from 19 years ago.
 
  1. He's been there one year and went 6-6, and you're proclaiming the program is going to surpass us?( Where did I proclaim he would pass us?) I think we need more evidence and a larger sample size to make a prediction like that. (Agreed)
    So besides Purdue, who are all these other great hires in the B1G? Jim Tressel won 6 B1G titles in 8 years and Urban has only won 2 in 5.(want to talk about the record the year tresses left?) Harbaugh hasn't made any big improvements at Mich. (Look what he had for talent when he joined the program the fact he hasn't won a natty doesn't take away from going 6-6 to bcs bowls) Iowa has owned them for the last decade. Mr. 'Row the boat'? Lol. And coaches that can run a 'clean' program and still win consistently just aren't out there. (So did Bob stoops cheat?)
    And all you folks actually believe that a new coach could elevate recruiting 10 fold(your words, literally you are the only one that has said this). And it's just not going to happen. Urban, Harbaugh, Saban, etc.. could all come here and they wouldn't have much better results (they might get a few of the less than 'model' citizens that are good athletes, but most of us don't want those kids urban has proven he can win anywhere and im nor proclaiming we will become a blue blood but a coach with a +.600 lifetime record isn't crazy). They LOOK like great recruiters, but it is the schools they are recruiting to. Those schools have always had the top classes no matter who the coach was. Fact. Same with schools like USC and Notre Dame and Texas, etc...Those schoolsunderachieve with the perceived talent.
 
I've literally said this very thing 1000 times, no wonder you have detractors....no one is going to sign top 10 or even likely top 20 classes every year at Iowa or Wisconsin or even Michigan St or even Nebraska.

For one thing rating biases won't allow it.
Well, and these schools don't have the talent in their backyards that these other aforementioned schools have (they barely have literally ANYONE in their backyards, lol). These folks just can't get it through their heads how important the recruiting 'footprints' are. The schools with large and fertile footprints get tons of unofficial visits from kids in their backyards who are high sought after. Kids aren't coming from all over the country for unofficial visits to Iowa on their own dime (a lot of these kids family's don't even have a 'dime'). We have to get kids here on 'official' visits and recruits can only take up to 5 and most of the better recruits are being pulled for official visits by 15 to 20 or more big time schools. Nebraska has enough 'blue blood' that they are more successful that the other schools you mentioned. I think Iowa is doing better at identifying and getting to some kids earlier than they did 5 years ago. I think our recruiting is getting better with the new blood we have out there, but it is NEVER going to be top 20 no matter who the coach is. Just the way it is.
 
Well, and these schools don't have the talent in their backyards that these other aforementioned schools have (they barely have literally ANYONE in their backyards, lol). These folks just can't get it through their heads how important the recruiting 'footprints' are. The schools with large and fertile footprints get tons of unofficial visits from kids in their backyards who are high sought after. Kids aren't coming from all over the country for unofficial visits to Iowa on their own dime (a lot of these kids family's don't even have a 'dime'). We have to get kids here on 'official' visits and recruits can only take up to 5 and most of the better recruits are being pulled for official visits by 15 to 20 or more big time schools. Nebraska has enough 'blue blood' that they are more successful that the other schools you mentioned. I think Iowa is doing better at identifying and getting to some kids earlier than they did 5 years ago. I think our recruiting is getting better with the new blood we have out there, but it is NEVER going to be top 20 no matter who the coach is. Just the way it is.

Ohio has 100 D1 recruits alone...more than Iowa Missouri Wisconsin Minnesota Illinois & Indiana combined
 
Yupp you got me muskie. Again I have already told you my name. Willing to answer any of my follow up?
You need to lighten up. I've told you at least a couple times that I didn't see your name, so give it to me again. You are correct. You didn't say they would pass us. I misread "Purdue is going to do it in front of us over then next couple years." When I scanned over it I thought it said "Purdue is going to 'be' in front of us over the next couple years." My apologies.
 
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when the day comes as to the names who would actually be available. We may or may not ever hear all the names but in an industry where you can get fired after 3 years at the drop of a hate being a "company that can show the last two guys went 20 years will have a value.
Fine points and I'd add to them ... Iowa really DOES have a rabid fan-base. The fan-base always seems to impress recruits .... it always seems to impress bowl execs ... and it will presumably impress potential coaching candidates as well. Of course, the flip side of that is that life in the Iowa City/Coralville area can be more than a little bit of a fishbowl for such candidates too. The loyalty of the fan-base can also be matched by the wildness of its mood-swings (often further amplified by its degree of inebriation).

The precedent set by Iowa administrators to be willing to pay for a high level of performance exceeds what has been demonstrated by the Wisconsin program. Hence, that is possibly another big pull to Iowa. It's one thing to be at a program where stability is valued ... but to also get PAID (with a capital P) is another bit of incentive.

However, I would also say that it is critical that the hire is made by a highly competent AD ... furthermore, it should be made by an AD who actually understands the unique challenges that the geography of Iowa dictates. Firstly, as others have indicated, there can be huge fluctuations in the level of "obvious" D1 talent in the state. Unlike many other states (even ones with larger populations and greater population bases) the state of Iowa features 2 P5 programs in a relatively small population base AND, additionally, the state features a very high quality D1 FCS program too. Thus, neither Iowa nor ISU can count on recruits jumping on preferred walk-ons or grayshirt opportunities if UNI offers. If you look at Minnesota ... they don't have the same in-state competition for recruits. The same is true for Wisconsin ... and similarly for Missouri.

The state of Kansas is one of the very few examples that can share the pain of Iowa .... and yet it took a very special coach in Bill Snyder (again, part of the Fry coaching tree) to understand the special constraints of the local geography in order to produce a consistent winner.

Unfortunately, many, if not most, ADs are pandering buffoons who tend to chase the latest flavor of the month. Their expertise centers more on schmoozing with big donors and keeping the revenue flow up ... so many of them would be ill-equipped to understand the subtleties of their search for a winner at Iowa.

Oddly enough, the more I ponder the question ... I'm starting to gravitate towards the possibility put forth by another poster in another thread ... that somebody like Mark Stoops might prove to be a fine candidate for the Hawks down the road. My one concern with him is that he is a bit of a hot-head. However, on the flip-side, I would believe his love of Iowa to be sincere, he clearly has a keen football mind, and he can sure recruit. One possible problem with Mark though is ... given how he's done at Kentucky, what makes people believe that he would perform better at Iowa?

I'm not certain that anybody would be an obvious pick as a natural "fit" for Iowa. There are a number of folks who I can imagine would be successful at Iowa ... but I'm not certain that the success would be consistent. Furthermore, I'm not certain that the success would be any better that what folks have grown accustomed to from Ferentz and Co.
 
A few prefacing remarks:

1. Value added: Iowa's program while putting out mediocre seasons, still puts out the occasional beauty (like '02, '09, and '15 seasons), all things considered, Iowa seems to have a very fiscally sound athletic department

2. Iowa's record of placing under-recruited players into the NFL knows few, if any, equals. This points to Ferentz being an exceedingly good "football educator" ... being able to create a superb learning environment for his players. Few are better in the game. I know that I'm in the minority - but this facet of his resume is one of the factors that I respect the most about Ferentz.

I cherry picked a couple of points to respond to.

1- One of those seasons ended with a nice win against a grossly overrated GT team, and the other two were blowout losses to USC and Stanford. I can still taste them as if they just happened.

2- Wisconsin, duh. It drives me nuts that Iowa is so far behind Bucky on a national scale, regardless of the head to head records.
 
I cherry picked a couple of points to respond to.

1- One of those seasons ended with a nice win against a grossly overrated GT team, and the other two were blowout losses to USC and Stanford. I can still taste them as if they just happened.

2- Wisconsin, duh. It drives me nuts that Iowa is so far behind Bucky on a national scale, regardless of the head to head records.


Not far enough that they have gotten any closer to an NC than us. I'll admit I'm at a loss to as why we are so hit & miss, but I'm just as certain it's not all the Cliched touch points the fans love to throw out there.

Really it's one of the main reasons why I continually bring up what they're saying on other fan boards about their coaches. It's literally the same stuff over and over and over on every message board...

All I can hang onto is the fact that there are only 4 active coaches that have won national championships, Urban Meyer has put 50,000 people in the NFL and still has only won 1 at Ohio State & in fact "The" great Ohio State has only won 2 in the last 50 years & Michigan has only won one...honestly it's mind-boggling but it's also the status quo. Les Miles was/is a fine Coach. And LSU always has as much athleticism and talent as the best of the best and although yes he won more total games they still struggled mightily at times!

Eventually KF will leave and I truly am fine with that. But I'm here to tell you because I have kids that age & they are in high level club sports. I hear what parents say about fans of teams...these recruits follow fan bases and these message boards & as much as many of you hate to admit it. They are watched and they all know the shitty, crappy things our very own fans say about our very own coaches.

Look at all the great can't miss coaches that have been hired to big-time programs over the last 10 or 15 years and how badly they struggled.

But I'll end with an extremely honest statement...it really is mind-boggling how great a coach KF & company have proven to be as far as the kids go, and how many big big games they have won but also how many games they have let slip away...

And they have even addressed a few of the things that really were problems like game:clock management, being a tick more aggressive, going for it on fourth down, doing the things that put themselves in position and yet now we seem to be Maddeningly inconsistent for whatever reason.

And if I thought it was just us I'd wave the flag and say yeah let's MoveOn. But the Truth of the matter is I've come to the conclusion that teams like Iowa and Wisconsin and Michigan State...it's extremely tough to finally break over the hump, hell it's tough for Texas to get back on track or Notre Dame or Michigan etc. etc. etc. it just seems to be our lot in life! Texas also has only one NC in 40 or so years, ND, USC more of the same.....

You tell me....
 
I am confident that if you thought there were some, or it you had an argument, you would have kept reading and dug high and low to prove me wrong. But you know I'm right, so you coped-out.

So confident you addressed the same post twice? You are a beta dude go away. Travis Barnhart.
 
Not far enough that they have gotten any closer to an NC than us. I'll admit I'm at a loss to as why we are so hit & miss, but I'm just as certain it's not all the Cliched touch points the fans love to throw out there.

Really it's one of the main reasons why I continually bring up what they're saying on other fan boards about their coaches. It's literally the same stuff over and over and over on every message board...

All I can hang onto is the fact that there are only 4 active coaches that have won national championships, Urban Meyer has put 50,000 people in the NFL and still has only won 1 at Ohio State & in fact "The" great Ohio State has only won 2 in the last 50 years & Michigan has only won one...honestly it's mind-boggling but it's also the status quo. Les Miles was/is a fine Coach. And LSU always has as much athleticism and talent as the best of the best and although yes he won more total games they still struggled mightily at times!

Eventually KF will leave and I truly am fine with that. But I'm here to tell you because I have kids that age & they are in high level club sports. I hear what parents say about fans of teams...these recruits follow fan bases and these message boards & as much as many of you hate to admit it. They are watched and they all know the shitty, crappy things our very own fans say about our very own coaches.

Look at all the great can't miss coaches that have been hired to big-time programs over the last 10 or 15 years and how badly they struggled.

But I'll end with an extremely honest statement...it really is mind-boggling how great a coach KF & company have proven to be as far as the kids go, and how many big big games they have won but also how many games they have let slip away...

And they have even addressed a few of the things that really were problems like game:clock management, being a tick more aggressive, going for it on fourth down, doing the things that put themselves in position and yet now we seem to be Maddeningly inconsistent for whatever reason.

And if I thought it was just us I'd wave the flag and say yeah let's MoveOn. But the Truth of the matter is I've come to the conclusion that teams like Iowa and Wisconsin and Michigan State...it's extremely tough to finally break over the hump, hell it's tough for Texas to get back on track or Notre Dame or Michigan etc. etc. etc. it just seems to be our lot in life! Texas also has only one NC in 40 or so years, ND, USC more of the same.....

You tell me....

Well said. We have a terrific man at the helm in Kirk. Value these times for what they are, special.
 
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