Reynolds’ voucher program will cost Iowa taxpayers over $200 million in year two
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The idea that sending kids to private school for a superior education is specious at best. When you control for demographics, public schools and private schools perform similarly. When you track kids who take advantage of vouchers, they perform similarly to the cohorts they left at public schools. Multiple studies have shown that kids who utilize vouchers (under the “giving kids trapped in failing schools, kids in poverty” models) perform similarly in English and slightly lower Math in private school.
Now that we have expanded the pool those results will change because we are essentially giving a subsidy to families who are already well off. We are giving vouchers to the cohort that already performs well academically. And by expanding the pool you hide the under performing kids who somehow scrape together the funds to make it in to private school.
I’ve said this before: there is not a single private school available to me in the state of Indiana that could’ve provided the well rounded, broad, and deep educational opportunities that our public school provides. It did mean that my kids went to school with kids the private school proponents consider to be undesirable or undeserving of an education (as evidenced by many in this thread)…
Now that we have expanded the pool those results will change because we are essentially giving a subsidy to families who are already well off. We are giving vouchers to the cohort that already performs well academically. And by expanding the pool you hide the under performing kids who somehow scrape together the funds to make it in to private school.
I’ve said this before: there is not a single private school available to me in the state of Indiana that could’ve provided the well rounded, broad, and deep educational opportunities that our public school provides. It did mean that my kids went to school with kids the private school proponents consider to be undesirable or undeserving of an education (as evidenced by many in this thread)…
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Donald Trump has a thought about what to do with the disabled.
We really need to go back to the "Wondrous '50s", where kids like @HawkeyShawn 's Down Syndrome child would be hidden away and not brought out in public - an "embarrassment" to shove into a mental institution for the entirety of his life.
That's what these folks want to happen. Project2025 will evolve into exactly that, as funding is stripped away for people with children (young children and adult children) like this.
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How is it wasted? Please be specific. We really want to know how bad a person you are.
If you are that dense to not understand I doubt anyone on this board could explain it in terms you would understand.
No they are not Rico. That is a Ioway
GOP, Farm Bureau, Kim Reynolds fabrication.
Show me some “facts” that substantiate your assertion here. You can’t.
Again Rico…. You are a tool of the political right. Not an independent thought in your head.
Once you pay that money to “the state” in the form of taxes, it is no longer “your” money but becomes “our” money. Be that money you pay be via sales tax, income tax, property tax….once paid it becomes “our” money.,
Which is why all "our" children should have the opportunity to make use of the vouchers not just those without special needs. One type of school will honor every child in the states voucher and the other type gets to pick and choose. Private school choice is not available to all "our" children.
Nobody has moved out of state because of GOP, Farm Bureau, or Kim Reynolds.
People have moved in State because of the fantastic leadership the Honorable Kim Reynolds has exhibited. The additional lure of low tazes will add to the influx of people flocking to Iowa.
I don’t think it means what you think it means. It’s only been explained to you 100 times.
Nope. It's a limited resource. Because it was underfunded for years. That is reality for many things.
btw, if you're the parent of a school aged kid and you do want to attend a private school, and utilize the education credit, you'd better get signed up quickly. Because those private schools are going to be full soon, and you will have missed your chance.
A private entity couldn't fund themselves so you believe the goverment should subsidize them?
What a freaking hypocrite you are.
They did fund themselves until very recently. And, yes, the government should be financially supporting the education of all our children. At whatever school they and their family choose to attend.
So you admit it's not the parent/child's choice but the school's choice of who they want to admit. That, by itself, makes the whole thing a sham.
Unless of course the school won't let the child choose to attend.
But they (student/parent) don't choose. The school does.
The government has always been financially supporting education for our children.
Your argument continues to fail on many levels.
Only so many openings and the publics hunger for the better choice of education for their children makes it likely everyone who wants to escape the failed public school system in Iowa to not escape as of now.
School vouchers intended to save taxpayer money blew a massive hole in Arizona's budget
Arizona’s voucher experiment has since precipitated a budget meltdown. The state this year faced a $1.4 billion budget shortfall, much of which was a result of the new voucher spending, according to the Grand Canyon Institute, a local nonpartisan fiscal and economic policy think tank. Last fiscal year alone, the price tag of universal vouchers in Arizona skyrocketed from an original official estimate of just under $65 million to roughly $332 million, the Grand Canyon analysis found; another $429 million in costs is expected this year.As a result of all this unexpected spending, alongside some recent revenue losses, Arizona is now having to make deep cuts to a wide swath of critical state programs and projects, the pain of which will be felt by average Arizonans who may or may not have school-aged children.
Among the funding slashed: $333 million for water infrastructure projects, in a state where water scarcity will shape the future, and tens of millions of dollars for highway expansions and repairs in congested areas of one of the nation’s fastest-growing metropolises — Phoenix and its suburbs. Also nixed were improvements to the air conditioning in state prisons, where temperatures can soar above 100 degrees. Arizona’s community colleges, too, are seeing their budgets cut by $54 million.
So, to be fair, you would support a lottery system to determine who gets in, correct?
Of course you don't. You're supportive because it benefits you and the church you support. You don't care about educating our children, you only care about lining your own pockets and those of the church.
So where did the other $1.1 billion go?
Seems like vouchers were a small part of the budget shortfall.
LOL - you could care less about Iowa school children getting the best education for the money spent.
Well, now you're just making things up. But, if the school wouldn't, or couldn't accept them for any reason, no problem, they've still got that wonderful public school option available to them.
But the voucher selling point is choice, some children families aren't given one because private schools won't accept them. It's not choice for all parents/children.
Most families will have more opportunity for choice than they had previously....
How do you figure that? There are about 40K private school students and around 400K public school students. How are private schools going to accomodate those numbers?
This is merely a scam to pay families already going to private schools and those who choose to home school their kids. A family with 3 kids can receive over $20K for keeping their kids at home when this is fully implemented. Do you think that's a good idea?
They aren't, but that's not the point,.. Some of these students now have a choice.. That's an opportunity that they didn't previously have.
It's funny you choose to disregard the facts of college grads leaving the State in droves and the coming issue of OBGYNs and other doctors refusing to move here because of anti abortion laws and threats of lawsuits and ridiculous liability insurance costs.
How large is that "bubble" you live in?
First, it's not their choice, it's the school's. Second, the vast majority of vouchers are going to students who have never gone to public schools. And even if the private schools expanded by 10% that's only 4000 out of the 400,000 public school students. Very, very few students currently in public schools will have a private school option because of vouchers.
Your assertion, once again, is absurd.
Of course it's a good idea when the other option would be to send those 3 kids to a failing public school indoctrination center.
