I would agree for the most part but if Zach Ryder is looking to transfer and he is a guy that you want to get in the room. In this case the weights don't work in our favor but in the future it may be a stud freshman that has not even had the chance yet and be at a need weight.
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Or maybe he’s just afraid of magic?Deathly afraid? Is that because he can blow up the steroid use at any time???
More than two, and I think it's to be expected from here on out anytime Iowa or Oklahoma state's name is mentioned with a guy.
When has Cael benched a better wrestler in favor of a lesser one?
thats why he cancelled his visit to OKST - b/c PSU offered him nothing - this makes a lot of sense...
not without getting any on hisself
Deathly afraid? Is that because he can blow up the steroid use at any time???
rocco was hanging out with psu guys at ncaas apparently. not that it means there was tampering
It was a joke, hence the winky dude. I am not one to hurl accusations like that without proof. But, make no mistake, if it were true he most certainly could "whistle blow" without it really hurting him any. You could never prove exactly what he did to try to take any medals or championships away from him as a competitor and he could always play the card that he left because it made him uncomfortable and he coaches "above" that and actually benefit in a major way from the fallout inevitably getting names to OkState that would otherwise end up at PSU...
Again, I am not remotely saying it is true and this is mainly a joke to me, but, short of some incriminating video evidence, he could definitely cripple PSU with that kind of scandal and come out of it smelling like a rose..
Okay, so you're assuming a lot:So Barr is staying at 97.
Too bad for Mirasola, Ryder, Cunningham, and Cochran and Henckel. And now Levi will have to stop growing because he's stuck at 74.
With Ono, too bad for B. Davis, Nagao, Desmond (125 recruit), Dalton Perry (141 recruit), Jayden James (150 recruit) and Sam Herring (138 recruit). Ono/Blaze will hold down 133/141 (or 141/149) for a few years and Lilledahl will likely grow to 133.
And then Kasak, Sealey, Duke, Cunningham, Haines and Messenbrink can all fight over 157/165/174
When you have 10 AAs and then buy a national runner-up and Japanese world champ, the sport no longer becomes enjoyable for fans.
Coaching is somewhat irrelevant now, and so is nationals. When Ono or Welsh win it, can you say it wasn't expected or that PSU coaching gets credit. Not me.
- Ono getting four years
- No RS
- No busts
- No injuries
DT can sell the "Return to Glory" angle. Comes down to where he thinks he can become his best version. He'll be training with a world teamer regardless of which he chooses.
good god i didn't notice who i was responding to
Well, by some accounts. Who root for a certain school.
Say 4 Our Fathers, 3 Hail Marys and 2 Glory Bes and you will be forgiven my son!
This x 100. I'm pretty well out on college basketball bc of it. Football is headed that way and most people I know watched less and are devoting less time to it. Hate to see wrestling go down this road but here we are.
As dominant as Gable and Iowa were during his reign, no one can ever say he didn't want what was best for the sport. It's been a huge part of his legacy. Up till now, there's 0.0% chance the same can be said of Cael and psu. He'd rather stay on top and see the sport and other programs die than see the sport flourish.
I can think of a couple ways to definitively determine this -
PSU could decide not to recruit top 50 PFP guys going forward
PSU submits backups to post season tourneys
all of the returning PSU guys can transfer to Iowa and see if they achieve the same places
lastly, Cael can go back to ISU for next year. If he leads them back to relevancy, then everyone would pretty much be forced to admit it
So Cael should tank his recruiting and coaching for the greater good of wrestling? Got it.
If he’s actually paying guys to not go to other teams (and not just to go to his team) that’s beyond the scope of recruiting/coaching.
That’s anti-competitive. It’s throwing around money as an F you for even trying to compete. Is he a competitor or just an asshole?
And the proof that he’s engaged in such behavior is… ? I guess it’s easier to accuse someone of cheating than it is to look at the other programs and address why they might be coming up short. No need to recruit better or take a hard look at coaches or training when addressing weaknesses wouldn’t correct the cheating. Playing the victim is just easier.
To be clear, I’m not making an accusation. I have no possible way of knowing if any of it is true. It seems a strange thing to make up, but people make up all kinds of things for clout these days and I do hope it is just a rumor.
Do you also need “proof” that PSU paid off tuition after graduation for their guys? Because that happened. I don’t have access to their student accounts or financial tracking, but it happened and it’s from a recent PSU wrestler.
Anything is possible, but PSU paid Alirez to not go where, exactly? I mean, that makes zero sense since he could have gone anywhere and PSU still would have smoked every other team. You'd need three Alirez's to even make this seem like something PSU would need to do to remain on top.
No, sorry man. All Iowa fans do is look at our program and look at ways it could be better. It doesn’t mean every rumor about PSU is true, but some of this stuff has been an open secret for awhile
Or you can just bury your head in the sand, and pretend everything was done above board. This cuts both ways. You are every bit as invested in these “rumors” being false as many on here are in them being true. You only ask for proof, because you know nobody on here has it sitting in a pdf document ready for rebuttal. There are many donors in the community that donate significant amounts to more than one team. They do it because they form relationships and love the sport. Ira/Cael doing this as a way of preventing talent from matriculating to rivals should come as a great surprise to absolutely nobody. Believe or don’t believe it, but save the rhetoric for your own board.
FFS. Really? It’s okay to recruit in today’s environment, and rest assured, that’s exactly what PSU did. Rocco has been doing just fine where he’s at, kids can get paid now, and he just didn’t bounce to PSU because Cael is so wonderful lol. Yes, an amazing resume and coach, but let’s be honest on what’s important in the current environment.
Hell, I’d be soliciting my services if I were in Rocco’s shoes. Why not?
Are you talking the 2018 season where Rasheed ended up getting the nod? Didn't Rasheed win the Scuffle and Rasheed pinned the guy Cassar lost to in that same tournament? On top of that, wasn't there a lot of talk that Rasheed won the actual wrestle off as well? Rasheed had a lot of injuries derail his career, much like Cassar, but he was damn good that year and 197 was LOADED...
you're aware he visited OKST in the winter, right?
i mean, he was looking around for a while.
I get that things have changed, but how is that not a violation? I mean "winter" means in season, correct?
What “violation” ?!
Welcome to the world the NCAA created by kicking the can on enforcing NIL and portal rules. Hypocrites. Decided it was better to spend millions to stop a labor pool from being able to make money on their name/image/likeness than just make some rules and enforce them.
Plus, RTCs are a GIANT loophole.
I get what it has become now. Too many grey areas to exploit. Just saying, the way Willie worded it, my question begged being asked....
Exactly a college athlete can visit any RTC he wants which has been the rule for awhile. But now add in NIL and 3rd parties and we have the wild wild west. Then add in social media and athletes messaging other athletes about leaving. And now we have free agency every year it's insanity.
This whole Rocco Welsh situation is the perfect example of why it's stupid to redshirt someone who is clearly the best option at his weight. All you're doing is throwing away a year you could've used him. You never know how long he's going to be here and assuming you'll get all 4 years eventually is foolish. Tom Ryan really screwed this up.
I hope all of you people who thought it was a good idea to redshirt Angelo Ferrari know what you asked for. He was clearly the best option at 184 but you think it'll be better to save that year on the back end in 2029. . . if he's still here. Good luck with that.
I hope all of you people who thought it was a good idea to redshirt Angelo Ferrari know what you asked for. He was clearly the best option at 184 but you think it'll be better to save that year on the back end in 2029. . . if he's still here. Good luck with that.
I am very confused by the "pay to not go" idea. How would that even work?
A booster pays the athlete not to go to a certain school. The athlete cashes the check and goes to the school anyway (and bonus if he gets paid by the school he attends too). What recourse does the booster have? Is there a contract that can be enforced in court?
Alternatively, the booster says I will give you 10%, or 25%, or 50%, or whatever, up front and the rest when you do not graduate from that other school. The athlete cashes the upfront payment and goes to the school anyway. Again, what recourse?
Or, the booster says I will give you the money in a year, or four years, if you do not go to that school. Why does the athlete trust he will ever see that money? Is there a contract that he can attempt to enforce through the courts?
Any idea what the mechanism would be to enforce this a "do not go to that school" agreement?
A booster pays the athlete not to go to a certain school. The athlete cashes the check and goes to the school anyway (and bonus if he gets paid by the school he attends too). What recourse does the booster have? Is there a contract that can be enforced in court?
Alternatively, the booster says I will give you 10%, or 25%, or 50%, or whatever, up front and the rest when you do not graduate from that other school. The athlete cashes the upfront payment and goes to the school anyway. Again, what recourse?
Or, the booster says I will give you the money in a year, or four years, if you do not go to that school. Why does the athlete trust he will ever see that money? Is there a contract that he can attempt to enforce through the courts?
Any idea what the mechanism would be to enforce this a "do not go to that school" agreement?
It did happen, but it was the nlwc that paid the debt off after graduation.
But it was fine for Buchanan, Parco, and Teemer, right? Just want to keep up with the narrative...
Who said anything about tanking recruiting? He's going scorched earth on everyone and everything at this point including his own roster. He's recruiting over kids who made major life choices to attend psu and by all measurements have been successful. It's honestly worse than the old Nick Saban, "we're going to medically retire you" trick so he could pull the scholarship and give it to someone else.
And that's not even getting into the purported financial support to kids for the sole purpose of not transferring to certain schools. Screw him and anyone supporting this garbage.
