Reese is a great rebounder. Three straight 20+ rebound games doesn't happen by accident. However, her offensive skill needs a lot of polish (4-16 FG today). She throws up a lot of junk and gets blocked a lot.
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With that shooting stat line, did she get 10 rebounds off her own shots? Still a dang good number of rebounds.
She is a very good rebounder. Can't help at laugh a bit here. Looks like she gets her 18th, 19th, 20th, and 21st rebound in one sequence.
Its actually ridiculous. On one play alone she went from 18 rebounds to 22 because she threw up 3 or 4 shots, just pushing the ball at the basket or tipping it and then getting the next rebound. She never actually shot the ball, and NEVER did score the hoop. She got the foul and went to the line. She actually made both free throws I think (which in itself is an accomplishment for her). So on ONE offensive possession she had 2 points and FOUR rebounds. She has several of these every game. I mean on one hand you have to applaud her effort, and she is a great rebounder, BUT her miss rate is SO bad that even for so many offensive rebounds they aren't actually scoring that many points. Anyone who isn't totally biased, and knows the game can see that her rebounding stats are so padded simply because she has no skill as a scorer even three foot from the basket. Its one of the most strange things I've ever seen.
I honestly think that Reese is missing some on purpose to get those rebounds. She has inside knowledge of where the ball is gonna go since she is the one launching them. You combine that with her superb positioning skills and you have many offensive rebounds. This is an easy way of padding stats and keeping herself relevant in the ROY discussions.
She's a force under the basket where rebounds are concerned for certain. I don't think I've ever seen a player at any level, male or female, throw up as much garbage at the rim than her. She is to Bunnies as Shaq was to FT shooting. And, after the amount of games she's played in this season, it does make a mind ponder the possibility of missing shots to raise rebound numbers. Nah, it couldn't be...
Wilbon has been out of touch on things for years. His Chicago bias has greatly impacted his commentary and not in a good way. I used to live in the D C area and really enjoyed Wilbon and Kornheiser but they both need to hang it up.
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Yes, when you miss that much, you learn where the ball is going to end up, and can get there before the other players. While I agree she has developed positioning skills, it has become a learned skill borne of necessity, because she is a below average shooter. I'll give her credit for learning that as a cover for her poor offensive skills.
But ROY? Please. . . Anyone promoting her is just trying to boost his/her social media profile by clicks/traffic, whatever the measure is.
It's worse. She's not missing those shots on purpose. She has no skill aside from being big and aggressive. To consider her for ROY is laughable.
I would say that is only partially correct. Most years, AR would win the award. Last year, Boston was unanimous and her numbers were very comparable to AR. She probably would have won the last six back to Wilson in 2018.
Now this year you have arguably the best rookie EVER in CC who is also leading her team into playoffs after a long drought and contest should not be close.
Yeah no, Moses Malone was one helluva player, you can't mention Moses in the same breath as reese
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That's the problem with only looking at stat lines and not watching actual play, though. Reese FG% is 38% and the majority of her shots are within 5 feet of the basket. 5.2 of her rebounds per game are offensive, many of which are her own misses. Is she effective? Yes. Is she skillful? Not very in my opinion.
Uncoordinated. A lot of times she tosses up a pail of garbage.
If not for Moses, the Doctor would have never gotten an NBA title...they were my team😍
I get your point, but was specifically referencing how many bunnies he missed only to get his own offensive rebounds.
Candace Parker avg 18.5 PPG, 9.5 RPG, 3.4APG, 1.3 Steals and 2.3 blocks, with a 52/42/73 shooting split in 2008. She was named MVP and ROY. This is the gold standard by which all rookies are measured. She also averaged 2.8 turnovers for a 1.2 A/TO, if you are into that stat.
That was my whole point of using the word.
CC has had such a great season the discussion is worthy. Her numbers are comparable to Parker’s depending on value of Reb vs Asst vs Blocks, etc.
Also, the Sparks had a 10-game improvement between 2007 and 2008. But they also added 33-year-old Lisa Leslie which is a pretty good addition, and the top 6 scorers were all new to the team.
Parker also ranked 1st that year in Win Shares* and 2nd in PER*MIN^. Clark is currently 26th in Win Shares (a stat that favors players on better teams) and 8th in PER*MIN (a stat that seems to favor front court players, at least in college).
*Win Shares - An advanced stat that approximates the total number of wins a player produces for their team
^PER*MIN - An estimate of the total value created by a player in their minutes played with their per minute value estimated via Player Efficiency Rating
When your comparing Reese to Boston you might add in the context that Boston shot around 60% last season and Reese is shooting around 38-39% for the season. If you were to take in to account all the rebounds Reese gets off her own terrible missed shots then her rebound numbers aren't much better then Bostons from last season. So, NO they aren't comparable IF you actually look at it through unobstructed lenses. Unfortunately the media has released such a onslaught of hype that many people aren't really looking at just how ineffective she actually is. Many of her rebound don't lead to more points, just more rebounds.
ESPN has an updated rookie tracker this morning. You guessed it, they still have Reese #1.
There isn’t one GM in the WNBA that would pick Reese over Clark if they were able to have one of them on their team.
ESPN looking for clicks and angry comments. It’s a $$ thing for them.
I don't think rebounds are a measure for ROY.
It doesn't add directly to offensive production. If a player dominates statistically as Caitlin does, fills arenas and supercharges a league, is on the all-WNBA team, however unjustly 2nd team while Reese is not, and not ROY is just nuts.
Ranking*:
Scoring
10. Clark 18.0
28. Reese 13.9
Blocked shots:
16. Clark 1.4
27. Reese 0.5
Steals
19 Clark 1.4
21.Reese 1.3
Assists
1. Clark 8.2
61. Reese 1.8
Rebounds
1. Reese 12.9
19. Clark 5.7
* Data current 8/29/2024
It doesn't add directly to offensive production. If a player dominates statistically as Caitlin does, fills arenas and supercharges a league, is on the all-WNBA team, however unjustly 2nd team while Reese is not, and not ROY is just nuts.
Ranking*:
Scoring
10. Clark 18.0
28. Reese 13.9
Blocked shots:
16. Clark 1.4
27. Reese 0.5
Steals
19 Clark 1.4
21.Reese 1.3
Assists
1. Clark 8.2
61. Reese 1.8
Rebounds
1. Reese 12.9
19. Clark 5.7
* Data current 8/29/2024
Crazy to think that Clark, who was playing in college just five months ago, is in the top 20 in all of these stats. With only 144 roster spots in the league, she's in the top 14% for all of them.
^^^^^^^ Wouldn't you think AR would have more blocks than CC?
It's odd. She concentrates on rebounding to the point of neglect of everything else.
Well she gets her shot blocked way more than CC if that counts.
It's natural for her. People don't give her credit for her defensive presence. She may not be the ideal face up defensive player, but she is quick, long limbed and disruptive.
Shocker.
It is so unbelievably stupid. not giving them any clicks.
She was a forward. She didn't handle the ball/run the offense thus was subject to constant pressure like CC. Caitlin came in with a target on her back, little or team preparation facing a killer schedule with the youngest team in the league.
Nothing to demean Parker's accomplishments but let's face it. She was a basketball player.
Did she fill arenas?
Did she make TV networks ecstatic?
Did she have star quality?
Caitlin Clark is a basketball player on another planet.
The NCAA had never seen any like it.
The WNBS have never seen anything like it.
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