Hey now, isu's all time record ranks them 107th out of 129 teams. Didn't you get the memo from isu grad as to how awesome they are?
Rumors of Iowa vs. Notre Dame
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Hey now, isu's all time record ranks them 107th out of 129 teams. Didn't you get the memo from isu grad as to how awesome they are?
That comes down to the 9 game conference schedule. You have to be very creative to juggle P5 home and away series like some of your examples above. MSU is a good test case. They have ND and BYU as you stated. They have 7 home games this year because they start the 9 game rotation with 5 home and 4 away, and have BYU at home, plus a cupcake. But when do they go to visit BYU? It's not in 2017 when they'll have 5 conference away games. It's in 2020, when they are again at 5 conference home games. If you stagger your away games with non-con P5s so you only travel in your 5 home game years (even number years for MSU, odd for Iowa), then you can schedule two at once, but only on those years. This means you can set yourself a challenging slate (including a P5 home and P5 away) every other year. The opposite year (4 home, 5 away in conference), you can either schedule your home date with the P5 opponent that you'll return in 2 or 4 years, or you schedule 3 cupcakes.
Where that breaks down for us is that we are locked into the ISU series every year. We aren't going to be able to play them every other season for at least the foreseeable future. Since our schedule is this way with a guaranteed additional road game every odd year, that strips us of our ability to schedule another P5 road opponent while still keeping 7 games.
The only team above that is giving up the 7th home game is USC. They have 9 conference games, an annual Notre Dame game, an upcoming neutral site, and a home and away scheduled with Texas. I don't see that they are likely to have 7 home games any time soon. So there you have it: one major college team that chooses not to have 7 home games.
Could we follow suit? Probably, yes, but are we going to be able to schedule such high-profile opponents as USC to make up for the lost revenue? Not any time soon.
I really do love the Iowa/ISU games. I have "friends" who are Iowa State fans, and living in Iowa City, the atmosphere is always amazing that week. Even though we don't really gain anything from winning, the game is almost always hard fought and good early season experience for our young men. I could understand dropping the game because of the home/away arrangement but not because we have the nothing to gain/everything to lose mentality because it just isn't true.
Wrong. Our home and away ISU games are set to be opposite of our 4/5 conference game schedule. So each year we make it 5 home and 5 away between ISU and B1G games. That means scheduling home and away with any other team presents us with 6 away games on the return visit to their house. I'm not arguing to ditch ISU, but as long as they are scheduled, we can't have 7 home games each year and still play another P5 team that would require a return visit.
It would be great to upgrade the schedule, but we'd have to play 6 away games or a neutral site to do so.
Which is why the only way this works is to dump isu or have them come to Iowa City each year.
If ISU was half way decent wouldn't be a lose lose situation. As for MAC and FCS if you can't understand the concept of losing to these schools even if you are ISU is a lose lose situation when you lose these games as isu has had their fair share of them then I don't know how else to explain it to you.
If those MAC teams and FCS teams are better than Iowa State they are still lose/lose game but they are a better chance of a loss than a horrible Iowa State team is
Thank you. Don't understand why some people can't grasp this scheduling issue concept.
I don't think history would back the claim that every Big Ten team has pounded Notre Dame.
I would guess 2 possibly 3 teams (Mich and Ohio State and probably just barely) might have a winning record v the Irish with most members having a dismal record against Notre Dame.
Might have to go back to the 60's or 70's to find a B1G winning decade v Notre Dame.
I've only followed a handful of comments on this thread since I posted last night, so keep that in mind when reading this brief response.
Yes, I stand by everything I stated last night. As far as the difference between MAC schools are concerned, as people have tried to explain to you, Iowa isn't locked into a long-term home and home agreement with any of them.
Again, though, I recognize all of this talk is moot anyway because the series won't be dropped.
If you were to say every non conference game for Iowa this year and next year is a lose/lose situation it'd make more sense
I'm not sure I'm following the premise of your argument or what exactly you are trying to say. Again, I'm sure there have been a variety of opinions offered on the ISU/Iowa series that I haven't read which you might be referencing that I'm not privy to.
If you are saying that every opponent on Iowa's non-conference schedule this season is an underdog, I am not disputing that in the least. I'm just not understanding how that is relevant or germane to the topic of how the ISU/Iowa football home and home series benefits Iowa nothing.
The fact that it is an intrastate rivalry that is popular with many fans in the state is not in dispute. My point was and continues to be what does having an annual contest versus Iowa State benefit Iowa from a strictly football point of view? Nothing. If Iowa played Iowa State on a rotation similar to UNI, then cool.
I guess I don't get how the Iowa State game always gets called a lose/lose situation because if Iowa loses it's an embarrassment and if they win it was expected. You could say that with literally half your schedule and every non conference game this year and next year but for some reason ISU is the only "lose/lose" game that gets mentioned
Okay, now I see where you're confused. No, a loss to ISU would not be anymore embarrassing or hurtful perception-wise than any other opponent on their non-conference schedule. What I, and I think others are pointing out, is being locked into a series agreement with Iowa State in which Iowa has Iowa State on the schedule every season is not beneficial for Iowa. Iowa State is the only non-conference opponent that is scheduled every year, and beyond the fact it's an intrastate rivalry, people are simply pointing out what does Iowa get out of that? Nothing.
And for the record, I remember having these talks in the 90s when Iowa was racking up a decade and a half winning streak against Iowa State.
OK now we're on the same page. I'm all for getting rid of the series too or at least make it every other year
From a personal standpoint, I dislike the game and wish it was never played. I get no joy out of seeing Iowa beat Iowa State, and because so many of my friends and family are for Iowa State I get to hear their crap whenever Iowa State wins. Plus, I don't hate Iowa State and have gone to a few games at Jack Trice over the years supporting the Cyclones.
Anyway, all of that aside, having Iowa and Iowa State play each other once every 2-4 years isn't a bad idea. But, as we've established already, all of this is moot.
I think at this point it would benefit both schools, and their fan bases, to drop this series or at least go to an every other year deal. ISU is so fixated on beating Iowa that the season is considered a success no matter what else they do. ISU needs to focus more on there overall season and less on Iowa. Simply put, they need a break so they can focus on something else and build a respectable program. As a state of fans, it would be good if Iowans had two teams they could cheer for, or at least on team they cheered for and one they were neutral about. Right now it is all about division and vitriol.
For Iowa, the reasons are obvious why this series needs to be dropped or reduced. Flexibility in scheduling and the ability to schedule series with other P5 schools.
For Iowa, the reasons are obvious why this series needs to be dropped or reduced. Flexibility in scheduling and the ability to schedule series with other P5 schools.
Name one Iowa State fan that considered 2014 a successful season. The second part made me laugh at least, well done.
Yep this is why Iowa is Iowa and isu isn't. When your school is ranked 107th out of 129 it pretty much speaks for itself but that never stops isu grads now does it?
I agree most fans probably don't believe the Iowa game is the be all end all.
But I did have dinner with my ISU friend last night, who is usually very reasonable when it comes to ISU. He said if Iowa went 11-1 and ISU went 1-11 this year beating Iowa, it would be a successful season. He usually doesn't go that route, but he doesn't want to see Iowa undefeated again obviously.
No offense but your friend sounds like he's not very smart. I don't think I know an ISU fan that is worried about Iowa going undefeated this year either but maybe there are some out there
Well most seasons ISU doesn't make a bowl game so consolation prize and next best thing for them is beating Iowa like in 2014. Their athletic program even sold DVDs of that game that season. But I'll give you that no one even Mr Passion, so proud, Paul Rhoads wouldn't even consider 2014 a success at all.
I think some of you guys have an inflated opinion of what the game means to ISU fans. It's fun to win because of the smack talk aspect but I'd rather win a conference game regardless of who it is. I don't even know the last time ISU won more than 3 conference games which is depressing
What you just described is very reason why the game means so much to many, if not most ISU fans. Beating Iowa is about as good as it gets.
Have an ISU fan describe their greatest memory of Cyclone football, and often it will be a memory of ISU ruining somebody else's season, not making their own season.
City, this may not describe you, but it does describe much of ISU's fan base. Iowa's fan base has warts too.
Under Rhoads I wouldn't say any of his biggest wins were against Iowa. To most ISU fans every conference game means more than the Iowa game. Same way with Iowa fans
When did I say "under Rhoads?" That said, you proved my point. His biggest win was ruining Oklahoma State's season. Is that your greatest moment in Cyclone football? Ruining Oklahoma State's season?
I think you are projected the way you feel on the fan base. Considering ISU almost never competes in their conference, conference wins mean no more than a win vs. UNI. It's a race to six wins, and I guarantee it means more to the fan base to beat Iowa than Kansas.
Kid yourself if you want, but the Iowa game is the most important game on the schedule to much, if not most of your fan base.
Do you live out of state? Would make sense you feel that way, if so.
I live in the state and I don't know a single ISU fan that views Iowa as the most important game on the schedule. I don't know a single Iowa fan that views ISU as the biggest game of the schedule either. I'm guessing Herkyfan probably does but I have him on ignore
I know plenty of Iowa State fans who have said, "Well, at least we beat Iowa this year." I also one time attended an Iowa State game at the end of October and bumped into I assume an ISU student who had painted on his bare chest "**** the Hawks."
So, yes, there are plenty of Iowa State fans who rest on that laurel.
So you know plenty of ISU fans that thought 2014 was successful? Iowa has a good program but some of you guys have an inflated opinion of how others view you
Then you're in a very very very small minority of ISU fans.
Most Iowa fans care more about the ISU game than a conference game against Purdue or Maryland. See I can throw stuff at the wall too!
I don't think I know any ISU fans that don't consider the Iowa game as the most important game, and live in Ankeny. I know a bunch. I think ISU fans telling you it is not the most important game to them, are often not being untruthful. I guess only they know. I can tell you this, there is no other game they celebrate like a victory over Iowa. It's not even close. The only thing even close is a victory over Nebraska, and that ship has sailed. If it isn't the most important game, then their actions and feelings are not lined up.
We can agree on one thing. Herkyfan puts a lot on that ISU game.
I feel like many Iowa fans on here do. I am always relieved when it's over. It's like a trip to the dentist. Even when it's painful, at least it's over.
