Rumors of Iowa vs. Notre Dame

[EZ2BJZ]

So you know plenty of ISU fans that thought 2014 was successful? Iowa has a good program but some of you guys have an inflated opinion of how others view you

1. Yes, I know plenty of Iowa State fans. But no, I can't think of one who has ever talked about any season being successful in recent memory. So to answer your question candidly, Iowa State fans in general don't talk about seasons. They only talk about the two or three monumental upsets Iowa State has had in recent memory. To many of them, the 2009 win at Nebraska was legendary. The 2011 upset of Oklahoma State was pure ecstasy. Any win over Iowa is orgasmic. That, at least from my experience, is how Iowa State fans gauge success. They just don't talk about seasons period.

2. Nope, we are talking strictly Iowa State fans. No other fan base is ever mentioned as far as having an obsession with Iowa. If you can cite one post in which an Iowa fan talked about another fan base having a crush on us, please provide the link.

 

[CyCity]

I don't think I know any ISU fans that don't consider the Iowa game as the most important game, and live in Ankeny. I know a bunch. I think ISU fans telling you it is not the most important game to them, are often not being untruthful. I guess only they know. I can tell you this, there is no other game they celebrate like a victory over Iowa. It's not even close. The only thing even close is a victory over Nebraska, and that ship has sailed. If it isn't the most important game, then their actions and feelings are not lined up.

We can agree on one thing. Herkyfan puts a lot on that ISU game.

I feel like many Iowa fans on here do. I am always relieved when it's over. It's like a trip to the dentist. Even when it's painful, at least it's over.

I don't think I know any Iowa fans that don't consider the ISU game as the most important game. I know a bunch. I think Iowa fans telling you it is not the most important game to them, are often not being untruthful. I guess only they know.

I feel like many ISU fans do. I am always relieved when it's over. It's like a trip to the dentist. Even when it's painful, at least it's over

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Most Iowa fans care more about the ISU game than a conference game against Purdue or Maryland. See I can throw stuff at the wall too!

Yes, you can throw stuff at the wall. That is abundantly clear.

But you still haven't offered any thing of substance in the way of a convincing argument or rebuttal.

 

[Birky]

Most Iowa fans care more about the ISU game than a conference game against Purdue or Maryland. See I can throw stuff at the wall too!

Those games sometimes have a bearing on competing for a conference championship, so yes, when Iowa is good, they do mean more. You could use your balls to count the number of times a conference game has had more bearing on a season for ISU than the Iowa game. Like I said earlier. ISU is doing nothing more than trying to qualify for a bowl. No game means anymore than any other. The only difference in meaning is emotional.

Emotionally, any Iowa fan claiming those games mean more is either lying, or lives in Maryland/Indiana.

 

[CyCity]

Yes, you can throw stuff at the wall. That is abundantly clear.

But you still haven't offered any thing of substance in the way of a convincing argument or rebuttal.

Like you've offered any thing of substance in your argument that Iowa is the most important game for ISU fans. You're just throwing stuff at the wall

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I don't think I know any Iowa fans that don't consider the ISU game as the most important game. I know a bunch. I think Iowa fans telling you it is not the most important game to them, are often not being untruthful. I guess only they know.

I feel like many ISU fans do. I am always relieved when it's over. It's like a trip to the dentist. Even when it's painful, at least it's over

Ahh, I see...so you're going to revert to a game of--

Absolutely lame. Again, when you can offer something of substance let me know.

 

[CyCity]

Ahh, I see...so you're going to revert to a game of--

Absolutely lame. Again, when you can offer something of substance let me know.

When you can offer something of substance let me know too. You're usually a better poster than this, or at least you seem more reasonable on the basketball board

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Like you've offered any thing of substance in your argument that Iowa is the most important game for ISU fans. You're just throwing stuff at the wall

You can believe what you want CyCity. But the simple fact remains you have not directly answered or tried to offer a rebuttal for any of the points I have raised. Childish playground retorts do not constitute logic or reason, in case you were confused on that.

Honestly, I used to enjoy discussions with you, but lately you seem to have swallowed a handful of stupid pills. Which means we are now down to LoneClone as being the sole Cyclone "guest" who can actually provide intelligent commentary and opinions.

Come back when you are no longer stuck on stupid. Thanks. Otherwise, I will just view you as another mindless troll with nothing better to do but inundate these threads with insanely idiotic drivel for your own amusement. To each his own. Peace.

 

[CyCity]

You can believe what you want CyCity. But the simple fact remains you have not directly answered or tried to offer a rebuttal for any of the points I have raised. Childish playground retorts do not constitute logic or reason, in case you were confused on that.

Honestly, I used to enjoy discussions with you, but lately you seem to have swallowed a handful of stupid pills. Which means we are now down to LoneClone as being the sole Cyclone "guest" who can actually provide intelligent commentary and opinions.

Come back when you are no longer stuck on stupid. Thanks. Otherwise, I will just view you as another mindless troll with nothing better to do but inundate these threads with insanely idiotic drivel for your own amusement. To each his own. Peace.

I said I don't think the game is the most important game for either fan base. There is no way to prove or measure how much a fan base cares about a game so there's nothing to rebuttal. You say I seem to have swallowed stupid pills because I'm saying same thing you and others are saying but just switching it to Iowa instead of ISU.

 

[ichawk24]

I've seen many mentions of the Seneca Wallace run as the greatest moment in ISU history.

The run helped beat Texas Tech, raising ISU to 6-1.

They went 1-6 to close the season at 7-7.

The greatest moment in Iowa State football history. Disintegrating to 7-7.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I said I don't think the game is the most important game for either fan base. There is no way to prove or measure how much a fan base cares about a game so there's nothing to rebuttal. You say I seem to have swallowed stupid pills because I'm saying same thing you and others are saying but just switching it to Iowa instead of ISU.

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. You are correct. There is really no way to quantify or statistically measure fan base attitudes (unless someone has conducted a poll or survey I'm unaware of). So, by and large, we are basing our arguments off of experience and anecdotal information. So far, fair enough?

Okay, then with that said, let's consider the points I raised:

1. I never directly stated that the Iowa game was the most important game for Iowa State fans (I made a joke about how ISU fans viewed wins against Nebraska in 09, OSU in 11, and any Iowa win, but I never said Iowa was the most important). What I did share is what my experiences have been. Nothing less. Nothing more.

2. You asked me if I knew any Iowa State fans who considered 2014 a successful season, which is how this whole discussion started in the first place. I answered you honestly and directly. You may have friends or people you know who talk about Iowa State football seasons (in recent memory) in a positive light, but I do not. And that's what I stated. The only positive things Iowa State fans whom I know say about Iowa State football is when Iowa State has had a big upset over a ranked opponent. Or when they have beaten Iowa. I also shared that many Iowa State fans I know will make the comment, "Well, at least we beat Iowa this year" in reference to when Iowa State has had another 2 or 3 win season but managed to beat Iowa. I also shared my experience encountering the ISU student with "Bleep the Hawks" painted on his bare chest at a game in late October. So either you are calling me a liar and stating I did not have those experiences, or you are trying to offer a rebuttal by laying siege of a vacant castle. In other words, arguing against points I never raised, which in all likelihood, is probably more of the case than the former.

3. If you want my honest opinion, I do think Iowa State fans place a lot of importance on beating Iowa--and understandably so. Traditionally, Iowa State has played second fiddle in this state to the Hawkeyes, so beating Iowa is a pretty big deal to Cyclone fans. Conversely, Iowa fans in general believe Iowa football is a much better brand name and a much better football program than Iowa State, which are both likely true. Considering Iowa State has had a fair amount of success head-to-head against Iowa, and the fact they are an intrastate rival, makes beating Iowa State of more relevant interest than say the Hayden Fry years when a win over Iowa State was pretty much a foregone conclusion. So yes, I do think Iowa fans value beating Iowa State as much as Iowa State values beating Iowa, but for much different reasons. However, that question was never directly raised in our little exchange.

Is there anything I missed?

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Haven't read beyond this post so my comment might duplicate another, but your statement about downtown Denver employees, almost all, wearing CU/CSU colors the day of the game couldn't be further from the truth. I worked in downtown Denver from 2002-2010 and get back down there every once in a while since, and college football barely resonates in the city. Mile High Stadium is half full, CU has been down for quite some time and half the city seems to be transplants(myself included, from 2000), so this game really doesn't mean a great deal to the area.

The game should be played and it is relevant to a degree, but college football is way down the list on relevant items in downtown Denver( outside the sports column and a few other sports bars that act as gathering spots for out of state college football teams). From the Broncos to Avalanche, skiing, hiking, etc., college football doesn't have much of a presence in this state. At least that is my interpretation.

Sorry but you're 100% wrong. I couldn't believe how many workers were supporting one team or the other.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

And what would have happened if Iowa, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida St., and Oregon are all undefeated one year? Or if there are 4 one loss teams vying for 3 spots? Iowa's SOS was bad last year and will be bad again this year, there's a good chance they would be left out in that scenario.

You're looking at things in a vacuum. Yes, it would be amazing and make things way easier if Iowa just won all their games every year but while I would be elated if it happened, we all know it's likely not. So yes, SOS still matters very much for Iowa fans.

You're 100% wrong again! I'll save you the drama. If those 5 teams are undefeated, regardless of who they played, Iowa will be left out.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Meanwhile on the Iowa-Notre Dame front.......





Irish fans do not want this game. Well, younger Irish fans anyway....

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Meanwhile on the Iowa-Notre Dame front.......





Irish fans do not want this game. Well, younger Irish fans anyway....

Hell no they don't want this game. They know Iowa would be a bad matchup for ND. May not curb stomp like OSU but we'd beat them like most every B1G team has.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Sorry but you're 100% wrong. I couldn't believe how many workers were supporting one team or the other.

No one in Denver gives a shit about that game.

 

[CyCity]

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. You are correct. There is really no way to quantify or statistically measure fan base attitudes (unless someone has conducted a poll or survey I'm unaware of). So, by and large, we are basing our arguments off of experience and anecdotal information. So far, fair enough?

Okay, then with that said, let's consider the points I raised:

1. I never directly stated that the Iowa game was the most important game for Iowa State fans (I made a joke about how ISU fans viewed wins against Nebraska in 09, OSU in 11, and any Iowa win, but I never said Iowa was the most important). What I did share is what my experiences have been. Nothing less. Nothing more.

2. You asked me if I knew any Iowa State fans who considered 2014 a successful season, which is how this whole discussion started in the first place. I answered you honestly and directly. You may have friends or people you know who talk about Iowa State football seasons (in recent memory) in a positive light, but I do not. And that's what I stated. The only positive things Iowa State fans whom I know say about Iowa State football is when Iowa State has had a big upset over a ranked opponent. Or when they have beaten Iowa. I also shared that many Iowa State fans I know will make the comment, "Well, at least we beat Iowa this year" in reference to when Iowa State has had another 2 or 3 win season but managed to beat Iowa. I also shared my experience encountering the ISU student with "Bleep the Hawks" painted on his bare chest at a game in late October. So either you are calling me a liar and stating I did not have those experiences, or you are trying to offer a rebuttal by laying siege of a vacant castle. In other words, arguing against points I never raised, which in all likelihood, is probably more of the case than the former.

3. If you want my honest opinion, I do think Iowa State fans place a lot of importance on beating Iowa--and understandably so. Traditionally, Iowa State has played second fiddle in this state to the Hawkeyes, so beating Iowa is a pretty big deal to Cyclone fans. Conversely, Iowa fans in general believe Iowa football is a much better brand name and a much better football program than Iowa State, which are both likely true. Considering Iowa State has had a fair amount of success head-to-head against Iowa, and the fact they are an intrastate rival, makes beating Iowa State of more relevant interest than say the Hayden Fry years when a win over Iowa State was pretty much a foregone conclusion. So yes, I do think Iowa fans value beating Iowa State as much as Iowa State values beating Iowa, but for much different reasons. However, that question was never directly raised in our little exchange.

Is there anything I missed?

I agree with a lot of this. I just think the whole "Super Bowl" argument or trying to say Iowa State fans think Iowa is the biggest opponent on their schedule is silly. It's not 1998 anymore and most of the time Iowa isn't even one of the best opponents on our schedule.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Meanwhile on the Iowa-Notre Dame front.......





Irish fans do not want this game. Well, younger Irish fans anyway....

Yeah, I know, I get sucked into stupid arguments with Iowa State fans and should know better by now.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Hey Dbag how about you try and contribute something the rest of us can use. Something that is actually meaningful instead of 1 liners? Telling the population on this board that they are wrong, off base, misguided, and off kilter. Huh, how bout it you dickless pinhead troll?
One thing is for sure your a troll.

You must still be mad about getting called out on the things you made up about lattimore. Also, it is you're a troll, not your. You are. You're. Simple 3rd grade English right there.

 

[madmax1191]

Now the spellchecker police too? Yawn....

 

[SoDakHawk]

Under Rhoads I wouldn't say any of his biggest wins were against Iowa. To most ISU fans every conference game means more than the Iowa game. Same way with Iowa fans

OMG, simply not true. I know and work with many ISU fans and have some of their grads in my immediate family. There are two times a season you hear from them, if they beat Iowa, and if they go to a bowl game. I heard nothing from them last year.

Admittedly, when ISU was going to the Pinstripe or to Memphis I was legit happy for them and their fans because my ISU friends had such a great time going to those bowls and came back with stories about all the fun they had. I was happy for them. That's actually why I think the two schools should not play anymore. It would be better for both of us to go our separate ways and live separate lives where we can cheer for each other from a distance.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

OMG, simply not true. I know and work with many ISU fans and have some of their grads in my immediate family. There are two times a season you hear from them, if they beat Iowa, and if they go to a bowl game. I heard nothing from them last year.

Admittedly, when ISU was going to the Pinstripe or to Memphis I was legit happy for them and their fans because my ISU friends had such a great time going to those bowls and came back with stories about all the fun they had. I was happy for them. That's actually why I think the two schools should not play anymore. It would be better for both of us to go our separate ways and live separate lives where we can cheer for each other from a distance.

Yep, this is true, but you will never convince him/her of this reality. The vast majority of Iowa State fans care about beating Iowa before they care about beating anyone else.

 

[HawkeyeGold]

Would much much rather watch us play ISU than ND. ISU game has way more meaning than a game with ND.

Are you sure about that?

 

[CyCity]

Yep, this is true, but you will never convince him/her of this reality. The vast majority of Iowa State fans care about beating Iowa before they care about beating anyone else.

The vast majority of Iowa fans care about beating ISU (for different reasons of course) more than they care about beating anyone else. I'm a male for what it's worth

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The vast majority of Iowa fans care about beating ISU (for different reasons of course) more than they care about beating anyone else. I'm a male for what it's worth

I think what you mean by "different reasons" is that we care about not losing to Iowa State so you can go on to show us how bad of a loss it was by going 3-9 with losses to really bad teams along with the other tough teams in the Big 12...................................just sayin.

And it's still not and never will be to the extent that ISU fans care about beating Iowa. Other victories on the season are surprise bonuses (2011 Oklahoma State), to help better illustrate that for you and others.

Now with that being said.............................................................where should Iowa play Notre Dame if they schedule a neutral site game?

Apparently, Irish fans don't want Chicago even though that seems like the most viable choice.

 

[iclone]

The vast majority of Iowa fans care about beating ISU (for different reasons of course) more than they care about beating anyone else. I'm a male for what it's worth

Whatever. (Ignore what Bob Sanders says about the ISU game in this video.)

 

[CyCity]

I think what you mean by "different reasons" is that we care about not losing to Iowa State so you can go on to show us how bad of a loss it was by going 3-9 with losses to really bad teams along with the other tough teams in the Big 12...................................just sayin.

And it's still not and never will be to the extent that ISU fans care about beating Iowa. Other victories on the season are surprise bonuses (2011 Oklahoma State), to help better illustrate that for you and others.

Now with that being said.............................................................where should Iowa play Notre Dame if they schedule a neutral site game?

Apparently, Irish fans don't want Chicago even though that seems like the most viable choice.

I think Iowa fans care about beating ISU just as much as ISU fans care about beating Iowa

 

[CyCity]

Whatever. (Ignore what Bob Sanders says about the ISU game in this video.)

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What did he say?

 

[iclone]

What did he say?

"Worst feeling he's ever had" at around the 3:40 and 6:00 minute mark.

 

[CyCity]

"Worst feeling he's ever had" at around the 3:40 and 6:00 minute mark.

Yeah. Combine that with DJK saying they play their best against Iowa State and I think it's safe to put this "Super Bowl" myth to bed

 

[J_Heater]

Now with that being said.............................................................where should Iowa play Notre Dame if they schedule a neutral site game?

Apparently, Irish fans don't want Chicago even though that seems like the most viable choice.

If I was a betting man I am guessing Lucas Oil Field would be a good neutral site to Notre Dame. There or South Bend with one end zone painted for Iowa just to be fair.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Yeah. Combine that with DJK saying they play their best against Iowa State and I think it's safe to put this "Super Bowl" myth to bed

Well that settles it then. If DJK said it then it's the gospel truth.

 

[5Fan5]

Yeah. Combine that with DJK saying they play their best against Iowa State and I think it's safe to put this "Super Bowl" myth to bed

Can you or one of your isu friends that spend ever so much time on HR show me where (anywhere) it is that isu fans inundate another opponent's message boards as is evident here?

Again, who is isu's football rival? Kansas? Nope. K-State? Not a chance. One of the Oklahoma or Texas programs? Now that's hilarious. That leaves mighty West Virginia and explains fully how it is that isu and WV are matched up in the premier final game of the regular season!

You and your ilk would be lost without the Iowa Hawkeyes. That is a given each and every time one of you comes here with the never ending drivel. Win the game September 10th and we will not hear the end of it for months. Just as it has been seemingly forever - including 2004. And should isu follow script and tank the remainder of the upcoming season... well, at least they beat Iowa.

Quit wasting time here and get very focused on lobbying the decision makers in Ames to honor your wish of discontinuing the game.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

The vast majority of Iowa fans care about beating ISU (for different reasons of course) more than they care about beating anyone else. I'm a male for what it's worth

Why do you keep parroting what other posters write? It's incredibly annoying and doesn't solidify or add to your case any.

Iowa fans care about the Iowa State game for the simple fact Iowa State is the intrastate rival we don't want the embarrassment of losing to. It's just that simple. There is no visceral feeling of glee or triumph when Iowa beats Iowa State in football. It is 100% relief and that's it. This shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp.

I don't assume gender on an anonymous message board. But thank you for letting me know, sir.

 

[CyCity]

Why do you keep parroting what other posters write? It's incredibly annoying and doesn't solidify or add to your case any.

Iowa fans care about the Iowa State game for the simple fact Iowa State is the intrastate rival we don't want the embarrassment of losing to. It's just that simple. There is no visceral feeling of glee or triumph when Iowa beats Iowa State in football. It is 100% relief and that's it. This shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp.

I don't assume gender on an anonymous message board. But thank you for letting me know, sir.

If it's the biggest game for ISU it's the biggest game for Iowa. I don't think that's being annoying just because someone else said it first

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Can you or one of your isu friends that spend ever so much time on HR show me where (anywhere) it is that isu fans inundate another opponent's message boards as is evident here?

Again, who is isu's football rival? Kansas? Nope. K-State? Not a chance. One of the Oklahoma or Texas programs? Now that's hilarious. That leaves mighty West Virginia and explains fully how it is that isu and WV are matched up in the premier final game of the regular season!

You and your ilk would be lost without the Iowa Hawkeyes. That is a given each and every time one of you comes here with the never ending drivel. Win the game September 10th and we will not hear the end of it for months. Just as it has been seemingly forever - including 2004. And should isu follow script and tank the remainder of the upcoming season... well, at least they beat Iowa.

Quit wasting time here and get very focused on lobbying the decision makers in Ames to honor your wish of discontinuing the game.

This is very well articulated. And incontrovertible. Iowa has what...three other trophy games besides the CyHawk trophy? How many does Iowa State have?

But I'm sure more redundant and idiotic rebuttals are sure to follow suit.

 

[5Fan5]

If it's the biggest game for ISU it's the biggest game for Iowa. I don't think that's being annoying just because someone else said it first

No, once again you are so wrong.

Otherwise, it should be easy to show us all of the games in Jack Trice that surpass Iowa as the opponent when record attendance(s) have been announced. List the top ten attended football games and tell us all how many times Iowa appears on said list.

 

[C/Seahawk]

Sorry but you're 100% wrong. I couldn't believe how many workers were supporting one team or the other.

look, i don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm an Iowa fan living in Colorado and have been for 16 years, 8 of which worked downtown. Actually, the games were quite entertaining back when Sunny Lubick was their coach and Van Pelt played for CSU, but generally speaking the game really isn't relevant beyond the two fan bases. I know what I saw and continue to see...the CSU/CU game barely resonates, especially since CU has been a dumpster fire for the better part of the past decade. I rarely see folks wearing CU gear in Denver, in Grand County where I live, etc. You are grossly exaggerating the amount of fan spirit displayed in downtown Denver leading up to this game. Like I said initially, I would venture to guess the majority of 'fans' in downtown Denver support teams from the state they grew up in, whether is Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Kansas, Texas, etc. The city is full of transplants and college football is way down on the list of priorities...again you have the Broncos, Avs, hiking, fishing, biking, etc.

As for the topic of this thread, I would be against Iowa scheduling a game against ND. Its easy for me to say that as I'm not responsible for the budget or revenue generated by the University. I don't think any B1G team should play ND, their arrogant stance regarding conference affiliation is just the beginning. I say no to playing the Fainting Irish.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

If it's the biggest game for ISU it's the biggest game for Iowa.

Uh huh. Sure. Circular reason at its finest there. By that logic, Middle Tennessee was Alabama's biggest game last year, as I'm sure Bama was the biggest game for the Blue Raiders.

Look, nothing personal, but I got to stop getting sucked into stupid bantering with you. I'm beginning to think you get your jollies off of posing dumb ass logic then watching others unwittingly take the bait.

In your head, you want Iowa fans to care more about Iowa State football beyond just not wanting the embarrassment of losing. But unfortunately, bud, as we have tried to explain to you time and time again, that is all the Iowa State game is to us. Certainly you're welcome to entertain any fairy tale scenario you want, but you would probably be better served doing it elsewhere.

No offense, but this is my last response to you. You can parrot and throw random asinine shit at the wall all you want, but I'm afraid nothing is going to stick. Good day to you, sir.

 

[CyCity]

Uh huh. Sure. Circular reason at its finest there. By that logic, Middle Tennessee was Alabama's biggest game last year, as I'm sure Bama was the biggest game for the Blue Raiders.

Look, nothing personal, but I got to stop getting sucked into stupid bantering with you. I'm beginning to think you get your jollies off of posing dumb ass logic then watching others unwittingly take the bait.

In your head, you want Iowa fans to care more about Iowa State football beyond just not wanting the embarrassment of losing. But unfortunately, bud, as we have tried to explain to you time and time again, that is all the Iowa State game is to us. Certainly you're welcome to entertain any fairy tale scenario you want, but you would probably be better served doing it elsewhere.

No offense, but this is my last response to you. You can parrot and throw random asinine shit at the wall all you want, but I'm afraid nothing is going to stick. Good day to you, sir.

This is pretty funny because Iowa fans put in their head that ISU treats the game as their "Super Bowl" because they get to play the mighty Hawkeyes.