Rumors of Iowa vs. Notre Dame

[5Fan5]

This is pretty funny because Iowa fans put in their head that ISU treats the game as their "Super Bowl" because they get to play the mighty Hawkeyes.

That and their fans just cannot ever let it go.

To wit: You here and now posting over and over and over about it.

(Have you called the powers to be in Ames yet? Where is that list of top attended games at Jack Trice? Got a program that you can identify as a genuine football rival for that cyclone team?)

 

[iclone]

No, once again you are so wrong.

Otherwise, it should be easy to show us all of the games in Jack Trice that surpass Iowa as the opponent when record attendance(s) have been announced. List the top ten attended football games and tell us all how many times Iowa appears on said list.

3 out of 10.

Largest Home Crowds
1. 61,500 vs. Iowa, 2015
61,500 vs. Northern Iowa, 2015
3. 56,800 vs. Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Northern Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Oklahoma State, 2013
56,800 vs. Kansas State, 2012
7. 56,795 vs. Northern Iowa, 2007
8. 56,585 vs. Oklahoma, 2012
9. 56,390 vs. Texas, 2011
10. 56,085 vs. Iowa, 2011

 

[CyCity]

That and their fans just cannot ever let it go.

To wit: You here and now posting over and over and over about it.

(Have you called the powers to be in Ames yet? Where is that list of top attended games at Jack Trice? Got a program that you can identify as a genuine football rival for that cyclone team?)

Doesn't ISU account for 2 of the last 3 sellouts in Kinnick?

 

[CyCity]

3 out of 10.

Largest Home Crowds
1. 61,500 vs. Iowa, 2015
61,500 vs. Northern Iowa, 2015
3. 56,800 vs. Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Northern Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Oklahoma State, 2013
56,800 vs. Kansas State, 2012
7. 56,795 vs. Northern Iowa, 2007
8. 56,585 vs. Oklahoma, 2012
9. 56,390 vs. Texas, 2011
10. 56,085 vs. Iowa, 2011

UNI is our Super Bowl!

 

[5Fan5]

3 out of 10.

Largest Home Crowds
1. 61,500 vs. Iowa, 2015
61,500 vs. Northern Iowa, 2015
3. 56,800 vs. Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Northern Iowa, 2013
56,800 vs. Oklahoma State, 2013
56,800 vs. Kansas State, 2012
7. 56,795 vs. Northern Iowa, 2007
8. 56,585 vs. Oklahoma, 2012
9. 56,390 vs. Texas, 2011
10. 56,085 vs. Iowa, 2011

Are you stating that Iowa accounts for one of only two sell outs for the newly expanded and ever so great Jack Trice Stadium?

And that Iowa accounts for two of the top three all-time attended games in what is now over a forty year history of Jack Trice Stadium?

Cannot help but note that non-big 8/big xii teams make up over half of the entries on your list. How can that be seeing that isu values its conference games so greatly?

I wonder how many games (sans UNI) will be sold out in Ames this fall? Surely with this new coach and all the excitement fans will be there in record setting numbers for each of the other six home games...

 

[iclone]

Are you stating that Iowa accounts for one of only two sell outs for the newly expanded and ever so great Jack Trice Stadium?

And that Iowa accounts for two of the top three all-time attended games in what is now over a forty year history of Jack Trice Stadium?

Cannot help but note that non-big 8/big xii teams make up over half of the entries on your list. How can that be seeing that isu values its conference games so greatly?

I wonder how many games (sans UNI) will be sold out in Ames this fall? Surely with this new coach and all the excitement fans will be there in record setting numbers for each of the other six home games...

No, I think what is obvious is that the UNI game is just as important a game as AIB-Iowa City Campus in the eyes of ISU fans.

 

[5Fan5]

Doesn't ISU account for 2 of the last 3 sellouts in Kinnick?

By last count, Iowa had sold out Kinnick approximately 46 times since its last expansion. That includes games against nine other Big Ten teams as well as several non-conference opponents.

There is nothing at all unique or special about playing isu before a sold out venue in Iowa City.

 

[5Fan5]

No, I think what is obvious is that the UNI game is just as important a game as AIB-Iowa City Campus in the eyes of ISU fans.

Woosh......

Why does this phenomena occur only or as frequently as when Iowa and/or UNI are the opponents? With how isu fans admire their team and all of those ever so great programs from the big xii, it should be no problem at all to find 61,500 with nothing better to do than support the cyclones.

Where are those fans?

 

[CyCity]

By last count, Iowa had sold out Kinnick approximately 46 times since its last expansion. That includes games against nine other Big Ten teams as well as several non-conference opponents.

There is nothing at all unique or special about playing isu before a sold out venue in Iowa City.

That didn't answer my question.

Iowa's last 3 sellouts were ISU 2012, ISU 2014 and Minnesota 2015 correct?

 

[KuwaitHawk]

Woosh......

Why does this phenomena occur only or as frequently as when Iowa and/or UNI are the opponents? With how isu fans admire their team and all of those ever so great programs from the big xii, it should be no problem at all to find 61,500 with nothing better to do than support the cyclones.

Where are those fans?

They have to find the stadium first.

 

[5Fan5]

That didn't answer my question.

Iowa's last 3 sellouts were ISU 2012, ISU 2014 and Minnesota 2015 correct?

I do not march to any beat or demand that you might make. The fact of this inane banter between you and I is that Iowa has more history, tradition, prestige, recognition and fame than isu.

Thus the larger venue, the much greater fan support, the vastly greater number of sold out football games... the list goes on from there.

Your indefensible contention is that isu is 'as good' and/or 'as important' as Iowa when it comes to football. Numbers do not lie and the numbers speak quite a different conclusion. Without Iowa, isu is left with UNI and maybe an occasional big xii game where they will bring in enough fans to claim Trice to be sold out. Not the case at all for Iowa.

So, now that we have worked through all of the minutia, think about this for a second. Is it more financially sound for isu to continue the Iowa series home and away or is it not? Because, I am very confident in saying that Iowa will somehow manage to survive. At one time not all that long ago, Iowa had a streak of 36 consecutive sold out football games and guess what, not all or even a majority of them involved isu.

Let's let this fall come and go and then revisit the issue if you care to then. One team, with a new, dynamic coach and all that the supposedly superior big xii has to offer while the other is lowly Iowa with only the hope of selling out the isu game according to some. Keep your eyes open... you just might learn something.

 

[CyCity]

I do not march to any beat or demand that you might make. The fact of this inane banter between you and I is that Iowa has more history, tradition, prestige, recognition and fame than isu.

Thus the larger venue, the much greater fan support, the vastly greater number of sold out football games... the list goes on from there.

Your indefensible contention is that isu is 'as good' and/or 'as important' as Iowa when it comes to football. Numbers do not lie and the numbers speak quite a different conclusion. Without Iowa, isu is left with UNI and maybe an occasional big xii game where they will bring in enough fans to claim Trice to be sold out. Not the case at all for Iowa.

So, now that we have worked through all of the minutia, think about this for a second. Is it more financially sound for isu to continue the Iowa series home and away or is it not? Because, I am very confident in saying that Iowa will somehow manage to survive. At one time not all that long ago, Iowa had a streak of 36 consecutive sold out football games and guess what, not all or even a majority of them involved isu.

Let's let this fall come and go and then revisit the issue if you care to then. One team, with a new, dynamic coach and all that the supposedly superior big xii has to offer while the other is lowly Iowa with only the hope of selling out the isu game according to some. Keep your eyes open... you just might learn something.

Iowa and Iowa State both benefit from the series in attendance and both would survive just fine if the series went away

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I do not march to any beat or demand that you might make. The fact of this inane banter between you and I is that Iowa has more history, tradition, prestige, recognition and fame than isu.

Thus the larger venue, the much greater fan support, the vastly greater number of sold out football games... the list goes on from there.

Your indefensible contention is that isu is 'as good' and/or 'as important' as Iowa when it comes to football. Numbers do not lie and the numbers speak quite a different conclusion. Without Iowa, isu is left with UNI and maybe an occasional big xii game where they will bring in enough fans to claim Trice to be sold out. Not the case at all for Iowa.

So, now that we have worked through all of the minutia, think about this for a second. Is it more financially sound for isu to continue the Iowa series home and away or is it not? Because, I am very confident in saying that Iowa will somehow manage to survive. At one time not all that long ago, Iowa had a streak of 36 consecutive sold out football games and guess what, not all or even a majority of them involved isu.

Let's let this fall come and go and then revisit the issue if you care to then. One team, with a new, dynamic coach and all that the supposedly superior big xii has to offer while the other is lowly Iowa with only the hope of selling out the isu game according to some. Keep your eyes open... you just might learn something.

They just can't let it go. They are grasping at straws trying to prove a case that is still a mystery to me as far as whatever one they are trying to make is concerned. And I don't know when and why stadium sellouts became relevant or germane to this "discussion." Perhaps someone brought it up earlier, I don't know, but the simple fact remains a variety of factors influence game attendance. Last year, the Minnesota game was the only sellout of the year at Kinnick. Does that mean Iowa fans care more about Minnesota than any other team in the conference? I doubt it.

This is simple. Iowa State has one and only one rival in football: Iowa. Iowa has several. As we have explained time and time again, Iowa fans by and large view the Iowa State game in terms of not wanting to lose it for the purpose of saving face. There is no other meaning beyond that. That does not mean that Iowa fans are claiming Iowa is the cream of the crop in college football. It means they do not view Iowa State football as anything more than a pesky, annoying pest with no other purpose in college football beyond playing the role of perennial cellar dweller in the Big XII.

Cyclone fans can throw all the shit they want at the wall in the form of irrelevant arguments and spurious relationships, and it will still not prove what they are hoping it will: that Iowa fans have a deep-seated crush on the Iowa State football team, and that a Hawkeye win over them is equally gratifying to us as an Iowa State win is to them.

Of course, they will come back with the whole "Iowa isn't even the toughest opponent on our schedule" narrative, which in their peevish minds somehow serves the purpose of being a mitigating factor in why they aren't as obsessed with Iowa as Iowa fans like to think they are. It's quite a compelling argument, clearly, yet, the question still stands is there any other fan board in the country they flock to in droves for the purpose of showing just how indifferent they are to Iowa more than this one? Is there any other team board where you will find more Cyclone fans eager to discuss just how "not so good" your team really is or just how overrated they are?

In the words of Mr. Woodcock, "Rhetorical, Farley."

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Iowa and Iowa State both benefit from the series in attendance and both would survive just fine if the series went away

That's the smartest thing you've written in two days of work.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

That didn't answer my question.

Iowa's last 3 sellouts were ISU 2012, ISU 2014 and Minnesota 2015 correct?

I can't confirm whether those were the last sellouts or not (well, Minnesota I can), but what I can tell you is the ISU sellouts only prove 1) just how indifferent or unhappy Iowa fans were becoming with Iowa football in that time frame and 2) there were a lot people in the state of Iowa who went to see Iowa State play Iowa.

It means nothing else. And yes, the same is true of Jack Trice sellouts vs. Iowa, UNI, or whomever.

 

[Birky]

They just can't let it go. They are grasping at straws trying to prove a case that is still a mystery to me as far as whatever one they are trying to make is concerned. And I don't know when and why stadium sellouts became relevant or germane to this "discussion." Perhaps someone brought it up earlier, I don't know, but the simple fact remains a variety of factors influence game attendance. Last year, the Minnesota game was the only sellout of the year at Kinnick. Does that mean Iowa fans care more about Minnesota than any other team in the conference? I doubt it.

This is simple. Iowa State has one and only one rival in football: Iowa. Iowa has several. As we have explained time and time again, Iowa fans by and large view the Iowa State game in terms of not wanting to lose it for the purpose of saving face. There is no other meaning beyond that. That does not mean that Iowa fans are claiming Iowa is the cream of the crop in college football. It means they do not view Iowa State football as anything more than a pesky, annoying pest with no other purpose in college football beyond playing the role of perennial cellar dweller in the Big XII.

Cyclone fans can throw all the shit they want at the wall in the form of irrelevant arguments and spurious relationships, and it will still not prove what they are hoping it will: that Iowa fans have a deep-seated crush on the Iowa State football team, and that a Hawkeye win over them is equally gratifying to us as an Iowa State win is to them.

Of course, they will come back with the whole "Iowa isn't even the toughest opponent on our schedule" narrative, which in their peevish minds somehow serves the purpose of being a mitigating factor in why they aren't as obsessed with Iowa as Iowa fans like to think they are. It's quite a compelling argument, clearly, yet, the question still stands is there any other fan board in the country they flock to in droves for the purpose of showing just how indifferent they are to Iowa more than this one? Is there any other team board where you will find more Cyclone fans eager to discuss just how "not so good" your team really is or just how overrated they are?

In the words of Mr. Woodcock, "Rhetorical, Farley."

I'm not sure how a hole could be punched in this.

EZ, if I had a more highly functioning brain, I would have posted what you just did. Well done.

 

[markfromj]

UNI is our Super Bowl!

You are the Vikings? Bills?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I think Iowa fans care about beating ISU just as much as ISU fans care about beating Iowa

Iowa State fans disagree.

 

[hawkcub]

Whenever ISU fans scream as loud as they can how the Iowa game is just another game to them. I just think the lady doth protest to much.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Doesn't ISU account for 2 of the last 3 sellouts in Kinnick?

Isu fans gloating about kinnick attendance is like Iowa fans giving Michigan fans a shot for not filling out their bigger stadium. Fact is minus 2-3 games Iowa has had 61,500+ (Isu max) last decade and isu in new revamped stadium got it sold out for 2 in state schools. With your top 10 games shows besides Iowa schools isu had least 5,000 or more empty seats for every other game last year. With their fancy new end zone half full during 2nd half of Iowa game because everyone there would rather drink. Next year isu and Michigan sold out already and Wisconsin ndsu close to it already at kinnick but you want to rip on Iowa's attendance

But hey as you said earlier isu fans would rather beat a big 12 school than Iowa. Funny Kansas game far from a sell out last year early in the season but I expect the Texas tech and wvu games to be next year because their fans care more about those games as cycity said earlier.

 

[CyCity]

Isu fans gloating about kinnick attendance is like Iowa fans giving Michigan fans a shot for not filling out their bigger stadium. Fact is minus 2-3 games Iowa has had 61,500+ (Isu max) last decade and isu in new revamped stadium got it sold out for 2 in state schools. With your top 10 games shows besides Iowa schools isu had least 5,000 or more empty seats for every other game last year. With their fancy new end zone half full during 2nd half of Iowa game because everyone there would rather drink. Next year isu and Michigan sold out already and Wisconsin ndsu close to it already at kinnick but you want to rip on Iowa's attendance

But hey as you said earlier isu fans would rather beat a big 12 school than Iowa. Funny Kansas game far from a sell out last year early in the season but I expect the Texas tech and wvu games to be next year because their fans care more about those games as cycity said earlier.

I expect all Big 10 games will sell out this year since Iowa fans care more about those games than the sold out ISU game. See how stupid it it to use attendance to determine how much a fan base cares?

 

[ferentzin04]

Sooooo, are we going to be playing Notre Dame?

Oh, Iowa State fans highjacked the thread to let us know how important they are? Figures. Carry on.

 

[hawkssox1]

Most of this board was PO'd when MSU started falling down faking injuries against Iowa. Those pikers have nothing on the Fainting Irish. As an Iowa fan I don't ever want to see Iowa play ND unless it is for the NC.

Yup real recently like 50+ years ago.Get real.

 

[soybean]

Just want to step in and say adding Notre Dame game does not mean end the Iowa state series forever. Especially in the context of a neutral site game. I just want to preempt a "drop isu/keep isu" thread. Can still have seven or eight or whatever home games with a neutral site game. Just have it be the year we have isu at home

Agreed - I'm sure we could drop Miami or North Dakota State for Notre Dame and still be OK.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Honestly the issue is this "need" to have 7 home games. Iowa makes enough money they don't "need" 7 home games every year, I think the program and school will survive if it's 7 home games every other year. Schedule a P5 opponent every year, some will be home and home, others will be a neutral site game. Every other big program can survive doing it, somehow I think Iowa would too.

Go ahead and keep Iowa St. on a home and home to keep the Clones and state happy. Schedule a neutral site game when Iowa is hosting, try to schedule a home and home to start @ Kinnick the following year when Iowa St. is hosting, and the year after that play @ the other P5 team when Iowa is hosting Iowa St. Yes, over simplified, but really shouldn't be that hard.

This.

Neutral site games are starting to really lay on the cash for "premier" games. Florida Citrus Sports just added one for Orlando, and they say B1G schools are all calling to get in on it. Couple million bucks, no payout to a visiting school, etc., are all advantages. The question becomes, "How does this affect the local economy?" Like it or not, a college football program's first priority is NOT how they affect the local economy. If they can't make good cash, the local economy won't "save" them.

Sure, it can hurt the local businesses when a game is off the table, or when there are no marquee games for a couple seasons (i.e., missing Michigan/O$U for several years) it can hurt. But a high-profile game where someone else does all the logistics and you don't have to travel "bowl-style" can't ever be a bad thing.

 

[hawkcub]

If Barta is at all worried how losing 1 game effects the local economy he might as well quit now. He wouldn't be doing his job. His job is what is best for the Iowa athletic department.

You probably don't want to do a 6-5-1 schedule every year but every so often it's not a bad thing.

As far as ND's stadium series this is their baby. So they are going to do what's best for ND. I'd tread lightly with any stadium series game. Would this be truly a nuetral site game or just a home game, just not in SB? Meaning would ND get most of the tix. If that's the case no thanks.

 

[Hans81]

CyCity just got owned in this thread, so don't expect to see him around here anytime soon

 

[CyCity]

CyCity just got owned in this thread, so don't expect to see him around here anytime soon

 

[HerkyFan]

No, I think what is obvious is that the UNI game is just as important a game as AIB-Iowa City Campus in the eyes of ISU fans.

If the UNI game is so important to isu grads then please post pictures of isu grads storming the field after the clowns win.

We will wait. Good luck.

 

[HerkyFan]

CyCity just got owned in this thread, so don't expect to see him around here anytime soon

Naw, isu grads love making themselves look like fools. For real kicks and giggles go look at the Iowa Football recruiting thread on cryclown fanantic in the in-state rivals forum.

Little bro syndrome runs deep for isu grads.

 

[HerkyFan]

Sooooo, are we going to be playing Notre Dame?

Oh, Iowa State fans highjacked the thread to let us know how important they are? Figures. Carry on.

The little bro syndrome of isu grads demands that they post here.

 

[ichawk24]

ISU had 53k for a night game against blue blood Texas last year, yet they're bragging about attendance? 52k for #3 TCU. 54k for #5 OkSU.

Good thing you expanded that stadium for the Iowa and UNI fans.

 

[CyCity]

ISU had 53k for a night game against blue blood Texas last year, yet they're bragging about attendance? 52k for #3 TCU. 54k for #5 OkSU.

Good thing you expanded that stadium for the Iowa and UNI fans.

I don't think anyone was bragging about attendance, I was just pointing out using attendance to determine how much a fan base cares about a game is just plain stupid

 

[5Fan5]

I don't think anyone was bragging about attendance, I was just pointing out using attendance to determine how much a fan base cares about a game is just plain stupid

Quite to the contrary, there have been plenty of examples from isu fans bragging about the attendance at Jack Trice. Are you now trying to convince others that has not happened here on HR?

Exactly what criteria would you choose to determine fan interest? Tweets? Instagram messages? The NCAA keeps track and reports attendance at football games. Leave it to a fan of a team that has struggled to ever consistently sell out its football schedule to now proclaim 'how stupid' it is to utilize attendance to measure fandom.

Cannot wait until next December when you and the other isu cronies will be all over here telling everyone how great the isu (basketball) fans are.

 

[CyCity]

Quite to the contrary, there have been plenty of examples from isu fans bragging about the attendance at Jack Trice. Are you now trying to convince others that has not happened here on HR?

Exactly what criteria would you choose to determine fan interest? Tweets? Instagram messages? The NCAA keeps track and reports attendance at football games. Leave it to a fan of a team that has struggled to ever consistently sell out its football schedule to now proclaim 'how stupid' it is to utilize attendance to measure fandom.

Cannot wait until next December when you and the other isu cronies will be all over here telling everyone how great the isu (basketball) fans are.

I don't brag about attendance but I really don't care if others do either, it's just not my thing. To use attendance to point out the importance of a game to the fans is really stupid and I'm sure almost everyone on here would agree.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I don't brag about attendance but I really don't care if others do either, it's just not my thing. To use attendance to point out the importance of a game to the fans is really stupid and I'm sure almost everyone on here would agree.

I'm not totally disagreeing on this but is funny cause as 5Fan5 said is true last year the few weeks leading up to the season all we heard about was clone fans bragging about attendance. How they will sell out all their games with new stadium expansion, their season ticket renewals, kinnick won't have as many fans, how they are so loyal etc. so yes I agree with you that all those clone fans on here last year talking about that were stupid.

Even better with all smack talk too last year About ISU attendance as already stated against Texas, #3 and #5 teams in nation couldn't crack 55K.

 

[CyCity]

I'm not totally disagreeing on this but is funny cause as 5Fan5 said is true last year the few weeks leading up to the season all we heard about was clone fans bragging about attendance. How they will sell out all their games with new stadium expansion, their season ticket renewals, kinnick won't have as many fans, how they are so loyal etc. so yes I agree with you that all those clone fans on here last year talking about that were stupid.

Even better with all smack talk too last year About ISU attendance as already stated against Texas, #3 and #5 teams in nation couldn't crack 55K.

ISU went 3-9 last year and most of the fan base wanted Rhoads fired, you expected them to sell out games? I think the number of season ticket renewals last year was pretty impressive considering the direction of the program but you're not going to sell much outside of that if you suck

 

[5Fan5]

I don't brag about attendance but I really don't care if others do either, it's just not my thing. To use attendance to point out the importance of a game to the fans is really stupid and I'm sure almost everyone on here would agree.

Sure you do... it just does not fit your current rant so now its convenient for you to say that you do not brag about attendance.

As for the use of attendance to point out the importance of a game, it has been one standard used widely by media, institutions, conferences and the like for decades. It was a topic of mention/discussion at the just recently held Big Ten luncheon and meetings in Chicago. Of course, unlike the mighty big xii, the Big Ten has something to be proud of when attendance is the subject matter.

Blanketing your unsubstantiated claim, I am at least equally certain that most on here would consider you way out in left field on the majority of issues discussed/debated.

 

[5Fan5]

ISU went 3-9 last year and most of the fan base wanted Rhoads fired, you expected them to sell out games? I think the number of season ticket renewals last year was pretty impressive considering the direction of the program but you're not going to sell much outside of that if you suck

Did fans know prior to the season that isu was going to be 3-9? If so, why did no one bother to inform Randy Peterson about that because I am pretty sure he predicted isu to be a bowl team in 2015.

What is so impressive about averaging mid-fifties in attendance when you have all these 'advantages' that we keep hearing/reading about. Record setting enrollments, big xii (Power 5) affiliation featuring round robin scheduling meaning each and every conference opponent is committed to appearing in Ames every other year, the new and expanded Jack Trice Stadium... what is not to like?

Or, are you saying that isu fans are not as great as you would like to think. Support only the really good teams (however that is determined prior to the first snap of the season when tickets are generally sold) and not care otherwise.

 

[CyCity]

Sure you do... it just does not fit your current rant so now its convenient for you to say that you do not brag about attendance.

As for the use of attendance to point out the importance of a game, it has been one standard used widely by media, institutions, conferences and the like for decades. It was a topic of mention/discussion at the just recently held Big Ten luncheon and meetings in Chicago. Of course, unlike the mighty big xii, the Big Ten has something to be proud of when attendance is the subject matter.

Blanketing your unsubstantiated claim, I am at least equally certain that most on here would consider you way out in left field on the majority of issues discussed/debated.

In 2014 Iowa State was the only sellout game for Iowa, does that mean it was the most important game of the entire season for Hawkeye fans?