Yes, that Olaf. Is there point here? He would not commit to killing NS2. Biden made him look like a schmuck in front of the world. The Olaf who told Zelensky to implement the Minsk Accords. The Olaf who would not allow UK weapons to be flown over Germany to Kiev. The Olaf who would not send anything more than helmets to Kiev. All of Europe capitals will become a battlefield for Russian hypersonics if they vote in the affirmative for Nato membership.
Russian Invasion YESTERDAY! - How Did It Go?
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Meaning??? Biden threatened to shut out German autos from the US market? Place tariffs? What exactly do you think you have here?
If true, this means the US mainstream media is allowing itself to be used as a tool of the American government & journalists are willing participants in an information war.
Who needs a formal state media apparatus when you can pull this off?
Who needs a formal state media apparatus when you can pull this off?
In a much-quoted article, written for the Financial Times and then rejected for unclear reasons, Professor Sergey Karaganov, a man said to be near the Kremlin, talks of a “wider Greater Asian framework”. Inside it, “Russia needs a safe and friendly Western flank in the future world competition. Europe without Russia or even against it has been rapidly losing its international positions”.
More hospitals are good. We should be applauding.
Oh wait, why do they want hospitals there?
To be fair, this constant stroking wouldn't be necessary if NATO were as united as we want them to be.
I find myself wondering to what extent Brexit is making it hard for the US to get everyone on board. With the UK out of the EU, it's easier for the EU to focus on what's best for the European continent, and not so much on what's good for the UK and the US?
Is that why Putin backed Brexit?
Sorry if that's common knowledge, but I didn't think of it at the time Brexit was being debated.
I don't think anyone disagrees with taking more action if Russia actually does invade.
Germany, however, doesn't want to lose the direct pipeline. In fact, I imagine they'd be happy to become a new alternative distribution point, and collect the billions that Ukraine normally gets from Russia for that service.
If true, this could get interesting.
I'm glad I don't drive much, because I won't be too bothered when gasoline prices double. And winter is almost over, so gas for heat can skyrocket (and it will) without causing too much pain.
Yep, that's me trying to think like a Republican by focusing only on how it affects me.
This morning Russian news is showing a nursery school that was allegedly shelled by the Ukrainians. Putin uses the same old tricks over and over.
Germany is afraid of upsetting Russia because they get 40% of their energy from them. That is understandable. But I also know that they owe Europe for being on the wrong side of history in 2 World Wars. That payment may be coming due.
Saw an interesting factoid - 60% of the Russian Army and 50% of its Air Force are now poised to possibly attack the Ukraine. Did not see how much of their naval forces are now arrayed off of Ukraine in the Black Sea.
Ukraine is saying a kindergarten was shelled.
Same old, same old, if you’ve been reading about this war any:
Feb 17 (Reuters) - Russian-backed rebels and Ukrainian forces traded accusations on Thursday that each had fired across the ceasefire line in eastern Ukraine, raising alarm at a time when Western countries have warned of the possibility of a Russian invasion any day.
The details of the incidents could not be independently confirmed, and the initial reports suggested they were on a similar scale to ceasefire violations that have been common throughout the eight year conflict.
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A diplomatic source said a longstanding monitoring mission from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe had recorded multiple shelling incidents along the line of contact in the early hours of Thursday.
Since a 2015 ceasefire brought an end to major combat in the separatist conflict, the OSCE has typically reported dozens of ceasefire violations each day, with significant shelling or clashes leading to injuries or death several times a month.
The self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, one of two rebel regions, said Ukrainian forces had used mortars, grenade launchers and a machine gun in four separate incidents on Thursday.
"Armed forces of Ukraine have crudely violated the ceasefire regime, using heavy weapons, which, according to the Minsk agreements, should be withdrawn," the separatists said in a statement.
Referring to the rebels, Ukraine's military said: "With particular cynicism, the Russian occupation troops shelled the village of Stanytsa Lugansk in the Luhansk region. As a result of the use of heavy artillery weapons by terrorists, shells hit the kindergarten building. According to preliminary data, two civilians received shell shock."
Yep.
Only way for fascists and oligarchs to retain power. Control the people with jingoism and false propaganda. Steal their livelihoods from them and consolidate the money into the pockets of the few.
Depends on whether you're reading Russian State Media, or not, I guess.
"Both Sides", Amirite?
It's like Putin's got his War Soundboard out, and pushed button #7.
The neo-Nazis in Ukraine have been shelling the Donbass separatists for 8 years now. The neo-Nazis didn't like the results of the election of Yanukovych. He was looking to deal with Russia and the EU. At the EU conference in Vilnius on 11/21/13, Yanukovych told Merkel et al that he got a great deal with Russia. He was told us or them. He went with Russia and Nuland and Soros went to work fomenting unrest and violence in the streets. Nuland's "F the EU" call is well documented. So is Soros bragging about it with Fareed Zakaria. These are the same old tricks of the West. Do as we say or we overthrow, assassinate or sanction you to death. For that matter, 84 such acts since WW2.
Everyone gets all aroused about non-violent protestors on 1/6 and they call them insurrectionists. When neo-Nazis do it in Maidan where they had snipers on rooftops executing people and burning buildings, they look away. Weird.
Russia has 40% of the natgas market in all of Europe. Oil accounts for another 25%.
NATO constantly runs exercises in the Black and Baltic Seas to intimidate Russia. In Taiwan as well, because both countries are so close to our border. eye roll.
Everyone gets riled up about Russia having 100K troops WITHIN THEIR COUNTRY. It would take about 300K to successfully invade. How come no one talks about the 125K troops Ukraine has at the line of contact (in violation of the Minsk Accords which was ratified in the UN Security Council)? Kiev never implemented.
The Soviet Union collapsed for a plethora of reasons, one being trapped into Afghanistan by Zbigniew Brzezinski (he boasted of it). He wanted them to have their Vietnam at their underbelly. Why would Russia seek to invade that shithole of a country that is the most corrupt and divisive in Europe? What is the upside? Russia can just wait until June when NS2 gets certified to operate. In the meantime, they can get rich with the high gas prices. Also, the EU has f'ed themselves. Russia got tired of dealing with them and signed a deal with China to start construction on the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline that will transport 50bcm of blue fuel through Mongolia. The source for this pipe is Yamal, the same region that supplies the NS2. OTOH, Washington has been trying desperately to derail this pipe since its inception.
People who have spent a bit of time in the UK understand that the people there rarely refer to themselves as European. They are the UK, and they explicitly refer to Europe as "the Continent". It's a mindset that undoubtedly contributed to Brexit. Putin's influence for Brexit probably had as much influence as Obama's influence against Brexit - virtually none, IMHO. The EU and NATO are different entities, though they obviously have the European countries in common. NATO has the US influence, though, and Turkey has it's own agenda.
I sincerely doubt that Olaf is happy with being put in the middle by Biden. Germany's economy will suffer significantly if there's any kind of conflict with Russia. It's not just shutting down NS2, which isn't even operational yet, but it's a significant increase in the cost of energy from all sources.
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Lordy, some of you guys are just so freakin dumb, it must hurt. And I mean that literally. It must physically hurt to be that stupid.
LMAO, no!!!
Putin's trolls pushed Brexit to sow discord in Europe and the UK.
Same with the Canadian trucker "strike" in Canada. Russian fingerprints all over it.
He's pretty misinformed when it comes to vaccine discussions, too.
Parrots shit w/o even thinking twice about it.
Yes, that is what Putin tells you, isn't it?
I'll bet he says they "eat babies", too....
Hey aren't you the guy who got a thread nuked for spreading misinformation?
Yeah you are....
2 things. Bill Browder, father Earl was a Commie member, was a lying shyster. He routinely called Magnitsky his lawyer, when he was his accountant cooking his books.
Also, The EU Council found the US backed Georgia government guilty.
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year’s five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow’s military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law.
The report commissioned by the European Union said both sides had broken international humanitarian laws and found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia’s intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia.
Each side said the report backed up its interpretation of the war. But the findings were particularly critical of U.S. ally Georgia’s conduct under President Mikheil Saakashvili and are likely to further damage his political standing.
They could also deepen Western concerns about his leadership and the stability of the former Soviet republic which have set back its hopes of joining NATO and the EU and shaken confidence in oil and gas routes running through the South Caucasus.
“In the Mission’s view, it was Georgia which triggered off the war when it attacked Tskhinvali (in South Ossetia) with heavy artillery on the night of 7 to 8 August 2008,” said Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini, who led the investigation.
The report said the war followed tensions and provocations by Russia, but Tagliavini said: “None of the explanations given by the Georgian authorities in order to provide some form of legal justification for the attack lend it a valid explanation.”
Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report
An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law.
Only way for fascists and oligarchs to retain power.
Control the people with jingoism and false propaganda.
-like the bullshit we are seeing with vaccines? Like telling people the economy is being impacted by a group of people inside a city when your very own police force is blocking the roads from people getting in and out?
Steal their livelihoods from them and consolidate the money into the pockets of the few.
-Like freezing bank accounts? Like stopping people from being able to offer aid in support of a cause? Like saying people who work in isolated environments must get something that isn't mandated for their counterparts 50 miles away?
Dude earned that label. Think about his actions not your feels.
Look it up. Don't watch MSDNC! That's just a prop network that foments hate for those willing to be duped.
Weird that your twitter guy there didn't point to the EU's own fact finding mission, which blamed the Georgian's for starting that war:
On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however, before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped.
Ha Ha. So delirious. I hope you're in a padded room.
And look at you, a Dem, taking the corporate stance against Labor.
I think it was because the admins are tired of hearing your whining.
Oh, it wasn't nuked, just locked. So dumb.
