it is interesting, isn't it? Correct me if I am wrong, but in his 26 years he's always let the DC and STC do their thing. why not the same for the OC???
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it is interesting, isn't it? Correct me if I am wrong, but in his 26 years he's always let the DC and STC do their thing. why not the same for the OC???
I think listing 3 WRs in the depth chart was just one indication that there's a lot of changes coming.
Sounded like perhaps a lot of 12 personnel, followed by 11, which mirrors the depth chart. Not much of the 2 RB sets, although in theory we could run some 21 without a FB (two halfbacks) due to our depth and some of that depth being good out of the backfield if not spread out wide at the snap.
I wonder if the offense will get a standing ovation when they do their first unique play that gets yardage (similar to what Hayden got when his first Iowa offense lined up)
Not at all.
Lester has said 22 personnel is something he's enjoyed using in the past
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On a @ScottDochterman question about the effectiveness of pre-snap motion, Tim Lester said he looked at last year's stats and Iowa was one of the lowest-motion teams in the country, at around 6%.
He has used spring and fall camp so far to "over-motion" just to teach it.
Here's a partial quote from Lester about why he believes in presnap motion.
“It does everything, right? I mean, defense is about eye control. And if they have great eye control, then then they're probably gonna stop (you) most times. They're gapped out. They're great coaches, especially here. And so they're gonna fill the gaps.
If you change their gaps two or three times before the snap, you're really trying to get them to misfit … to be able to hand the jet sweep, to be able to throw it on the perimeter, to be able to run the ball. And if the guy doesn't get the perfect key, then you end up opening up some big runs.
When they can pin their ears back and their solo-gap football, and I’m a linebacker and I’ve got the B gap and you run the ball, and I blow the B, you’re in trouble.
But we want to make that guy think he’s got the backside A gap and then with the motion he gets frontside B gap, and then we bring a tight end back, so now he’s back to the backside A gap, 2-3-4 times before the snap, it definitely helps your chances. But you’re still running the same play.”
On a @ScottDochterman question about the effectiveness of pre-snap motion, Tim Lester said he looked at last year's stats and Iowa was one of the lowest-motion teams in the country, at around 6%.
He has used spring and fall camp so far to "over-motion" just to teach it.
Here's a partial quote from Lester about why he believes in presnap motion.
“It does everything, right? I mean, defense is about eye control. And if they have great eye control, then then they're probably gonna stop (you) most times. They're gapped out. They're great coaches, especially here. And so they're gonna fill the gaps.
If you change their gaps two or three times before the snap, you're really trying to get them to misfit … to be able to hand the jet sweep, to be able to throw it on the perimeter, to be able to run the ball. And if the guy doesn't get the perfect key, then you end up opening up some big runs.
When they can pin their ears back and their solo-gap football, and I’m a linebacker and I’ve got the B gap and you run the ball, and I blow the B, you’re in trouble.
But we want to make that guy think he’s got the backside A gap and then with the motion he gets frontside B gap, and then we bring a tight end back, so now he’s back to the backside A gap, 2-3-4 times before the snap, it definitely helps your chances. But you’re still running the same play.”
The Iowa media cracks me up for calling this offense the Shanahan offense. I don't think Lester or Kirk have used that phraseollogy to describe his offense. So my question is what the hell does Chad Leistikow know about the Shanahan offense? Just sayin. Maybe at some point we can all hope that this offense will evolve into that quality of a offense we can all be proud of.
He knows that Tim Lester made these quotes to him.
Tim Lester: “Obviously, I just spent last year in Green Bay and running one of the multiple variations of Shanahan's offense,” Lester said. “You see it all over the NFL right now, and they all run it a little differently. But the DNA is the same of running the ball, creating explosive pass plays. And hopefully if you’re doing that, people want to come be a part of that.”
“There’s probably a 70% chance if (college players) get to play on Sundays, they're going to be running a version of the same (Shanahan offense). Every year, there's a couple more offenses that are running a version of it. So, hopefully that’ll help people want to be here and we’ll have fun when they get here.”
My sense based on descriptions is that this is very close to the Shanahan offense which historically is a pro offense using the zone running scheme as a core which is intended to stretch the defense horizontally and then the passing game is built heavily on play action.
See here: https://nflintellect.com/a-comprehensive-deep-dive-into-the-shanahan-style-offense/
Thus, the ACTUAL PLAYS we will see may strongly resemble the plays we've had in the past, at least on the surface, with some exceptions (but maybe not as many new plays as people expect).
However, how it will be IMPLEMENTED should see more wrinkles:
See here: https://nflintellect.com/a-comprehensive-deep-dive-into-the-shanahan-style-offense/
Thus, the ACTUAL PLAYS we will see may strongly resemble the plays we've had in the past, at least on the surface, with some exceptions (but maybe not as many new plays as people expect).
However, how it will be IMPLEMENTED should see more wrinkles:
- Going from maybe 5% of plays with motion to 50% or more, in order to confuse and reduce the time defensive players have to process their responsibilities and communicate changes amongst themselves
- Going from few or no RPO's to a higher mix of RPO's, likely starting at 2-5% of plays as RPO's and working up to some higher mix (20%?) as the players gain more comfort with the playbook
- Willingness to take more deep shots especially out of RPO reads pre-snap, in order to keep defenses honest at minimum
I think we could even see 60% of plays with some type of motion. Michigan did this last year (I think).
Just the emphasis on using the whole field side to side and vertically will be a change from focusing everything on one point.
It isn't that the plays are different per se, but why not give the defense a lot more to look at and think about?
This is my favorite time of year while I still think we’re going win every game 90-0, so I’m reading into it suggesting the offense will be unstoppable.
Didn't Lester say something like he wanted to cut the offensive rankings from last year in half?
Ie, cut #130 ranked offense to #65, etc?
I think they have the right OC....finally.
Now KF just needs to keep his nose out of it. LOL
Smh.
Just like Kirk needs to keep his nose out of the D and special teams?
Guess who hired this OC that has all your trust.
The guy that should have earned your trust decades ago
Interesting 10 minute discussion.
Ari Wasserman used to write for the Athletic. He thinks Iowa State wins the game.
Andy Staples is not confident in this Iowa offense.
Hopefully this does not age well.
Ari Wasserman used to write for the Athletic. He thinks Iowa State wins the game.
Andy Staples is not confident in this Iowa offense.
Hopefully this does not age well.
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I think our RBs are going to run over and through them. It may start slow as I assume they will load up to stop the run.
I know they landed on the moon, but I didn't realize until now Illinois State was #19 in FCS. So comparable to what ISU faced in North Dakota last Saturday.
