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Yeah I guess if that was your expectations then no. My expectations are fringe All American with title contention at some point in his career.
Kennedy was a top 5 overall recruit in the country for his class. If those are your expectations for a recruit like that, then your expectations for Iowa Wrestling must be pretty low.
This isn’t his true freshman or redshirt freshman year, this is his 3rd year in the program. The fact that he might only be a “fringe” AA would be extremely disappointing at this point in his career.
After the summer he had, I thought he would be pushing for top half of the podium this year. Perhaps Carr is just a bad matchup for him. Time will tell.
Could very well be. Kennedy had nothing for Carr though, and Carr made it look easy.
That is a good point...and because PK wrestled the Bull so close many like me thought he would be a tad more competitive at this stage; I wasn't thinking title but I was thinking top 5 or better. Will be VERY surprised if anyone beats Keegan O’Toole. PK's familiarity with the Bull probably had a lot to do with their matches being close...and the fact that Alex was more or less a one-TD kind of guy against the top talent. All of that said, I'm still confident PK will be a top 6 (or better) guy come NCAAs. He'll come into his own and figure these guys out.
There are 3 returning national champs at the weight, not sure how anyone can be disappointed with any spot on the podium this year at 165. Marinelli never won a title, DeSanto never won a title, Eierman never won a title - but anything less from Kennedy is a disappointment? There is so much parity in the sport these days - a top 5 recruit isn't much better than the top 30 or 40 in the grand scheme of things.....be more worried about Reyna, Ybarra, Schriever, and Robles.
Not even fair putting Kemerer in this comparison you provided as his career was riddled with injuries. I honestly believe that a healthy Kemdog would have been a 2- or 3-time NCAA champ. He had the funk, the skill set and the mentality; his body just didn't hold up for him. And please don't tell me "these days - a top 5 recruit isn't much better than the top 30 or 40 in the grand scheme of things." That is total hogwash! I've seen comparisons on this board more than enough to know that the guys winning individual NCAA championships "these days" are not top 30 or 40. That shit is laughable. There's always going to be one here and there that are out there at 30 or 40 and beyond, but by and large it's the top 5-10 or 12 who win it all. At least that's my assessment going back to 2016-2017 HS p4p according to flo....and I'm also including the following year. Look at the top 11 for 2017, and that's RBY as a junior. Between RBY and the top 5 in 2017 I'm seeing at least a combined 12-13 NCAA championships and another few finalists. The next year the top 5 has 3 NCAA champions who combined for at least 6 individual champions (Gabe on there again) with the other two top 5 achieving runner-up. I don't think you'll find the same numbers and the same percentage of NCAA champs going out to 30-40 each year "these days."
So yeah, the top 5 is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the top 30 or 40.
| 1 | Sr. | Daton | Fix | Daton Fix | 16312 | Sand Springs | OK | 132 | 1 |
| 2 | Sr. | Yianni | Diakomihalis | Yianni Diakomihalis | 16335 | Hilton | NY | 145 | 2 |
| 3 | Sr. | Spencer | Lee | Spencer Lee | 16333 | Franklin Reg | PA | 126 | 3 |
| 4 | Jr. | Gable | Steveson | Gable Steveson | 18750 | Apple Valley | MN | HWT | 4 |
| 5 | Sr. | Vitali | Arujau | Vitali Arujau | 17775 | Syosset | NY | 138 | 5 |
| 6 | Sr. | Nick | Lee | Nick Lee | 16334 | Mater Dei | IN | 138 | 6 |
| 7 | Sr. | Chase | Singletary | Chase Singletary | 16355 | Blair | NJ | 220 | 7 |
| 8 | Sr. | Brady | Berge | Brady Berge | 9415 | Kass Mantorville | MN | 160 | 8 |
| 9 | Sr. | Jacob | Warner | Jacob Warner | 19161 | Washington | IL | 195 | 9 |
| 10 | Jr. | Gavin | Teasdale | Gavin Teasdale | 16340 | Jeff Morgan | PA | 126 | 10 |
| 11 | Jr. | Roman | Bravo-Young | Roman Bravo-Young | 19255 | Sunnyside | AZ | 126 | 11 |
| Rank | Class | Name | School | State | Projected | College | Wt. Class Rank |
| 1 | SR. | Gable Steveson | Apple Valley | MN | 285 | Minnesota | 1 |
| 2 | SR. | Aaron Brooks | North Hagerstown | MD | 184 | Penn State | 1 |
| 3 | SR. | Mason Parris | Lawrenceburg | IN | 285 | Michigan | 1 |
| 4 | SR. | Sammy Sasso | Nazareth | PA | 149 | Ohio State | 1 |
| 5 | SR. | David Carr | Massillon Perry | OH | 157/165 | Iowa State | 1 |
Certainly that part of the post was a stretch, but the rest was pretty spot on, imo.
Obviously neither a student of metallurgy nor a blacksmith, right @MSU158?
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What is this "metalury" you speak of? I know not this word. Is it one? Is it the act of luring someone from the metaphysical plane?
But, I will say I would definitely prefer a blacksmith that can properly identify a nice piece of tungsten or steel and forge them into a perfect sword that fits that particular piece of ore best. Let others worry about the pile of steel I am not as sure of!
As far as the development goes, I don't care if its a sabre, scimitar, broadsword, cutlass, etc. However, I would love them to be able to forge it in a double edged style, while also being able to thrust. On top of that, a little curve wouldn't be bad. Don't forget a nice cross guard for some additional built in defense. But I am selfish like that!
I didn't say that the expectation was for him to win a title this year, but rather be a title contender. Marinelli, DeSanto, Kemerer and Eierman were all very much contenders, though they never ended up winning one.
Losing 4-10, without scoring an offensive point, and looking completely overmatched, was pretty discouraging.
I'm not dogging on PK, or making any grand proclamations here, just saying that a lot of people were justifiably bummed out about the match.
That's where I'm at. He just wasn't competitive and that's the biggest disappointment IMO.
Most other weight classes and expectations would be a solid mid to high AA candidate but 165 is loaded with very experienced high end guys 3 of which have already won national titles. It may be his 3rd year in the program but other than at the scuffle last year he hasn't encountered many bigger matches. He has not given any reason to think he would be a title contender at 165 before this season, that was an unrealistic expectation for people that had it. Kennedy is a high end grinder but a grinder none the less that depends on hand fighting, pace and shot volume to be effective. Robb who he beat this summer is one of the favorites at 157. 165 is just a nasty weight. Carr and O'Toole are two of the best pfp wrestlers in college and both have styles that are a tough match up for Kennedy. PK is going to have to firm up his defense to be in matches with the best of the best. He really doesn't have big move skills or a top game so he needs to keep in the match and hope pace and fatigue will make a difference.
You guys should just sit back and look for improvement in PK over the season. If this freshman is at an obviously higher level by mid-Feb/early Mar, then thumbs up. If you don’t see a progression within this season, then maybe I’d see a reason to hit the disappointment button. But comparisons to former contenders just doesn’t make sense in the first week of December of a freshman campaign.
You really think so? Most realistic hawk fans are way a head of you dude....Thanks for the expert advise...
I'll take me 10 Nick Lee's at #6 over 10 # Vitos at #5. And when you have Chase Singletary in the top 10, I'll probably take 10 other 197/Hwt in the top 100. What was Shane Griffith and Mekhi Lewis ranked in HS? I see Sasso in top 5. What was Gomez ams Alirez ranked?
And it wasn't fair to include Kemerer, he had 6 years of eligibility (to Kennedys 3) and never had 3 national champs in his weight bracket. But I do love me Mikey Kemerer, tough dude.
He had Nolf, though . . . so that prior analogy that included him in the list of contenders wasn’t the best. Kem wasn’t really a contender until his 3rd year of competition, 5th year on the team. Great wrestler, class guy, just bad circumstance.
I LOVE what I see in this kid, he's got a little bit of everything. Potentially a 5th-8th in Tulsa.
That’s the hard part…it’s hard to get top P4P top 10, but you better not miss on any of them either. It’s easy for us to all say I’d rather have the guy with a couple titles in the bank after his career has already played out. Of course that’s part of the coaching gig, and it’s our job to second guess them as fans:/
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