SEP 60 Ankeny -1
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end of the 113 match gets a little chippy (1:42 into the feed) i believe this is where the point reductions happen.
(edited this a bit after hearing more) SEP JV wrestlers were the group that went to sit in the stands and were being rambuctious, but didn't really notice anything completely out of bounds...
Refs stop before next match to talk, AD comes out, PA guy makes announcement that fans need to be behaved or they will ask to leave. Crowd starts clapping, ref goes on full on power trip and kicks everyone out.
Refs shouldn't need to take any abuse from fans (or players, or coaches)... but this felt a bit of an overreaction based on the video, and the couple of people I have heard from who were there
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don't like tough HS wrestling fans
Completely unnecessary. I hope every AD and coach in the state look at that and tell him to pound rocks.
I think you will get nothing out of watching that clip. That's what I got. Just a thin skinned ref with rabbit ears who overreacted.
Nothing threatening or abusive was said. The SEPolk fans were yelling stalling. (gasp) The ref is a thin skinned Karen and after the announcement was made about staying respectful the Polk fans started cheering and clapping so the ref kicked everyone out. This is America, good lord. I completely understand that if someone is yelling threats or being derogatory kick them out but this was handled miserably.
I'd have to guess a really inexperienced official. He struggled all night with red/green (so there was constant confusion on call and score). I'm sure depending on which fanbase you talk with, they certainly think the issue was with the other side. Most of the yelling from the stands was related to stalling (all the normal stuff), but was probably louder than normal because nobody knew what the official called (or why --- just random out of the blue...or maybe based on whoever was yelling at him the most).
Thought clearing the SEP JV guys off the bench and into the stands should have happened way earlier (at the very least should have been sent behind the bench). SEP coach spent a lot of time at the scorer's table questioning calls (even coming back to argue more after getting an explanation and sent back to bench -- probably not a huge deal considering the officiating, but don't think the Ankeny fans liked the return trips to the scorer's table to continue arguing with no consequence -- so lot's of fans yelling let's wrestle...a lot of standing around waiting)
Cleared SEP bench and made announcement to crowd to settle down. 2 minutes later SEP JV kids start yelling (not yelling at the official, just being loud in the stands) and they cleared everyone. Handled terribly.
I personally think it's great, we've become "idiots" when it comes to high school sports and the things that are said at events. I speak after spending six years as an AD and supervising hundreds of events. Wrestling generally wasn't normally an issue but basketball, football, softball, baseball are just ignorant to deal with fans. It did look like the ref probably overreacted and could have handled it much better, but officials shouldn't have to deal with any ignorant crap. I wish officials would immediately kick people out to set the tone or it's just going to continue. There had to be some ignorance going on or it doesn't reach the level of clearing everyone. I mean is anyone amazed that this happened during a non-competitive dual? I could see it for a highly contested dual but a blowout like this? What is either side "crying" about? If it's a new, non-experienced ref, he needs experience. If he does have experience, well this is what you get these days because of the stuff that comes from the stands. Most want to complain about officiating, but the majority don't want anything to do with signing up to do it themselves. We want good, quality refs but we want to treat them poorly. The national shortage of officials is real, and the biggest reason is because they don't want this type of treatment.
I was there. There was really no ignorant crap. The official was clueless and he legitimately threw EVERYONE out after the warning on the PA because people started cheering and clapping.
You do realize we live in America and as Americans we have the right to free speech. No one said ANYTHING threatening or demeaning unless you think "stalling" is demeaning. That ref should go back to the kids tournaments where he belongs.
And the Police officer telling people they couldn't say stalling..... I'm sure his bosses instructed him on the Constitution this morning because I know a few people filed a complaint with the PD.
I dont have any problems with the police officers actions. The constitution/free speech argument is not relevant in this scenario.
It absolutely is relevant. The Officer telling people they couldn't say stalling is not a lawful order. They weren't creating a disturbance of any kind or breaking any laws.
Lol the ref or ad can tell the police officer to have someone removed for whatever reason they want. And the police officer will gladly oblige
You are not entitled to say or do whatever you want, anywhere you want.
I know you cannot yell fire in a crowded auditorium because of the carnage that could result, but I think yelling stalling is still covered under the constitution.
I also agree that an official can ask you to leave and have the police escort you out, but there may be consequences down the road. For example, people can have the school board fire the AD or principal for being too much of a Karen or a dictator.
Balance, common sense, and fairness should prevail, although that is not always the case.
I am an official. Yes, I have heard of this happening before. No, I did not watch the video and even if I did, it might not reveal the whole story. The ref is in his rights to do such a thing. I do not know if it was a good move or not. There very well might have been some things said that pretty much only the ref could hear. I pass no judgment either way. It sometimes is necessary. A small percentage of fans are over the top and treat refs like trash.
You are absolutely wrong. Police officers can only give law abiding citizens lawful commands. Please stop arguing with me about this. The people last night had committed no crimes and weren't being disruptive unless like I said earlier, saying stalling is disruptive.
If someone threatened the ref or was being aggressive or committing some other crime the ref could have the police remove them or arrest them. There wasn't anything like that happening. They were yelling stalling.
This is America and we ALL have rights and a terrible ref or a tyrannical AD can't infringe upon our rights without consequences.
The only way the Police Officer can tell anyone to stop saying something is if he or she feels that the words are causing a disturbance and then they would still have to justify it to their superior and the court. Saying or yelling stalling at a wrestling meet doesn't meet that threshold in any way.
Try wearing a tshirt that says **** SEP or something similar the next time you go to a hs sporting event and see how far your freedom of speech gets you. Dont be surprised when you are asked to cover or remove the shirt or else be sent packing. And the police will be more than happy to escort you out.
guys this constitution stuff is absurd. If you are at a sporting event and the ref tells you to cool it you do it or you can be removed. I’m not saying it’s justified here but nobodies first amendment rights were violated at all.
The police officer isnt enforcing the law, they are enforcing the rules or wishes of the people in charge. If the people in charge say you cannot say something, wear something, sit somewhere,.etc, they can certainly asked that you be removed for violating their rules or policies.
And if you dont, then you can be trespassed at the minimum or charged with disorderly conduct.
Post 11/12. That’s where it went off the rails. About average.
Completely different than what we are talking about here.
Exactly
I watched the video from 113 on. I didnt see or hear anything that warranted that reaction.
Sounded like there were a few obnoxious fans but nothing earth shattering. Got be able to put up with some stuff as an official,.even on your best nights.
It's not absurd when an Officer is telling people they can't say stalling.
If the ad or ref want someone removed or trespassed the Officer can remove them. The Officer can not go around telling people they can't say stalling. That is not a lawful order and can not be enforced.
No. You said yelling stalling was part of freedom of speech/the constituion, therefore it is protected and the police officer basically had no business telling them they couldnt say it.
Just to be clear, a Police Officers only job is to enforce the laws. They don't enforce rules or wishes of people in charge. If the ad of the school wants someone trespassed the Police can do that. If what people are saying isn't threatening or abusive the Police can not tell you that you can't say it.
That is correct. Yelling stalling and wearing a FU&K SEP shirt aren't on the same level. The shirt is derogatory and abusive especially in a high school setting, yelling stalling is neither.
I disagree.
When you are in a gym you are subject to the refs demands for fan behavior. I guess you can refuse the ref/police, but then the ref can clear the gym. Then if you refuse, I think you’d find resisting that order from the police to not be worth your time or money.
I know who voted for what political party with how they think this was handled 😂
I was a soccer ref for 20 + years. I could and did stop the match when I felt the crowd was promoting violence from or upon any player. Or if I heard vulgar language directed at the ref crew or players. And instructed the AD that the match doesn't start up until said individual(s) were gone. But never once had an AD tell me to stop the match because of crowd behavior. Or call in PD. IF it was bad enough for an AD to clear the gym, the ref was way late in keeping control or the AD was overreacting
Also, its not the police officer telling the spectators what they can/cannot say. Hes just the one essentially telling them what the officials/ad are saying and they are free to either cooperate or leave. There's a distinction.
Bryce, the gym was cleared because the ref said clear the gym. It was ridiculous but he has that power so whatever. What concerned me more was a Police Officer telling people they couldn't yell stalling at a wrestling meet. That is not a lawful order and can not be enforced by a Police Officer, period. It wasn't abusive, threatening or hate speech and it wasn't derogatory to anyone so it could never be enforced by the officer, the Ankeny PD or the Polk County attorneys office. And ultimately that is where it would end up if push came to shove.
Apparently the ones agreeing with the refs decision have never sat in the lower bowl of Carver. Or even at the top. Cops are everywhere.
I’ve heard some wild shit in front of the officers. The only time I’ve seen someone removed is when they were clearly intoxicated and at a minimum, harassing the crap out of Gable Steveson
I’ve heard some wild shit in front of the officers. The only time I’ve seen someone removed is when they were clearly intoxicated and at a minimum, harassing the crap out of Gable Steveson
Dude he’s doing it because the ref asked him to. Thats part of the reason he’s there. Chill out bro.
Let’s see…SEP and Ankeny. 99% chance the fans and students were complete buttholes. Good choice to clear them out.
I bet you’re a blast at a sporting event 😂. Can you imagine Bryce watching LeBron play a game with his fan base yelling “foul”.
Imagine the amount that criminal, derogatory, offensive “foul” word is yelled there. I’m surprised Laker fans are allowed to attend games anymore.
I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is this, a Police Officer is ONLY allowed to enforce the laws of their state and jurisdiction. They aren't allowed to be messenger boys or girls for the ref or ad. I will guarantee you that The Sgt or Lt, or Capt or Chief of Ankeny PD informed that Police Officer as such this morning.
I bet not. I am a Republican and in Law Enforcement...........
If the Officer attended ILEA then he absolutely knows he can't tell a citizen that they can't yell stalling. Period.
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