SEP vs Valley
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Speaking of getting your nuts cracked. . . . We were at Valley tonight for the Valley-Ames basketball game. Guess who danced at halftime! You just can't make this stuff up.
Guessing the Valley-Ames BB game was worth it too.... especially for the halftime show.
True, 33. In all seriousness, this dance dad wouldn't have missed it for the world. But don't tell my wrestling buddies. . . .
That couldn't have been Rocky. He's a good sized 220 isn't he?
I'm guessing that was lil bro.
You are correct. Beau Lombardi is the 182 pounder. Rocky picked up his 10th pin of the season
Is anyone else surprised at the number of mismatches in high school dual meets? Even between 2 solid programs like SEP and VAL there were only a few decent matches. When you consider it is almost the opposite at the college level it's interesting.
It is like that here too. I would guess out of 14 weights probably averaging 10 falls per dual. I think it is the result of specialization-the kids coming out of football, except for the exceptional athletes, dont stand a chance against someone who has been wrestling year-round.
Sure there were a few pins, but there was more than a few "decent" matches. SEP's 145 moved up to 152 which prevented a 1 vs. 2 match-up.
Probably some truth to that. Interestingly, and contrary to that trend, is Rocky Lombardi, Valley's heavyweight with 10 falls on the year, who's also a D1 QB headed to Michigan State.
That does happen for sure. Just not enough. I live in small town, where every kid that decides to concentrate on one sport hurts another, or maybe two. Most of these kids are not that type of athlete, no matter what their parents think, where they are going to be D1 athletes. As a fan, would rather see full teams, and contested matches more so than a bunch of falls and forfeits. Is that being greedy?
I know Grant Stotts plays football too, he had three INTs this year. Pretty impressive to play varsity football at school like Valley and be the #1 ranked 145 pounder
Quick Stats on Stotts http://www.quikstatsiowa.com/Public...41&IDAthlete=h20160817062147503f73a058ff8a241
14 matches. 7 falls. 1 Technical fall. 1 major decision. 5 decision (4-0, 7-2, 6-2, 5-3, 5-1). Looking at this it appears as having a lot of mismatches. I am sure there was a lot of excitement but one would hope that the #1 and #2 teams in 3A would be more competitive than this from top to bottom.
Yep. Grant is a great athlete. Also a very nice kid from a nice family. He's pretty tight with our daughter. . . in a platonic way.
Yep. Grant is a great athlete. Also a very nice kid from a nice family. He's pretty tight with our daughter. . . in a platonic way.
But can he Dance???
That is pretty impressive at his size that's he's able to play on the Valley Varsity for Football. Imagine he's a bit bigger than 145 while playing Football, but still.Yep. Grant is a great athlete. Also a very nice kid from a nice family. He's pretty tight with our daughter. . . in a platonic way.
All this means is SEP wasn't able to magically have tough kids transfer in at the same weight as Valley's tough kids.
And then they made the potential match of the night disappear as well @ 145.
Eh...I've posted dumber. Not really a secret that SEP gets timely transfers. So does Valley for all I know.
To be fair, SEP will see Valley at the Valley Duals, Ed Winger, CIMLs, and then they could always run into each other again at state (Duals and Traditional tourney).
HAHAHA this board never seems to amaze me. #1 vs #2 coming down to the final match and people are on here bi$ching. How dare that coach move his kid up to try and win a dual in front of 2800 people in their home gym. Who does he think he is?
P.S. - both of these teams have benefitted from transfers, that whole argument is old and tired.
P.S. - both of these teams have benefitted from transfers, that whole argument is old and tired.
126 - No. 1 Brown vs No. 5 Hutchinson - Brown 4-0
152 - No. 2 (145) Barnes vs No. 7 Nicholson - Barnes 6-2
182 - No. 8 Christenson (Freshman) vs Just outside of top 10 Lombardi (Sophomore) - Christenson 5-3, great match
285 - No. 10 Lawrence vs (previously ranked) Brand - Lawrence hit a sweet over/under toss twice and caught the arm on the second one for the fall (One of those pins that wasn't because of a mis-match, Lawrence stepped up a hit a nice throw.
113 - No. 2 (106) Oldham vs No. 6 Ames - Oldham throw a headlock and Ames battled for at least a minute on his back before Oldham was able to secure the fall. Another one that was not a mismatch, big moves happen in big duals.
145 - An undersized Marchand battles top ranked Stotts to the end where Stotts is able to secure the major in the closing seconds of the match. At the time in the dual that extra point could have been huge.
120 - The meet clincher - No. 2 Gauge Perrien comes out for his first match of the year and is able to gut out a 5-1 win with a match/meet sealing takedown with 15 secs to go over No. 7 Hughes-Reilly
Then you had guys that were heavy favorites do what guys that are heavy favorites are suppose to do, dominate, win by fall, win by TF.
Not exciting at all.
Hopping off my soapbox
152 - No. 2 (145) Barnes vs No. 7 Nicholson - Barnes 6-2
182 - No. 8 Christenson (Freshman) vs Just outside of top 10 Lombardi (Sophomore) - Christenson 5-3, great match
285 - No. 10 Lawrence vs (previously ranked) Brand - Lawrence hit a sweet over/under toss twice and caught the arm on the second one for the fall (One of those pins that wasn't because of a mis-match, Lawrence stepped up a hit a nice throw.
113 - No. 2 (106) Oldham vs No. 6 Ames - Oldham throw a headlock and Ames battled for at least a minute on his back before Oldham was able to secure the fall. Another one that was not a mismatch, big moves happen in big duals.
145 - An undersized Marchand battles top ranked Stotts to the end where Stotts is able to secure the major in the closing seconds of the match. At the time in the dual that extra point could have been huge.
120 - The meet clincher - No. 2 Gauge Perrien comes out for his first match of the year and is able to gut out a 5-1 win with a match/meet sealing takedown with 15 secs to go over No. 7 Hughes-Reilly
Then you had guys that were heavy favorites do what guys that are heavy favorites are suppose to do, dominate, win by fall, win by TF.
Not exciting at all.
Hopping off my soapbox
I actually pull for SEP in 3A, in general. I don't like HS transfers for athletic reasons. I support people being able to do it but I also support the right to think it is silly.
I find it interesting that this board is constantly talking about the need for bonus points out of the wrestlers and what a disappointment it is that so many of our starters don't produce consistent bonus points, then complain there are too many bonus points in a high school meet.
Because some kids (or more likely parents) aren't selfish and want to help their school have success. Others rush to the powers like SEP, West, Waverly, etc. to push their individual agenda. Oh save me the "they can get better wrestling better talent in the room and having better coaches."
Welp...just glad that out of state kids come to Iowa to wrestle instead of staying home for "state pride."
I look at this whole thing as a free market concept: If your kid is good, likes the sport, but lives in a town or school that worships football and the wrestling program (or the whole sports program) is crap, why not move to where your kid can get better? Is the kid going to suffer educationally or socially? Probably not.
Nate and Nick Gallick lived in the rich part of Tucson in the Catalina Foothills. They used to travel an hour one way to go to school in one our poorer school districts at Sunnyside H.S. just to be better wrestlers. Not many white kids at Sunnyside...let me tell you but can't beat them for wrestling. Same deal with the Larkins a decade earlier. Both the Gallicks and the Larkins did alright.
Except Lombardi actually earned a D1 football scholly. I thought Dean just tried out and didn't make it.
Oldham will make it back to 106 for the majority of the rest of the season and definitely for districts and state. The cut was rough on him and the two pound allowance after Christmas will help.
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