Should the government give away Ozempic?
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You claimed they weren't giving ozempic to 6 year olds. Then you admitted they are. Now you're claiming you never moved the goal posts. 🤡🤡🤡
You can discontinue ozempic.
Tylenol is safe when used properly. It is frequently overdosed because it is readily available, is often included in combo drugs, and people do underestimate its risk when taking it. Almost anything can be harmful when used in excess. Water is unsafe if you consume too much.
If the board’s resident Pharma whore says the country’s leading cause of Acute Liver Failure is ‘safe’ and carries ‘low risk’ then that’s good enough for me, damnit! 
The Acute Liver Failure Study Group’s research led to an understanding of how acetaminophen poisoning became the No. 1 cause of ALF in the United States. It’s now responsible for 46 percent of all cases and for approximately 500 deaths and 50,000 emergency room visits each year, said Dr. William M. Lee, Professor of Internal Medicine at UT Southwestern, founder of the study group, and an internationally renowned expert in liver disease.
The impetus for the multisite acute liver failure study began in 1993, when Dr. Lee noticed that two-thirds of the patients treated at Dallas’ Parkland Memorial Hospital for acute liver failure had consumed alcohol while taking acetaminophen. His findings were reported in The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) that year. A follow-up study, published in NEJM four years later, found that while the majority of Parkland patients with acetaminophen-related liver injury intentionally took too much of the drug in a suicide attempt, almost a third had accidently poisoned themselves, simply trying to relieve pain. And, Dr. Lee’s research found, those accidental overdose patients were more likely to die.
These findings convinced Dr. Lee to apply for a National Institutes of Health grant to study ALF in all its forms as well as the acetaminophen link.
“Past a certain point, acetaminophen overwhelms the liver’s ability to safely metabolize it and becomes a poison, killing liver cells and causing swelling of the brain,” Dr. Lee said.
Still, Dr. Lee is frustrated by the continued deaths and need for liver transplants linked to overdoses of this over-the-counter medication. “Acetaminophen actually dwarfs by three times the number of liver-injury deaths related to all prescription drugs – which is kind of bizarre because it’s over-the-counter. It’s readily available in hundreds of tablets at a time.” (utsouthwestern.edu)
The Acute Liver Failure Study Group’s research led to an understanding of how acetaminophen poisoning became the No. 1 cause of ALF in the United States. It’s now responsible for 46 percent of all cases and for approximately 500 deaths and 50,000 emergency room visits each year, said Dr. William M. Lee, Professor of Internal Medicine at UT Southwestern, founder of the study group, and an internationally renowned expert in liver disease.
The impetus for the multisite acute liver failure study began in 1993, when Dr. Lee noticed that two-thirds of the patients treated at Dallas’ Parkland Memorial Hospital for acute liver failure had consumed alcohol while taking acetaminophen. His findings were reported in The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) that year. A follow-up study, published in NEJM four years later, found that while the majority of Parkland patients with acetaminophen-related liver injury intentionally took too much of the drug in a suicide attempt, almost a third had accidently poisoned themselves, simply trying to relieve pain. And, Dr. Lee’s research found, those accidental overdose patients were more likely to die.
These findings convinced Dr. Lee to apply for a National Institutes of Health grant to study ALF in all its forms as well as the acetaminophen link.
“Past a certain point, acetaminophen overwhelms the liver’s ability to safely metabolize it and becomes a poison, killing liver cells and causing swelling of the brain,” Dr. Lee said.
Still, Dr. Lee is frustrated by the continued deaths and need for liver transplants linked to overdoses of this over-the-counter medication. “Acetaminophen actually dwarfs by three times the number of liver-injury deaths related to all prescription drugs – which is kind of bizarre because it’s over-the-counter. It’s readily available in hundreds of tablets at a time.” (utsouthwestern.edu)
Taking too much of a medication can be harmful. You can't make medications that have 0 side effects particularly when people are taking excessive quantities of said medication.If the board’s resident Pharma whore says the country’s leading cause of Acute Liver Failure is ‘safe’ and carries ‘low risk’ then that’s good enough for me, damnit!
The Acute Liver Failure Study Group’s research led to an understanding of how acetaminophen poisoning became the No. 1 cause of ALF in the United States. It’s now responsible for 46 percent of all cases and for approximately 500 deaths and 50,000 emergency room visits each year, said Dr. William M. Lee, Professor of Internal Medicine at UT Southwestern, founder of the study group, and an internationally renowned expert in liver disease.
The impetus for the multisite acute liver failure study began in 1993, when Dr. Lee noticed that two-thirds of the patients treated at Dallas’ Parkland Memorial Hospital for acute liver failure had consumed alcohol while taking acetaminophen. His findings were reported in The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) that year. A follow-up study, published in NEJM four years later, found that while the majority of Parkland patients with acetaminophen-related liver injury intentionally took too much of the drug in a suicide attempt, almost a third had accidently poisoned themselves, simply trying to relieve pain. And, Dr. Lee’s research found, those accidental overdose patients were more likely to die.
These findings convinced Dr. Lee to apply for a National Institutes of Health grant to study ALF in all its forms as well as the acetaminophen link.
“Past a certain point, acetaminophen overwhelms the liver’s ability to safely metabolize it and becomes a poison, killing liver cells and causing swelling of the brain,” Dr. Lee said.
Still, Dr. Lee is frustrated by the continued deaths and need for liver transplants linked to overdoses of this over-the-counter medication. “Acetaminophen actually dwarfs by three times the number of liver-injury deaths related to all prescription drugs – which is kind of bizarre because it’s over-the-counter. It’s readily available in hundreds of tablets at a time.” (utsouthwestern.edu)
The debate you could have here would be is the dispensing and the recommended dosing fine. You could discuss changing those parameters.
The problem with acetminophen is that it is present in a lot of other products that people take…a fine line between symptom relief and liver failure. The FDA’s been passing the buck on this poison for almost 50 years. That’s criminal.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has long been aware of studies showing the risks of acetaminophen – in particular, that the margin between the amount that helps and the amount that can cause serious harm is smaller than for other pain relievers.
In 1977, an expert panel convened by the FDA issued urgently worded advice, saying it was “obligatory” to put a warning on the drug’s label that it could cause “severe liver damage.” After much debate, the FDA added the warning 32 years later. The panel’s recommendation was part of a broader review to set safety rules for acetaminophen, which is still not finished.
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In the 1970s, the Food and Drug Administration appointed an expert panel to review the safety and efficacy of over-the-counter pain relievers, including acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol. The panel delivered their recommendations on April 5, 1977. At the time, the FDA estimated it would issue final regulations before the end of 1978. The agency has still not completed its work. This is how much time has passed since then. Find out more »
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About 150 Americans a year die by accidentally taking too much acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol. The toll does not have to be so high.
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I disagreed with you they were "pushing" Ozempic on to 6 yr olds.
You were referring to the manufacturer; it was a clinical trial, with Duke University Pediatric staff recruiting volunteers in a study.
Not remotely the same thing.
They're not giving it to 6 year olds in trials to not push it on 6 year olds down the road which you also admitted to. Take your L.
Now we're waffling here.
They ran a clinical study.
The study demonstrated significant benefits, which a pediatrician outlined for you. She also discussed risks.
There are more than 600 prescription and OTC products containing acetaminophen. The expectation that consumers are going to be aware of the overdose potential that comes from barely exceeding the RDA is almost nonexistent.
In the past 70 years, this ‘safe, low risk’ ☠️ has been responsible for > 5,000,000 ER visits, 100,000 liver failures and 10,000 deaths.
Nothing short of criminal malfeasance that it’s still on the market.
It's not criminal as long as you pay off the right people in power
it takes a lot to wade through the mountains of shit in this thread,
but we're now saying that regular tylenol is only legal because "people in power" are paid off?
That's what they're claiming.
Just imagine what they'll find if they look on their packets of "Hims" Viagra doses!!!!
News flash, country of fat pigs want a pill to was away their doritos and pizza and want to hand the bill to future generations. And of course @Joes Place would support anything his big pharmaceutical overlords want.
Out of billions of doses (probably hundreds of billions), those percentages are miniscule.
Which is why it is an OTC medication.
Whoring for Big Pharma is all he knows. Doesn’t matter how many people suffer injuries or death because of their garbage products.
just wait until you hear about these new things called "antibiotics"
responsible for EVEN MORE emergency room visits than tylenol
we need to do something about these very dangerous death pills that big pharma has convinced us are OK to take
I would much rather the gov push to eliminate overly-processed food from American shelves...
Good luck. I’d love to see it, but that’s going to be tough to pull off. As always, attacking a problem from multiple angles is usually the best approach. Need to encourage being less sedentary, eating healthier food/more reasonable portions, finding medical/pharmacological interventions where it makes sense, etc.
I totally agree to some extent, maybe phase 1 is tackling the current obesity issue by issuing a pharmaceutical solution, then the next step is eliminating foods on the shelves that provide little to no nutritional benefit( sugary cereals, etc.) and so on.
we realize that this is calling for MORE GOVT REGULATION, right?
i just find it wierd where people do and don't trust/blame american consumers for the state of the american consumer markets
This would be an unprecedented step of government intervention.
difference between Gatorade and Pepsi is carbonation. Both are full of “empty calories”.
No way can you start making some food illegal to sell.
Going to stop selling canola oil because somebody might fry something? Roflmao.
No way can you start making some food illegal to sell.
Going to stop selling canola oil because somebody might fry something? Roflmao.
I'd be in favor of eliminating the "food stamps" to buy this stuff vs having more nutritious stuff delivered or handed off where it does not include all the garbage. Would cost less, too.
MAGAs aren't renowned for their consistency on "conservative" topics...
1% income tax. You go to a doctor once a year (for free) and if you are not overweight you get your money back plus a portion of all the money fat people forfeited.
People love contests like this. We have had some at my work and some people drop 50+ pounds to win a couple hundred dollars.
