Soon to be 4 Star 2019 PG DJ Carton is visiting Iowa Sat, Aug 5!!
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Carton recently jumped Pat McC in the Scout.com rankings, Carton at 37 and Pat at 42. I truly think Carton is a must get for this class. Roll out the red carpet this weekend, lock this down. A class starting off with Pat and Carton could end up being the best class of all time at Iowa.
I suggest you check out the 1985 class before making such a proclamation.
2 McDonalds All-Americans in Roy Marble and Ed Horton
Top 50 player in B.J. Armstrong
Juco All-American Kevin Gamble
and don't forget big Les! 7'1" Les Jepsen
All 5 players were drafted and played in the NBA
No doubt about it, 85 class was stacked. I guess the point I was trying to make was with what we already have at Iowa, adding 3 possibly 4 top 75 players could take Iowa to multiple elite 8 possibly final 4s. I may be drinking the kool aid, but hard not to get excited about the current and future of this team.
Obviously, a high-level PG in 2019 or 2020 is necessary to keep pace with our other recruiting. I'd like to get Carton because his lately developed explosiveness fits the attacking nature of Fran's style and he's a local Iowan. Ironically, if he goes to WI, he'll probably play better vs Iowa than his average college level of play because he fits Iowa's style better.
I figured as much but thought i'd share for those too young to have enjoyed those years.
scout is a total joke as they rated JBO as a 2*. even Wieskamp was dropped out of their top 50. hey but can I say they are only poor White boys from Iowa that will play for Iowa.
when it comes to players that commit to Iowa they get dropped faster than a hot coal.
same thing with Iowa FB commits.
when it comes to players that commit to Iowa they get dropped faster than a hot coal.
same thing with Iowa FB commits.
Not to mention Gerry Wright,"Sir Jamelot", Al Lorenzen, "The Vanilla Gorilla, Clarence"call me Bill" Jones, and Brad Lohaus who had a pretty solid NBA career as well. I doubt Iowa has ever had a more stacked roster the this group.
FWIW, I heard on Kakert's podcast that Carton, Weikamp and Patrick hung out together this past weekend, just goofing around. Wouldn't think this would happen if Carton really hated Patrick.
Common guys, can we lay off the multiple Elite 8's and Final 4's talk for now? I'm as excited as anyone, but I cringe every time I see something like this. How about we shoot for a simple Sweet 16, something we haven't done in almost 20 years?
Okay, I get your caution, but I like people who are optimistic. The team is, step by step, accumulating some serious talent. Keep up the optimism and don't whine if they don't make it. Go Hawks!
there is no harm in talking about the future possible results of the improved recruiting the likes of which have not been seen since 20 years ago. or further back.
or am I missing the memo?
Guess I don't see why you guys are stopping at the Final Four then, looks like three-peat National Champions if we're doing that.
There is being optimistic, then there is what you (and Dan) are doing. We might be bringing in some talent, but so are a lot of other teams (based on recent news, apparently through much different ways than Iowa). This is why we are at #30 for this years class, #57 last year, #37 the year before, #79 in 2015... etc.
I think Iowa basketball looks promising and think we will have some fun seasons ahead. But when a segment of our fanbase starts predicting multiple E8s and F4s, it gets a little embarrassing for a lot of us. It also gives some of our more "colorful" fans that much more reason to freak out when Iowa drops two consecutive games in February and we have to hear about that because they've seen people like Dan say things like "this could be a top 10 team" all season long.
go follow duke then or better yet ISU. to think a class with 2 players 1 a top 40 and the other a unranked 3* is ranked #30 is saying a lot about the quality of players that Fran is bringing in. but just for you this how the 17-18 season's starting line up looks by using ESPN rankingGuess I don't see why you guys are stopping at the Final Four then, looks like three-peat National Champions if we're doing that.
There is being optimistic, then there is what you (and Dan) are doing. We might be bringing in some talent, but so are a lot of other teams (based on recent news, apparently through much different ways than Iowa). This is why we are at #30 for this years class, #57 last year, #37 the year before, #79 in 2015... etc.
I think Iowa basketball looks promising and think we will have some fun seasons ahead. But when a segment of our fanbase starts predicting multiple E8s and F4s, it gets a little embarrassing for a lot of us. It also gives some of our more "colorful" fans that much more reason to freak out when Iowa drops two consecutive games in February and we have to hear about that because they've seen people like Dan say things like "this could be a top 10 team" all season long.
4* SO PG Bohannon
4* RSSO SG Moss
NR RSJR SF Baer
4* SO #38 overall 8th best PF Cook
4* FR #100 #13 Best C Garza
4* FR #92 #22 BEST SG FR Connor McCaffrey who walked on, if Connor were to play instead of RS. he very well could have started at the SG spot and Moss could have started at the SF spot with Baer being the 6th man.
now with 5 4* players starting the chances of Elite 8 and possible FF becomes real possible, then you have #40 overall and #8 best SG Wieskamp replacing 3* Uhl the odds increase. even 4* Patrick is #30 overall and #9 SF.
Guess I don't see why you guys are stopping at the Final Four then, looks like three-peat National Champions if we're doing that.
There is being optimistic, then there is what you (and Dan) are doing. We might be bringing in some talent, but so are a lot of other teams (based on recent news, apparently through much different ways than Iowa). This is why we are at #30 for this years class, #57 last year, #37 the year before, #79 in 2015... etc.
I think Iowa basketball looks promising and think we will have some fun seasons ahead. But when a segment of our fanbase starts predicting multiple E8s and F4s, it gets a little embarrassing for a lot of us. It also gives some of our more "colorful" fans that much more reason to freak out when Iowa drops two consecutive games in February and we have to hear about that because they've seen people like Dan say things like "this could be a top 10 team" all season long.
Links please to where I've said certain things you suggest.
Three years ago I said 10-8. We finished 12-6
Two years ago I said 11-7. We finished 12-6
Last year I said 11-7. We finished 10-8
This year I say 13-5. 24+ total. I think I said top 25.
I think I do pretty well compared to the chickens who worry too much.
By the way, I don't think I've EVER predicted our NCAA success....depends on too many things.
I agree about the 13-5 BT record but I am going with a 12-1 OOC record and a 25 win season giving Iowa a solid 5 seed giving Iowa a decent chance at a sweet 16, this would give Iowa a shot at the #4 seed in the 2nd round vs the #2 seed like they did the year they went 12-6 twice,
I'd rather continue to follow Iowa thanks, apparently on a much more realistic level than some.
I personally look at the 24/7 composite for recruiting, since I think the average is a much better way to look at it, IMO.
As far as the 17-18 roster is concerned, it looks a lot like it did last year excluding our best player with some talented young guys added. Young would be stressed there. I think the team can improve without Jok, I think a 13-5 conference record isn't crazy (unlikely yes, but possible). But sorry if I don't see multiple Elite 8's or Final 4's on the horizon because we're bringing in recruiting classes between 31-79.
And I'll reiterate that I think we're going to have some good teams the next few years. But for our current program making a Sweet 16 would be a big deal. We look foolish predicting multiple Elite 8's or Final 4's.
I'm not basing the elite 8s statement on recruiting classes ranked 31-79, I'm basing that on the fact that we are getting top 50 players visiting and could potentially be bringing in top 20, maybe top 10 recruiting classes in the next few years. Look at what Fran has done with guys that are outside of the top 150, imagine a team with multiple top 50 players.
calling Jok the best player is a bit of a stretch, he was good but he also a liability on defense and as a ball handler as he had 80 to's which led the team and only 34 steals.
JBo led the team in 3 pointers made and avg'd 41.6% from 3, Jok made 84 3's but only hit at a 38% rate, since Gaten as left this same thing keeps rearing its ugly head, well who is going to replace the best player ie; leading scorer and yet somebody always does
Marble as a JR took his place while SO White became the 2nd leading scorer, and that team with 3 FR starter in top 100 FR Gesell, top 100 FR Woodbury and Clemmons won 25 games and reached the NIT Championship game.
then when Marble graduated it started again as Marble was a 1st Team All BT and a 2nd round NBA Draft pick, this time 2nd leading scorer White became the leading score with Uthoff becoming the 2nd leading scorer and that team went 12-6 with a tie for 3rd and a 1st round win in the NCAA's.
then its starts all over again who is going to replace a 1st team All BT and 2nd round NBA Draft pick in White, but again Uthoff the 2nd leading Scorer leads the team in scoring and Jok takes over as the 2nd scorer and then Uthoff end becomes a 1st team All BT
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again the handwringing begins all over again but this time Jok takes over the role of leading scorer. and become a 1st team All BT player
now it begins again but this time Fran's team is well stocked and returns 11 players 6 of which started at one point last season along with #2 scorer in Cook who avg'd 12.3 ppg and 3rd leading scorer JBo who avg'd 10.9 ppg
they also return these who were all BT in one form or another
RSJR Baer All BT 6th MOY
SO Bohannon All BT FR teamer
SO Cook All BT FR teamer.
plus the 2 biggest additions in 6'11 Nunge runner up to the Mr. BB in Indiana,
6'11 Garza Washington DC's Gatorade POY 4*
JBo led the team in 3 pointers made and avg'd 41.6% from 3, Jok made 84 3's but only hit at a 38% rate, since Gaten as left this same thing keeps rearing its ugly head, well who is going to replace the best player ie; leading scorer and yet somebody always does
Marble as a JR took his place while SO White became the 2nd leading scorer, and that team with 3 FR starter in top 100 FR Gesell, top 100 FR Woodbury and Clemmons won 25 games and reached the NIT Championship game.
then when Marble graduated it started again as Marble was a 1st Team All BT and a 2nd round NBA Draft pick, this time 2nd leading scorer White became the leading score with Uthoff becoming the 2nd leading scorer and that team went 12-6 with a tie for 3rd and a 1st round win in the NCAA's.
then its starts all over again who is going to replace a 1st team All BT and 2nd round NBA Draft pick in White, but again Uthoff the 2nd leading Scorer leads the team in scoring and Jok takes over as the 2nd scorer and then Uthoff end becomes a 1st team All BT
.
again the handwringing begins all over again but this time Jok takes over the role of leading scorer. and become a 1st team All BT player
now it begins again but this time Fran's team is well stocked and returns 11 players 6 of which started at one point last season along with #2 scorer in Cook who avg'd 12.3 ppg and 3rd leading scorer JBo who avg'd 10.9 ppg
they also return these who were all BT in one form or another
RSJR Baer All BT 6th MOY
SO Bohannon All BT FR teamer
SO Cook All BT FR teamer.
plus the 2 biggest additions in 6'11 Nunge runner up to the Mr. BB in Indiana,
6'11 Garza Washington DC's Gatorade POY 4*
As a I recall we went 11-7 last year with one game stolen by atrocious officiating in the twin cities...
10-8 but who counting, that game cost Iowa finishing 4th alone. but 1 game did not hurt Iowa the loss to UNO hurt more, I can point to 1 maybe 2 other games that were swing games
last season is done and now the team is more experienced and deeper with a key piece in C Garza. to me he was the missing piece to last years team
Yes making a deep tournament run takes a combination of high-level talent and luck. In the last 40 years, Iowa has a grand total of 2 Elite 8 appearances, none of those in the last 30 years. And we go right to multiple Elite 8's being the goal. Like the optimism, but teams can be really good and not make it that far.
I hear you Dodger. However, we would have to have a Lot of players have absolutely Zero improvement to not make a leap in standings & tournament play. That noted, it is without a doubt we have multiple players who have made big strides.
It is tough to tamper what one knows is coming. And what will be added to this team talent wise. Shoot for the stars my fellow Hawkeye!
this is the deepest, talented and versatile team that has been here since the Dr. Tom years when he 1st got here, this group could be as good or better than Lutes FF team and BT Championship team. stars be damned, lets compare
Special K vs Garza, Garza has range to 3 Special K nope limited inside game
Waite vs Nunge more versatile with range to 3
Lestor vs JBo the edge goes to Ronnie but if JBo can stay healthy Iowa will be in better hands
Hanson vs Moss Moss is more athletic and has a more rounded game in the ability to rebound and block shots Mosses 3 point shooting has yet to be seen although he did shoot 35.8% from 3
the rest are simply pieces to the puzzle though Cook does provide the X factor. Lute knewthis, Ravelling knewthis and even Dr. Tom knewthis and now Fran knows this its time msg posters learn this,
Lick ignored this SA at least knew this sorry about the none space as when I made correction I had to retype the word KNEW
Special K vs Garza, Garza has range to 3 Special K nope limited inside game
Waite vs Nunge more versatile with range to 3
Lestor vs JBo the edge goes to Ronnie but if JBo can stay healthy Iowa will be in better hands
Hanson vs Moss Moss is more athletic and has a more rounded game in the ability to rebound and block shots Mosses 3 point shooting has yet to be seen although he did shoot 35.8% from 3
the rest are simply pieces to the puzzle though Cook does provide the X factor. Lute knewthis, Ravelling knewthis and even Dr. Tom knewthis and now Fran knows this its time msg posters learn this,
Lick ignored this SA at least knew this sorry about the none space as when I made correction I had to retype the word KNEW
I can't help you if you honestly think this team is deeper and more talented than Lute's Final Four team. Lester was probably the best Iowa player ever, had he not sustained the knee injury he would have been a great NBA player. Hansen played for a decade in the NBA. To say nothing of the very good players in Brookins and Kenny Arnold.
Hanson was a FR, I will take Nunge and Garza over Waite and Special K, who on that team was/is better than Cook, what about Baer who on that team is his equal, JBo as more assists as a FR than Ronnie, Ronnie was the best yes but he was hurt, and Iowa fans saw just how good the team was while Ronnie was hurt, that team went 23-10 10-8 in BT play finishing 4th, without Ronnie that was just a avg team, this team can go 10-11 deep.
JBo can play the 1 or 2
Moss can play the 2 or 3
Baer can play the 3-4
Williams can play the 2 or 3
Ellingson can play the 1 or 2
Uhl has played the 3-4-5
Cook can play the 4 or 5
Kriener can play the 4 or 5
Pemsl can play the 4 or 5
Nunge can play the 3-4-5
Garza can play the 4 or 5
how many on that FF had that much versatility? also I don't remember Lute going 10 deep.
again this team is deeper than even Dr. Tom's teams
That Final Four year? Who do we have now that has proven they are capable of matching Kevin Boyle's defense? STOP. No one.
And not wanting to get into an argument with you. But IMO we shouldn't start anointing ANY preseason team with accolades above and beyond teams who for whatever reason EARNED our respect by their ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
To me, the Fab Five, Miller's Six Pack, Lute's FF team, and Dr. Tom's first team, go ahead and be optimistic that our current guys could join them. Compare talents for sake of just talk, just fan stuff. But you go too far....you seem to have played a game in your head and awarded the win to the 2017/18 bunch!
You go too far. By the end of the season, I hope you haven't.
ummmmm, Iowa had a class in the mid-1980s that included 5, yes, 5, future players who played in the NBA--Armstrong, Marble, Horton, Gamble, Jepsen.
Don't think that will ever happen again at Iowa.
Every future Iowa recruiting class is playing for 2nd place.
and to date Fran has had 2 2nd round NBA picks and 2 that were picked up, remember those 5 did not graduate in 1 class, Lohaus also was drafted. my question how many really did much as FR.
BJ did this as a FR. 29 games played, 3 games started, mpg 8, 41 assists
don't use the SR results look at where each players started
JBo 175 assist set the All Time Record for assist by a Iowa FR and that included BJ and Ronnie, another note on JBo his 175 assist and 85+ made 3's makes him just 1 of 2 to do so in the last 25 years
Marble ended his career playing in Italy on a Euro team
Horton was a 2nd round NBA draft pick who played in 45 games in the only season he was in the NBA,
Gamble started his career with the CBA then was called up to the NBA when Bird got hurt yes did end up having a very good career if it wee not for a injury to Bird he would not have made it to the Pro's
Jepson played just 2 seasons.
Matt Bullard and Matt Bowen both played for 10+ years in the NBA
Baer = Boyle
Cook =/> than Horton
Garza = Jepson
FR JBo> than FR BJ and
FR JBo = to FR Ronnie
since Gamble was a transfer from a JUCO I will say that FR Moss > than FR
Gamble
I never judge the end product to a beginning product,
BJ did this as a FR. 29 games played, 3 games started, mpg 8, 41 assists
don't use the SR results look at where each players started
JBo 175 assist set the All Time Record for assist by a Iowa FR and that included BJ and Ronnie, another note on JBo his 175 assist and 85+ made 3's makes him just 1 of 2 to do so in the last 25 years
Marble ended his career playing in Italy on a Euro team
Horton was a 2nd round NBA draft pick who played in 45 games in the only season he was in the NBA,
Gamble started his career with the CBA then was called up to the NBA when Bird got hurt yes did end up having a very good career if it wee not for a injury to Bird he would not have made it to the Pro's
Jepson played just 2 seasons.
Matt Bullard and Matt Bowen both played for 10+ years in the NBA
Baer = Boyle
Cook =/> than Horton
Garza = Jepson
FR JBo> than FR BJ and
FR JBo = to FR Ronnie
since Gamble was a transfer from a JUCO I will say that FR Moss > than FR
Gamble
I never judge the end product to a beginning product,
not sure why so many doubt these kids ability as it seems like some of you don't these player to be better than that group. are some of you still got this love affair for Ravelling that you don't want Fran to succeed or recruit better players than Ravelling?
Fr Jbo = Fr Ronnie Lester..... No sir !!!
Stats be whatever..... Lester is/ was the better basketball player.
I'm very impressed with Jordan Bohannon and believe he will be very good to great player, but No sir, Lester better !!!
And I love what JBo has done and expect he will improve too and in no way do I have any criticism, but Lester was the best Hawkeye and one of the best players I have ever seen!
Ps never saw Freddie Brown or Connie Hawkins play at Iowa
Stats be whatever..... Lester is/ was the better basketball player.
I'm very impressed with Jordan Bohannon and believe he will be very good to great player, but No sir, Lester better !!!
And I love what JBo has done and expect he will improve too and in no way do I have any criticism, but Lester was the best Hawkeye and one of the best players I have ever seen!
Ps never saw Freddie Brown or Connie Hawkins play at Iowa
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