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Spencer and Gavin
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Nobody is upset with DeSanto...He went out and did what he had to do. If anything, based on his post match comments, he gained a few fans.
Still, people want to pretend this was a huge upset even given the circumstances. It's not necessarily the knee that stopped Spencer IMO but the inability to practice for a month. He was gassed. Even when he lost to Dayton, he never stopped attacking but the whole match, DeSanto was the aggressor...except for when he nearly fast crawled off the mat. My buddy said that he looked bad during the Anderson match...disinterested.
For all of you PA guys...ever seen Spencer wrestle like that? Even once? DeSanto played the hand that was given to him and he will always be known as THAT guy but this wasn't Gable and it sure wasn't Shute.
As for the clock...meh...it was really close and I'm good with the aggressor winning.
I was at Wells Fargo Arena when John Nicholson upset Derek St. John. Like Spencer Lee, Derek was ranked #1 in the country at his weight at the time. The crowd absolutely erupted. It was LOUD in there. Unless something happened that I am missing, I think any wrestling crowd would have reacted the same way as the PA crowd did.
Were people also booing and begging for stall calls vs DSJ??
Actually yes, some people were. And you know what? Who cares. People are going to root against the top ranked person/team in any sport. It comes with the territory. I doubt DSJ cared.
Respect to DeSanto for taking the challenge that he didn't have to, and for recognizing that, while he achieved his goal, it wasn't in the way he wanted it to be. He wrestled his ass off to get that last second TD, against Spencer, who, even hurt, is an excellent wrestler, as evidenced by making the Finals at all on a torn ACL. I wish DeSanto well and applaud him for taking a challenge that he very much did not need to, and for accomplishing his goal, but also having the maturity to realize what was happening. Hoping for a speedy Spencer recovery. This changes literally zero about my excitement for Spencer Lee as a Hawkeye, and I'm sure almost every Hawkeye fan agrees with me.
The reaction of a lot of people on the interwebz should be a pretty clear indication that people weren't JUST rooting for the underdog, there has been an almost gleeful reaction from a certain type of person. I'm sure that was part of it, but certainly not the whole.
EDIT: Also, give me Gavin Teasdale in my foxhole anytime.
The reaction of a lot of people on the interwebz should be a pretty clear indication that people weren't JUST rooting for the underdog, there has been an almost gleeful reaction from a certain type of person. I'm sure that was part of it, but certainly not the whole.
EDIT: Also, give me Gavin Teasdale in my foxhole anytime.
There was definitely a little District 3 resentment after the way the finals ended last year. After teching Desanto 15 - 0 Spencer smashed his face into the mat while making a muscle with the other arm after the whistle. I can see some folks being excited for Desanto , solely based on that. That said , it sucks that it happened due to an injury. Hopefully Spencer recovers quickly. Kid has an amazing future and will be an Olympic and NCAA champ.
I would have thought starting a thread implying fans from the most talent and tradition rich wrestling state in the country were cheering against a kid becuase he was committed to Iowa was beneath you, but you've been surprising me lately.
Lee is a PA legend and was cheered loudly when he got his medal. He is a warrior and hopefully heals fully. People were enjoying one of the best HS wrestling matches/upsets ever. Ffs you're better than this pathetic thread.
No one in PA, or anywhere, is scared or jealous of Iowa wrestling. Or Indiana basketball. Or Princeton football. No one cares. Get over yourselves.
Plenty of people are scared of Princeton football. Don't kid yourself.
Do you post on Indiana basketball or Princeton football boards? I'm guessing not. Wonder why? You don't need the Hawks approval - news flash.....Penn states pretty good at wrestling, enjoy it and don't worry if hawk fans don't worship the nittany lions.
Also buy a ticket to your state wrestling finals and support Pennsylvania hs wrestling. It's the best hs wrestling in the USA and the wrestlers deserve it. Pretty sad to see such "great" fans don't support hs wrestling. Maybe most nittany lion fans didn't realize hs wrestling has been invented yet since carl invented college wrestling only 6/7 years ago.
I think he was gonna redshirt anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if he defers enrollment while rehabbing and then have a full season of redshirt competition. IMO if anyone is a candidate for a grayshirt it's the kid that suffers a major injury months before he enters college.
I wasn't there (but been there a bunch over the years), and you may be a fine fellow and all, but just by reading what you wrote I can tell you're either making it up as you go or you're chock full of shit.
If you think an entire arena in Iowa are going to "erupt" in glee when a top ranked Iowa recruit loses during the Iowa State tournament, you've quite simply lost your mind.
Iowa State fans and John Nicholson's friends and relatives, sure, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest there were more Iowa Wrestling fans present in those seats than Cyclones and Nicholson's crew. And I assure you they weren't "cheering".
Defer enrollment, Redshirt, then Olympic redshirt for good measure. Should be healthy and big enough by then right
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No, I cheered for Dake because he did something that not even Carl did. 4 champs at 4 different weights. Bigger balls than anyone in my opinion.
Just my opinion.. not once have I ever 'erupted in glee'/cheered for an opposing teams recruit losing or an opposing teams wrestler losing in college, unless it was an Iowa recruit or Iowa wrestler knocking him off. I can appreciate a good underdog story as much as anyone (lord knows there are many of these in college, Robles, Moisey, Rohn, Owings etc..) , but not sure it would ever cause me, personally, to physically cheer for it. I would probably talk to those around me in shock about the upset, like "holy sh*t, that just happened", and clap for the good match.
I'm more concerned that anybody else that doesn't know any better believes what you're trying to sell. I'm gonna assume anyone with some common sense can figure it out.
I didn't say the place "erupted with glee." I said it erupted. And it did. People were excited because it was an exciting match. I don't understand why you are trying to argue with me.
Funny...i was there also and don't remember that happening. We must have been sitting in dfferent teams sections.
We must have been. And maybe the crowd around me was so loud because Nicholson was a local wrestler (Roosevelt). I really wasn't trying to upset anyone here, I was just trying to offer a different perspective.
Hey Chief, you know that I am a big fan of your posting. But, I wanted to say that your take on the crowd's reaction is wrong. Everyone loves an underdog. This loss by Lee was one of two of the greatest upsets in PA wrestling.
The other great upset was by Wade Schalles against John Chatman. Nobody gave Schalles a chance to win against a returning state champion. Just like nobody gave Lee's opponent a chance.
Now tell me after watching this video if you think the crowd was cheering against Chatman or rooting for the underdog? @Azchief32
Wasn't really my take on the crowd although a guy I know was there said Lee was taking a jeering. Probably a few assholes you know. My take is that I have read some that are gleeful and want to go the "no excuses" route and pretend that everything was even...it was not. I firmly believe that there is some anti Iowa bias built in. If Suriano gets beat in the first or second round, I'll know it's because he was injured...not that somehow, a decent D-1 wrestler that maybe Suriano has handled in the past somehow got better.
If it had been common knowledge that he was injured to the extent he was, expectations would have been lower.
I remember cheering for Bubba which was strange for me since I enoyed the thumpings that he took from Metcalf. Later I almost felt sorry for him as the beatings were almost embarassing.
I reallly enjoyed rooting for him later not from jelousy but for the fact that Carl and coaches ran Bubba out of Happy Valley and that he came back to take out a great Penn State wrestler. Again I was rooting for the underdog. It is normal to root for the underdog.
Expert here to voice an opinion - world renowned in my own mind ... super genius has been my nickname since birth, next in line for most interesting man in the world!
it's been almost 24hrs since the match, I've spent most of the day thinking about the underdog vs Goliath bouts that I've seen since 1983 at the PIAA Championships.
during the 1st round on Thursday, Eric Hong of North Allegheny ranked #2 in the USA at 160lbs was knocked off - the crowd, applauded the underdog, standing O! Big cheers for that wrestler ...
One of the earlier 4x champs, Matt Gerhard, was BOOO'd for an entire match vs Sam Bocchino in the semi's. Gerhard was in a knee brace, don't recall what the injury was or how severe. But the underdog was relentless and didn't get the victory, but the crowd gave the 4x a mixed applause during the awards ... ( so, this goes back 30+ years - I doubt it's the last time we see some cheers and jeers during a match )
Just to mention some recent stuff, for fun --- Cameron Coy won his 3rd PIAA AAA title, he got the standard applause, but no real emotion from the crowd. Workman like effort from Coy once again, nothing fancy - just wins
Most of the PA crowd has a "wrestler/team" to cheer for, it's not 10,000 true fans, it's 80% moms and dads watching their kids ...
... if you want to know the current "enemy in PA HS wrestling", listen to the crowd when a Bethlehem Catholic wrestler gets beat!
Crowd sizes, the Giant Center holds appox 13000 fans, PA AAA crowd is usually around 8000 ... the last SRO was at the old Barn ( Hersheypark Arena ), Cary Kolat was a SR, going for his perfect record/4th title ...
AND finally, the who's who were in attendance, Tom & Morningstar were there, Cael, Santoro, Zeke, and dozens more ... a few were even in the WINGS concession line!
it's been almost 24hrs since the match, I've spent most of the day thinking about the underdog vs Goliath bouts that I've seen since 1983 at the PIAA Championships.
during the 1st round on Thursday, Eric Hong of North Allegheny ranked #2 in the USA at 160lbs was knocked off - the crowd, applauded the underdog, standing O! Big cheers for that wrestler ...
One of the earlier 4x champs, Matt Gerhard, was BOOO'd for an entire match vs Sam Bocchino in the semi's. Gerhard was in a knee brace, don't recall what the injury was or how severe. But the underdog was relentless and didn't get the victory, but the crowd gave the 4x a mixed applause during the awards ... ( so, this goes back 30+ years - I doubt it's the last time we see some cheers and jeers during a match )
Just to mention some recent stuff, for fun --- Cameron Coy won his 3rd PIAA AAA title, he got the standard applause, but no real emotion from the crowd. Workman like effort from Coy once again, nothing fancy - just wins
Most of the PA crowd has a "wrestler/team" to cheer for, it's not 10,000 true fans, it's 80% moms and dads watching their kids ...
... if you want to know the current "enemy in PA HS wrestling", listen to the crowd when a Bethlehem Catholic wrestler gets beat!
Crowd sizes, the Giant Center holds appox 13000 fans, PA AAA crowd is usually around 8000 ... the last SRO was at the old Barn ( Hersheypark Arena ), Cary Kolat was a SR, going for his perfect record/4th title ...
AND finally, the who's who were in attendance, Tom & Morningstar were there, Cael, Santoro, Zeke, and dozens more ... a few were even in the WINGS concession line!
Bubba ran himself out of town. That alone discounts anything else you wrote.
I agree with you. When you can't keep up your conditioning it will kill you against the top guys. I'm going to use this same excuse if Suriano loses to Gilman in the finals at Nationals.....I mean as everyone obviously knows, Suriano closed the gap since their last meeting....
How is it that, everyone, knows suriano has closed the gap? More likely after seeing suriano once it's gilman who has increased the gap.I agree with you. When you can't keep up your conditioning it will kill you against the top guys. I'm going to use this same excuse if Suriano loses to Gilman in the finals at Nationals.....I mean as everyone obviously knows, Suriano closed the gap since their last meeting....
But he didn't run himself out of town to any other DI Wrestling University he wanted to attend now did he?
You don't get to choose your new school when you try to screw your old one. If Iowa was PSU, you'd be saying the same thing. You can't let the wrestlers dictate how the team is coached.
I agree with you. When you can't keep up your conditioning it will kill you against the top guys. I'm going to use this same excuse if Suriano loses to Gilman in the finals at Nationals.....I mean as everyone obviously knows, Suriano closed the gap since their last meeting....
Seen a few of that too...The "Bad luck for Suriano because I think he could have taken out Gilman" theme.
Goldbanger...I was shocked with the DT pin plus it being PSU's first year of success meant I didn't really cheer. Plus, I hadn't had any real interaction with PSU fans
So the schaedenfruede wasn't there yet. I cheered DT on against Dake.
Sorry, that argument won't wash here. Steve Mocco (cough, cough, Okie State, cough, cough).
And Steve Mocco wasn't Bubba Jenkins, if you catch my drift.
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