Your question was hypothetical about what it would look like without NIL. Without the big NIL offers, there would be no Parco or Teemer, so it would be an easy call to let Estrada go (probably at 149).
Decision to pull Estrada’s redshirt
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He was a pretty highly ranked recruit, wasn't he? Was he lower than either Voinovich on the big board?
So we'll have 8th year covid guys and guys who are locked in at 5 years. No issues there at all.
We get a lot of those around here...
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Hard to say what would have happened as the recruiting landscape would be much different. Could have gone hard after a high schooler.
Willie had him both in the 60s. He finished 4th in Cali his senior year.
What I’m getting at is out of our top 5 wrestlers, 4 are NIL “purchases”. If we had to rely on TnT to recruit and develop talent we would be in SERIOUS trouble.
Dresser did the same thing with Herrera, they burned his sort when there was still a chance Yonger came back, partly because they think the 5-year thing will happen
Other than a scant few exceptions, there won't be athletes left with Covid years after next season.
Thankfully! We'll have one depending on how things settle with our lineup next year.
Just wondering how strict the 5 year thing will be. So far the NCAA has been toothless when it comes to any sort of limitations since NIL and the portal blew up.
Nah,KD knew he was just not letting info out about Yonger med before Herrera 5th.
It’s not as simple as transfers = NIL purchases and HS kids are recruited. NIL $ is going to any big signing. It’s not just Iowa and its not as much as at least one blowhard on X tries to make people believer.
Voino squared, Block, Rathjen, and Estrada. They are all around the same tier rt now. 5 guys, 2 weights
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Hopefully we can find some more logs to add to the jam from the portal.
5 guys who’ve never been on the podium and weren’t blue chip recruits.
You and I have vastly different definitions of log jam.
“Coach I’m ready to go.”
“That’s great Miguel but we need to break something to you. You see, if you wrestle tonight against Maryland you won’t be able to wrestle for us at Nationals in 2028. That’s a price we’re not willing to pay.”
“Wait. What? We talked about this. I’ve wanted to wrestle for Iowa my whole life. Wrestling in Carver that first time was one of the best moments of my life. I’m ready to do whatever if you think it’s best for the team but I’m ready to go.”
“Sorry. Our message boards have been very clear about this. We don’t need you enjoying the glory of wrestling anymore for Iowa as a true freshman. We need you riding the pine tree just in case we have a slot for you in 2028 or 2029 that will decide that national title for us. This isn’t about you. It’s about the team. In 2028. Or 2029. Maybe.”
“That’s great Miguel but we need to break something to you. You see, if you wrestle tonight against Maryland you won’t be able to wrestle for us at Nationals in 2028. That’s a price we’re not willing to pay.”
“Wait. What? We talked about this. I’ve wanted to wrestle for Iowa my whole life. Wrestling in Carver that first time was one of the best moments of my life. I’m ready to do whatever if you think it’s best for the team but I’m ready to go.”
“Sorry. Our message boards have been very clear about this. We don’t need you enjoying the glory of wrestling anymore for Iowa as a true freshman. We need you riding the pine tree just in case we have a slot for you in 2028 or 2029 that will decide that national title for us. This isn’t about you. It’s about the team. In 2028. Or 2029. Maybe.”
No shit sherlock. Read the original post slowly and sound out the words which include "even w/o a NIL guy." You got this Spooner.
I think you missed the point. A bunch of guys hoping and praying to maybe have a shot at the podium is not a log jam. This is Iowa. That might be one at say an Iowa State but at Iowa it’s…
Then possibly using up a years eligibility really shouldn’t be the concern some are making it out to be either.I think you missed the point. A bunch of guys hoping and praying to maybe have a shot at the podium is not a log jam. This is Iowa. That might be one at say an Iowa State but at Iowa it’s…
IIRC didn’t some raised a stink in 22 when Cullen substituted in for DeSanto a match or two and effectively burned a year. It seems kinda silly now in retrospect.
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I think you missed the point. A bunch of guys hoping and praying to maybe have a shot at the podium is not a log jam. This is Iowa. That might be one at say an Iowa State but at Iowa it’s…
I didn't say anywhere that they were auto podium guys. You asked for an example of a logjam and there are 5 guys of around the same lvl/weight that will be going for 2 spots. If we don't get NIL guys, that will be the reality.
Well Voinovich beat him this year and Victor will likely get a medical for this year....Plus Bassett will likely be a 149 pounder at IOWA soon....so I'm guessing they think he is too short and small to make an impact at 157 right away. Plus the likelihood of a 5th year for all with no RS is likely to come to fruition. Hell y'all would have complained if TnT burned a year for Schriever or Peterson too but they aren't starting for 4 years and that's obvious.
With all due respect, the “log jam,” you speak of appears to be more of an indictment than a good problem to have, imo.
Exaclty. Now what PSU is going to have next year is very much a "log jam" at 133 and 157
133: Nagao/ Davis/ Blaze
157: Kasak/ Facundo/ Duke
But I'm sure it'll be all hunky dory and they'll figure it out like they always do.
I’ve made that point more than once.
But we’re Iowa. Our starter should look like a guy who’s going to be on the podium. This doesn’t look like a logjam to me. It looks like a hole.
Correct.....a hole with a logjam in it.
I think you missed the point. A bunch of guys hoping and praying to maybe have a shot at the podium is not a log jam. This is Iowa. That might be one at say an Iowa State but at Iowa it’s…
i think it’s a little shortsighted to act as if a guy’s true freshman year defines his entire career. either way, maybe i am overestimating estrada’s potential but to me he seems like a guy who has shown a higher ceiling than people maybe thought during his recruitment.
What kind of ceiling are u projecting off his resume this season? His one quality win if u call it that is Kraisser who has since plummeted in the rankings.
"IF my Aunt had BALLS she would be my Uncle" IOWA would be in a different situation YES, but so would F*** st, Oak st.... etc......
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Estrada to 149 COULD be a high level kid IOWA will need IF he can keep wrestle at the ability he has shown while managing a weight cut.
I am certainly HOPING that some of these others listed can also BREAK OUT, I just have not seen enough yet from them but that does NOT mean it can't happen!!!!
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It was in the context of whether Estrada coming out of redshirt is a big deal or not. I acknowledged that I liked Estrada's potential but that we have other guys around the same skill level. Estrada could shirt next year if he wanted to....especially if we brought in two NIL guys. I think competition for spots is a good thing and who knows what they will look like by next year...especially the true freshmen.
thank you. i don’t understand how that is a minority opinion around here.
Burning a redshirt is not always necessarily only the decision of the Coach. Some kids don't care to stay in college 5 years. Maybe the kid wants to do his 4 years, get his degree and then ride off into the sunset... I don't know how or why the decision was made. I don't have any inside information but perhaps Mr. Estrada intends to only be in college 4 years in which case maybe it isn't a big deal to him to burn it...
I don’t think if you polled people they wouldnt think it was a head scratcher. I agree outwardly looking in. You created this thread and are taking the stance they aren’t doing right by Estrada and taking away his future opportunity. Basically screwing him over for one dual. We are disagreeing with you regarding this.
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