Actually there have been many times that a guy lost 2 and only won in the conference final and got seeded over that guy. It does not seem to make sense but they put a lot of weight into winning the conf. and the old what have you done lately thing.
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Actually there have been many times that a guy lost 2 and only won in the conference final and got seeded over that guy. It does not seem to make sense but they put a lot of weight into winning the conf. and the old what have you done lately thing.
Sorry if it’s already been stated, but I think this was a mistake for Brands. The match at midlands was clearly a win with strategy. Had that match been won on a strange call, or fluke takedown, then by all means sit until your healthy. However, there was nothing to lose and an opportunity to employ your own strategy. He was beat on his feet. If the stamina isn’t there and he fades late, big deal. Give lee an opportunity in the first period to make adjustments from the previous match. I do believe he wins in March, but it would suck to see him lose by being unprepared.
but that is not what is being said on this board--its all talk about Mono like illness- smells fishy to me Friday had a low level kid and he wrestled--but couldn't go Sunday with a tougher kid--dont act like Spencer just came down with the flu Saturday morning.
What happened to smash mouth tough Iowa wrestling---Brands is only hurting Iowa and future recruits. Whats the excuse for 157
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Thanks for your PSU fan perspective and for sharing your opinion. Great contribution.
It is not that Spencer "won't" or "didn't want to", it's that he CAN'T right now. The matches against "lesser" competition are to get some mat time in. He is unable to go full on right now in the manner needed to take on tier one guys. We should see the real Spencer come March.
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Exactly, but this concept is impossible for many to understand sadly.
PSU fan. What about that is PSU? Didn’t realize there was a vetting process to discuss wrestling. Is there a secret handshake or a background check? I’m a wrestling fan and have followed this board to get some insight on the kids I watched for years. I guess posting is not acceptable.
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This board has seen a huge influx of trolls in the past few months, many of them clearly PSU fans or with PSU related usernames. You screen name and post (first thing you post here is a criticism of Brands) fit that bill. These trolls don't reflect well on your fanbase and it's sometimes difficult to filter out the trolls from the regular fans.
You are clueless. Facts much more solid than you spouting off have been presented in regards to this situation.
Fair enough. To clarify, I do have a bias towards PA wrestlers. I made that post because I thought Lee and Rivera had some similarities to Micic and Desanto last year. Micic made the adjustments to the heavy tie and was successful in the rematch. Just thought it was a perfect opportunity to see what adjustments were made in this rematch. I get that the coaching staff has a difficult time in having wrestlers peak at the right time, especially throwing in injuries/illness.
Wrong. An opponent’s strategy means little when Spencer is at 100%. And SL has been nowhere near 100% this entire season. Deal with it. We have...
Yes, if only there were another opportunity for Lee to wrestle Rivera prior to NCAAs while he could be healthier and work on a new match strategy ..... oh wait...
The one who has the most to game will want exposure, the one who has the most to lose will want to keep the exposure to a minimum. I assume Spencer believes it is at his disadvantage to give Rivera more experience with his tilts, hand strength and other intangibles and Lee knows he just needs to improve his head hands defense.
Some people on this board... not yourself.... they will be 1 and 2 in Big Tens and 1-2 at Nationals. While I can understand WHY people would be upset of not seeing the match up, they certainly have to UNDERSTAND the thought process behind it. Get Spencer 100%, clobber Riv at Big Tens and destroy him at Nationals.
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I have been around Iowa wrestling for over thirty years and in my opinion Spencer Lee is the most dominant wrestler I have ever seen and to hear all you "concerned" fans think he is 100% is pathetic! No offense to Rivera but he is no match for a healthy Spencer Lee!! Thanks for your concern though.
I disagree.
I think the team thinks it’s disadvantageous to have SL wrestle Rivera when he’s at far less than full strength and conditioning.
With both wrestlers healthy and in shape, the match isn’t really close, imo. SL is the better wrestler.
This was a much better post in my opinion. I have to add, though, that Micic was injured the first time he wrestled AD and had it not been for that, I think Stevan wins the match despite not having familiarity. Micic is very, very good. Not discrediting desanto because I too am a PA boy but the fact remains. I think Lee has something special built up for Rivera. I just wish they only had to wrestle one more time this year and I could bet the house on Lee in a rematch at NCAA’s. Let’s not forget about Picc or Bresser who I believe only lost 6-4 to Rivera this year? I could actually see an upset of Mr Rivera happening before the matchup to derail my bet...time will tell. 125 isn’t the soft spot most thought it would be behind Spencer. Throw in Glory, moisey and foley with a few others and all of a sudden it’s a decent weights class to watch.
If Lee wasn’t going to go, wouldn’t it be a solid to announce it? Maybe Rivera then doesn’t have to make weight. Maybe some kids who are Spencer Lee fans went just because of that match. Seems like a decent thing to do.
If Spencer hadn’t been 100% this whole season what makes you think he’ll be 100% by March? Wouldn’t it be better to wrestle and learn to “deal with it” and wrestle tough competition rather than showing up at Big 10s and Nationals hoping he’ll be able to do it?
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Give that advice to Tom. Let me know what his response to you is.
No. Why give your opponent a day off? Make him sweat it right until weigh ins.
No need to apologize for your tone. Some of these trolls need to be lit up. I felt like saying Amen!
If only he had a chance to roll with really good wrestlers every day to see how he's progressing...
With that logic why put him out on the mat friday night? He can just get mat time in the room.
Not to mention Young sat out after wrestling Friday simply to avoid another loss. You guys can rationalize all you want but when you cherry pick the schedule and only have your guys wrestle those they can beat, that's ducking, period. end of discussion. Brands has now done this with multiple wrestlers, multiple times. It's becoming systematic and no, other coaches are not doing this to anywhere near the degree Iowa is.
As far as Lee's health, I'm sure the only way many of you will say he is back to 100% is IF he beat Rivera and wins an NCAA Championship. It's obvious there is no way you will admit this prior to the matchup and risk a loss with no excuse. Heck, he just destroyed the #12 wrestler in the country, yet he incapable of going on Sunday against Rivera, please!
As far as Lee's health, I'm sure the only way many of you will say he is back to 100% is IF he beat Rivera and wins an NCAA Championship. It's obvious there is no way you will admit this prior to the matchup and risk a loss with no excuse. Heck, he just destroyed the #12 wrestler in the country, yet he incapable of going on Sunday against Rivera, please!
Spencer wasn't the top seed
I don't think Young sat to avoid a loss. I honestly think they were giving Glosser a look, because Glosser had beaten the wrestler twice this year that Kaleb had just lost to. As far as Lee, I am certain that a wrestler that won the NCAA title and has also won 3 age group world titles etc., is not ducking anyone. Like I said in another post, who knows what was going on and why. It is certain that Lee is showing progress and looked better than a week ago, so whatever he's been battling is apparently being put behind him. I thought he looked much better, but maybe whatever he was nursing was tweaked on Friday. Who knows. You have a World Champ an Olympic Gold medalist and two guys with 5 NCAA titles between them in his corner making those decisions. They are not worried about pleasing you or the media. Look at Stoll, he is coming on strong and looked great as well, so whatever their plan has been, although highly criticized, is working. Sit back, watch and cheer us on as we make a post season run. I know you must be a big Hawkeye fan.
He literally just chose (well, sounds like Tom did the coosing) to not wrestle the one guy ranked ahead of him who also has a win over him. If it walks, talks and acts like a duck and all that...
You really think the coaching staff was giving Glosser a look to see if he should be the starter? Young is ranked 5th in the country. There is no way Brands is going to bench him in favor of Glosser. Stoll coming on strong? Being from Minnesota I hope he can have a great tournament and finish high on the podium but he hasn't wrestled anyone so of course he's going to look alright. You are reaching a bit on these.
Let me be clear, given the opportunity, I'm sure Spencer Lee would of gladly wrestled on Sunday.
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Absolutely, this has to be awful for him. He's trained his whole life to be a 4x NCAA champ and Olympic gold medalist. To have a random illness (assuming that's what's happening) put those goals in jeopardy has to be horrible. Not to mention seeing his name dragged through the mud. I was browsing through YouTube looking for videos last night, and the stuff that is suddenly out there about him is horrifying.
My biggest pain in this isn't for myself as a fan, but for the kid who's going through it.
Maybe if they do what you suggest instead of managing his recovery the additional stress of making weight prolongs his peak which everybody wants to see in March.
Were you at wrestle-offs? Young won in an OT scramble. Glosser isn't a slouch and is maybe a half-step behind Young. If Glosser was the guy this year, I would bet he'd be top 10, so don't act like Young was benched for a room guy that will never see the mat except at Loras or Dubuque opens.
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This. And Glosser was about to score a TD to bring the score within 1 pt with about a minute left until that ref bailed out Deakin with that PD call.
